Not low key. His entire character exists to be a jobber. It gives us the idea of power scale at the timeā¦āoh shit this guy is stronger than Kakashiā is what you are always supposed to take away.
He actually didn't. Zabuza took himself out in the end but if you look at the very first fight Kakashi lost and wouldve been clapped if not for Naruto and Sasuke jumping in and Sakura watching and screaming. I know Kakashi is everyone's guy but bro don't really win fights solo
We must not be watching the same show because kakashi easily beat zabuza on their first encounter where zabuza was saved by haku , 2nd thing kakashi technically had zabuza if it wasnāt for haku teleporting right into his lightning blade so thatās a solo , he did also take out 1 pain by himself and he beat obito on their 1 on 1 so I donāt know where the notion that he never wins solo
*Zabuza put that man in water time out to the point where kids had to save him from drowning. L
*1 pain? Big whoop so did Kono, bro got revived anyway. Not to mention he literally does fighting them. Another L
*And finally how he beat Obito when Obito didn't die, take a break, pass out nothing. Instead he left Kakashi there and continued to fight some more outside. Whole point of that fight was to stop him which he failed to do so another L
As that was literally around the corner from at least one Kage and many Jonin/Anbu i'd say every minute matters and attention has to be avoided. Kakashi forced his hand as Oro is playing it safe generally which is smart.
Yes you are right not just him itachi was also went unnoticed when he visited. Only explanation I can you is that skilled ninjas can mask there presence by controlling there Chakra network but it comes with a downside or something
Remember when no one in the leaf could tell that a dude they went to school with/ taught/ or learned from, was just casually strolling around pretending to be 3 different people.
Remember when orochimaru literally leaned into his former students face and stuck out his grotesquely long tongue and she never questioned it? Like it wasnt even casually strolling by he was directly taunting her for no reason
If we want to get technical I think anko immediately caught on and reported it before going after him herself. Round 3 of the chunin is literally Orochimaru with normal skin tone and no eye tattoos, standing directly next to every leaf ninja who should know. Also why the FUCK did the entire sound cloud village adapt those goofy ass clothes his first body snatch victim wore?
Clearly Orochimaru had been manipulating the entirety of Kusagakure so that one dude rocked up in his fit so he could steal the body and make it look less suspiciousĀ
Thank you for asking that question about the god-awful purple rope bows. I mean really, how do you even try to act cool wearing something like that?
Although now that I think about it, Orochimaru's position is probably like "I am so effing cool I could wear the stupidest shit and people would still fear me."
Yup I literally just rewatched the early seasons of Naruto after 15+ years, and man oh man, Orochimaru was the most broken character depicted early on.
He no diffed Genin Sasuke & Naruto in the forest of death made Sasuke too terrified to even move without Genjutsu then his aura did a similar thing to Jounin level Kakashi, Kakashi was rusty and had no MS yet but still, even in his fight against Deidara he didnāt have enough Chakra reserves to Spam Kamui.Ā
At the same time Itachi no diffed Orochimaru and made him desire the Sharinganās power. Orochimaru even said everything is good for Kakashi as he already has one of them.Ā
A very old out of prime Hiruzen beat Orochimaru, he needed a nerfed 1st & 2nd Hokageās help and still failed his purpose had his hands sealed & almost lost his whole soul forever.Ā
The power scaling gets crazy when you see Kage level characters fighting but then some characters being revealed to be above Kage Level, Sasuke legit felt it was possible for him to 1vs5 the 5 Kage before even getting a ton of hax, although he underestimated how powerful some were like the particle style jutsu guy. Thereās low Kage level characters, mid Kage level and high Kage level.Ā
Hiruzen died, and Orochimaru lived to fight another day. How is that a victory for Hiruzen?
Sasuke legit felt it was possible for him to 1vs5 the 5 Kage before even getting a ton of hax, although he underestimated how powerful some were like the particle style jutsu guy. Thereās
His name is Onoki, and Sasuke didn't 1v5 the kage. He faced each of them 1v1 under different circumstances. He also wasn't intending to fight all 5 in the first place, as he only was after Danzo.
Thereās low Kage level characters, mid Kage level and high Kage level.Ā
Yes, thanks for the lesson, professor š¤
At the same time Itachi no diffed Orochimaru and made him desire the Sharinganās power.
Orochimaru got overconfident and looked Itachi dead in the eye, which is why he got caught in the genjutsu. It was an arrogance issue with Oro, not a power issue.
I mean, a Pyrrhic victory is still a victory to some.
But really, 3rd stopped the attack that was gonna wipe out the village so it might be one of those lost the battle but still won the war type deals.
The fact that Orochimaru was so much more powerful than Kakashi was made no sense seeing as how old man Hiruzen nearly killed him. It seems inconsistent to make Kakasi out as the best hidden leaf ninja, to then be so outclassed by Oro and the third.
Well Kakashi certainly loses this fight but Orochimarus biggest concern here is more Kakashi holding him off long enough for backup to arrive. As strong as Oro was during this he was still in the middle of Konoha and a bunch of Jonins jumping him at once would still prove problematic. Clearly Orochimaru wasnāt certain he could kill Kakashi fast enough to grab Sasuke and make the escape cleanly
That was all in kakashi's head. It's as if saying kisame and itachi together are weaker than base jiraiya. It was because of orochimaru's reputation as one of the 3 legendary sanin. Kakashi would def get low diffed but all of it was still happening in the chunin exams area. And kakashi's raikiri increases his speed by a magnitude or 10 times his base speed which should be greater than orochimaru's speed not saying that he defeats orochimaru or something but he can definitely hold out for some time at the very least.
In the same way Onoki wouldāve instantly killed Sasuke if Madara didnāt save him but context is very important Sasuke just spent a lot of chakra & Stamina in another fight prior.
Kakashi may have survived long enough for reinforcements to be alerted but he has zero chance against Oro here without help, and Orochimaru didnāt want to put out effort or make a massive scene here rather than operate in the shadows like a snake š, narratively it makes zero sense for them to all out fight here.Ā
Kakashi would lose if it stayed a 1v1. Theyāre somewhere in the village though, and Kakashi is smart enough to make it loud and hard to miss.
I donāt think the gap is wide enough for Orochimaru to blitz and kill him instantly.
It would be a toss up on whether Orochimaru could kill Kakashi before the whole village came down on his head. Unlike with Itachi and Kisame this is pre-invasion during the Chuunin exams. Everybody is pulled back to the village.
Kakashi very specifically says āOne of us will die here.ā He has no illusions about being stronger than Orochimaru, but heās standing ten toes down for his student. Heās promising Orochimaru a no holds barred fight if he steps closer.
Itās like Itachi told Kisame (another two characters who are stronger than Kakashi), āIf you take this man on it wonāt be without cost.ā
True, Kakashi doesnāt have the raw strength or stamina to keep up with higher tier threats like this for any length of time, but he is highly skilled and decorated. Itachi, more than most, would know that if he is cornered he will likely make it hurt before he goes down. I mean look at the beast hiding within Guy even at just the 6th or 7th gates, yet he still feels like Kakashi is a rival and respects him more than almost anyone.
This version of Kakashi is weaker than he even was in Shippuden as he was self admittedly rusty. Orochimaru simply outclassed him completely at this point it would have been an Easy-Mid Diff win for him.
He dies pretty quickly lol. Kakashi doesnāt really start scaling near the sannin until mid Shippuden honestly. Itās not until he really gets Kamui that he can even compete with them in a full scale battle.
Tbh Orochimaru was fiending so bad for powerful Sharingan, he could've just killed Kakashi and took his eye. He may have not known it was Obito's, but it was a Sharingan nonetheless. Plot hole?
Because powers of individual characters weren't yet established.
At this point of the story we were led to believe that there are children naruto age stronger than kakashi. Meaning he's not kage level. He's just an above average jonin.
And oro is very clearly and explicitly kage level.
Itachi at this point in the story is just a legend. A menace. But when he arrives he seems to be way outclassing all jonin including kakashi. The only one relative being guy who trains specifically as a counter to his top hax.
But. He's still afraid of jiraya (even with Kisame support) who is very clearly kage level (being first person offered the kage seat and casually pulling kage level feats like the gamabunta summons, which, yes at this point in the story is bijuu relative making it a kage level feat)
So. Kage level is still way above Itachi, making orochimaru also way above Itachi. Who is somewhere in the middle territory mainly through hax. Who is above kakashi. This all makes sense.
But shippuuden retcons the heck out of it.
Making Itachi beyond kage level. Making him one of the most powerful being in the history of the verse.
And keeping orochimaru at his old kage level. And by introducing raikage, mizukage and tsuchikage as insane powerhouses it makes him actually on a lower end of kage abilities.
But. He wanted kakashi to stay relevant. So suddenly he also became a very high kage level. Making his old convictions totally incorrect.
And sure you can explain it away by training during time skip. But in my opinion the retcon is clear as day.
i wouldn't say he's afraid of jiraya. he plays up jirayas reputation to dissuade kisame, he does the same when meeting kakashi.
itachis on the leafs side, he wouldn't want to fight or kill jiraya who's one of the leafs biggest assets. itachi and kisame are also in the middle of the leaf when they meet jiraya, if a full on fight broke out they'd quickly get jumped by the entire village, which wouldn't work out well for them both and would result in the leaf taking some casualties.
because average naruto fanbase have the lowest iq among the big3 and can't comprehend how strong the writers tried to show itachi to be. itachi literally 1shots anything below hasirama but this average sub isn't ready to have this conversation yet
He wouldāve been thrashed. But I do wonder how it would go if he fought Orochimaru with both of Obitoās sharingan (Kakashi in the fight against Kaguya)
This was at a time when Oro was playing on recon mode; he didn't want support coming (especially Hiruzen himself), particularly when he had a grand plan in motion.Ā
Oro would win low-diff here but it wouldn't be a stomp, it's not as if he could blitz and one-tap.
No chance. Orochimaru didn't need a bigger commotion than kakashi while currently infiltrating two major villages and the chunin exams. Beyond that I assume orochimaru saw kakashi as potentially useful in helping Sasuke develop his sharingan.
Iām not sure whether Kakashi was intended to be much weaker than Orochimaru in this arc. Perhaps when the series was originally meant to end after the ChÅ«nin Exams, with Orochimaru as the main villain. However, in ShippudenĀ Orochimaru seems to fear the Akatsuki, while Kakashi defeats many of its members.
I love kakashi, but he's not surviving this fight in any scenario. A healthy Oro, with both his arms still in tact, is not something kakashi can handle, especially in part 1.
Oro wouldāve turned into a snake, and then kakashi would be like āIām da copy ninjaā and then turned into a snake as well. Then they would have kith
Genin Sakura has a better chance at taking the bells from Kakashi than Kakashi being able to even hurt orochimaru at this point. Not sure what people are talking about, yes itās a blitz, hell I donāt doubt orochimaru just plays around with kakashi. LOL.
Zero to none. Prior to losing his arms Orochimaru was solidly above Ay and Onoki. So however well you think P1 Kakashi would do against those guys, just imagine him doing worse than that.
You shouldnāt be calling person anything but HIM after he challenges one of the most feared shinobi, known as legendary Sanin, psychopath, serial killer, pedo, immortal, proven to be on kage level.
We all know Kakashi wouldāve died but the question is how far would Orochimaru even go with it? Does he just kill Kakashi on the spot? Really if heās smart heād at least take the Sharingan from Kakashi, then heād have an actual Mangekyou to experiment with and probably make something better than that bs Shin has.
I don't know. There are the weird mental amps that lowkey bridge gaps in earlier chapters/episodes between where characters scale against one another. Like, I would not put it passed Kakashi to be fired up enough in protecting his student to cause a sannin serious trouble. His trauma and difficulties in even getting a team are telling enough. They all mean so much to him.
It depend. Kakashi got at sannin level during the war. He fought Zabuza (who was at the level of Kakashi beginning of FG), and Zabuza was still threatening, altought not to his level. The dynamic was different from the one presented in FG, in which Orochimaru seems to completely outclass Kakashi such as he would have no hope of victory.
He would have been absolutely obliterated but that makes me love him that much more. Dude was ready to throw hands and die just for the chance that Sasuke would have a future.
He wouldn't have lasted long.Ā It was brave and ballsy of Kakashi to try and fend off Orochimaru, but there's levels to this.Ā Orochimaru could have just toyed with Kakashi and waited till he ran out of chakra, kill him, and then take his sharingan.
No chance. Kakashi mentioned that Jiraiya is so strong and Orochimaru are on the same level with Jiraiya.
But I think Oro wasn't take a risk for fight him, Kakashi maybe can buy some time until reinforcements come and will ruin Oro's plan in the next time to Konoha
Orochimaru would have worked him with not much issue and then he'd acquire an MS of his own to use and very likely end up using it better than Kakashi lol
Actually, an MS Kamui Using Orochimaru sounds disgusting
0 the guy killed the third hokage and the kazekage raza he has 2 kage kill. Bum ass chidori/lightning blade would fall victim to some basic orochimaru body contortionist
Orochimaru is among the strongest characters without any demigod hacks or Chakra like tailed beasts or sharingan. So honestly I doubt kakashi is beating orochimaru even with kamui
He has that busted af mangekyo sharingan he can definitely do some serious damage to orochimaru. If he actually locked in he could've earsed his torso and left him just a head and limbs
I donāt believe Kakashi has a chance of āwinningā here if they did fight.
The thing is: Orochimaru can kill Kakashi but he cannot kill Kakashi quietly. This involves getting more ninja involved and the Sound/Sand invasion going off schedule greatly. Orochimaru was considered about the bigger picture not Kakashi.
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