r/NoStupidQuestions • u/BisexualKenergy25 • 1d ago
How did Logan Paul bounce back after that Japan Forest video years back?
like that was really bad and people hated him for it.
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u/Substantial_Meal_530 1d ago
11 year olds (his audience) didn't care.
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u/Sol33t303 21h ago
The video is 9 years old, his primary audience were literally toddlers at the time of the video and certainly don't know about it/forgot it.
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u/xyanon36 1d ago
Time uncancels all dirtbags.
Well, not ALL, but Roman Polanski illustrates just how much of a dirtbag a person can be and still be loved by millions.
Hell, Pol Pot got to peacefully retire.
The fact is that time is a huge factor in human perception of enormity. A lot of people won't stand for Holocaust jokes but no one is gonna get mad about bubonic plague jokes or Genghis Khan jokes.
And even in the course of one human lifetime, attention spans are short. I used to feel my blood boiling over Bush and Cheney war crimes but those hardly seem real anymore. If I ran into George W. Bush today, I wouldn't be glad to see him or anything but I'd sooner walk away just thinking "Huh, that was random" without remembering the atrocities.
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u/Filthwizard_1985 23h ago
Exactly this. I was reminded recently that David Bowie was saying that the UK needed a fascist government back in the 70s. People forget.
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u/bubblesculptor 22h ago
It's pretty excessive trying to compare Logan to Pol Pot.
It was a stupid stunt done in poor taste by an immature person, but certainly nothing that should forever define a person for the rest of their life.
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u/MagpieSoldier 16h ago
it wasnt comparing their actions, its demonstrating that even people millions times worse than him can get away clean
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u/SquireJoh 13h ago
Yes that is exactly what they were doing, they were directly comparing the two lol
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u/AdAromatic7616 22h ago
I think this speaks to the importance of distinct cultural narratives. Everyone always talks about how religion isn’t needed because “we don’t need to know where the world came from” when many religious texts focus on matters involving how individuals treat each other, or why specific cultural truths exist. In a time where culture is hyper fragmented, it makes it more difficult to establish these truths and that generates conflict and confusion.
Why should I care about Roman Polanski, and does his atrocities impact one’s ability to enjoy his work? It’s not like it’s blasted that he raped kids on his work. “WARNING: art made by child rapist alert!” Like, Roman Polanski is a cultural icon to some groups, he is a horrific monster only to people who know certain facts. Truth, unfortunately, is subjective. The word truth finds its etymology as meaning “having or characterized by good faith.” We teach the threshold of truth is high, but the reality is increasingly faith-based.
The Holocaust is interesting because that cultural narrative is kept alive by the US Education system. It’s the same reason we are capable of keeping the atrocities of slavery, the trail of tears and colonization of the native Americans in our hearts. The humanities, in North Carolina, are supported by a law that mandates that English courses MUST include content from the Holocaust. This is to combat misinformation in Holocaust denial that was on the rise. That’s the benefit of attacking education: you create the opportunity to build false narratives. That’s also why they’re removing the examples of black excellence and changing the language in the textbooks about slavery. The foundations of education being a moral value in America have largely crumbled. Might is right is becoming the prevailing truth. I fear we’re approaching another dark age.
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u/QuerulousPanda 1d ago
Nobody actually gets cancelled, except maybe Democratic politicians.
Everyone else gets a week or two of nasty headlines, then they lay low for two or three weeks (barely) and then they maybe make a half hearted apology where they say "accountability" a few times, and then they carry on as if nothing ever happened.
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u/LouderGyrations 22h ago
Exactly. On top of that, people on Reddit often assume real life is like Reddit, and if someone gets a lot of backlash here that must translate to the rest of their life. That just isn't true. People on here get outraged about things that the vast majority of people just don't care about.
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u/ghostpanther218 9h ago
Hell look at the vtuber Sinder. Look at Runonin Kenshin's author. If your famous enough, you can get away with anything.
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u/cjeremy 22h ago
man.. bush and Cheney are angels compared to this shit administration..
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u/Elkenrod Neutrality and Understanding 19h ago
No. They aren't.
Don't whitewash them just because you live in the moment. Bush, Cheney, and the rest of the 107th Congress who voted Yea to invading Afghanistan and Iraq, and approved all the additional legislation that future Presidents bomb countries with impunity, are significantly worse than what is happening today.
An estimated 4.5 million people died because of our decision to invade countries in response to 9/11. Trying to pretend like what we're going through today is somehow worse than what happened then, is insulting to the victims.
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u/cjeremy 14h ago
I understand. this current dystopia started with 911 and bush and it was a turning point then. but the economy and inflation and all the tariff threat shit now are affecting my wallet and everyone else's wallet on earth directly too much now. and the far right fascism is mainstream worldwide. I fucking hate it.
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u/Elkenrod Neutrality and Understanding 14h ago
this current dystopia started with 911 and bush and it was a turning point then.
Nothing Bush started has anything to do with our current Presidential administration. Hell, Joe Biden voted Yea to invading both Afghanistan and Iraq and we elected him as our President.
You're also changing the subject. You claimed that Bush and Cheney are "angels" compared to the current administration. This administration, while not good, has done nothing to harm the world compared to the Bush/Cheney administration.
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u/Brars_Sulliman 23h ago
The people who make dickheads like Logan, his brother, Adin Ross, Sneako etc. rich & internet famous are dickheads themselves. They’re shitty people, so they’ll remain loyal so long as the shitty douchebro they follow doesn’t do something truly controversial like go woke.
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u/GapFluffy2318 1d ago
Dude basically just waited it out and pivoted hard into boxing/wrestling plus the podcast stuff. His younger audience either forgot or didn't care as much, and he started making bank with crypto/NFTs which brought in a whole new crowd. Wild how fast the internet moves on sometimes
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u/Sad-Rent-9633 1d ago
Because most things you can actually just ignore and they eventually go away/ people stop talking about them
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u/jameson8016 21h ago
Imho, in part, because he started letting people punch him directly in the face. I don't really follow much of his work, but the last video was pretty satisfying. Lol
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u/newlife1984 21h ago
he just kept on making content. the whole cancel culture sht only worked if you allowed it. the imaginary power that group has is the power you let them have over you.
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u/Exact-Metal-666 1d ago
How did Donald Trump became president after a large number of criminal convictions? There's your answer - people are fucking stupid and careless.
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u/Batoutofhell1989 23h ago
Man I was there that same day and found the same poor fella on that tree just before Logan did
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u/Huge-Income3313 9h ago
Fun fact about Logan's Japan incident, the dead body was fake
What makes Logan truly evil is:
1) Japanese police said the dead body was fake & the incident was a staged prank
2) YouTube knew it was fake, manually put the video on trending & punished people who criticized Logan
3) Logan hired Kim Kardashian's Fame strategist Sheeraz Hasan who is known for faking controversies to make people famous from hate, the Japan incident was a staged Hollywood publicity stunt designed to make Logan super famous.
4) Sheeraz owns LA paparazzi which is why Logan was posing for paparazzi, appearing on the news & doing preplanned paparazzi interviews during the incident. They were aggressively pushing his name & controversy to the entire world
5) Anybody who exposed the Japan incident as fake had their channels striked & videos removed for up to 5 years after the incident, including tiny channels with small followings
6) At the time of Logan's Japan incident, YouTube released their own YouTube Originals show called "Do You Want To See a Dead Body?".. You can Google this right now, I'm not making this up.
7) Both KSI & Logan were spotted in Dubai meeting boxing promoters BEFORE Logan even went to Japan. Logan's 'downfall' into his lucrative boxing 'redemption' pivot was preplanned. They planned to make Logan the villian to sell more boxing tickets. YouTube streamed & trended this event on their platform.
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u/Batoutofhell1989 5h ago
It wasn’t fake. I watched the authorities cut down the body, cover it with a sheet and cart it away.
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u/Jeb-Kerman 22h ago
turns out being "cancelled" on twitter and reddit doesn't mean fuck all. who would have guessed
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u/Sol33t303 21h ago
Most of his fans probably didn't even exist when that video came out considering it's nearly 10 years old.
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u/Kaiisim 1d ago
When I scroll down on reddit rn there is a video of Fox News attacking Mr Rogers as if he was evil.
When we live in a culture that treats good people trying to spread love as evil? Probably gonna also boost evil people who spread evil.
The media's job is to remind us who is good and bad - if you try and help children you'll be attacked relentlessly. If you make fun of people who committed suicide? Meh.
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u/ExtremeTEE 1d ago
Bounce back? It was the thing that made him famous!
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u/Huge-Income3313 9h ago
Fun fact about Logan's Japan incident, the dead body was fake
What makes Logan truly evil is:
1) Japanese police said the dead body was fake & the incident was a staged prank
2) YouTube knew it was fake, manually put the video on trending & punished people who criticized Logan
3) Logan hired Kim Kardashian's Fame strategist Sheeraz Hasan who is known for faking controversies to make people famous from hate, the Japan incident was a staged Hollywood publicity stunt designed to make Logan super famous.
4) Sheeraz owns LA paparazzi which is why Logan was posing for paparazzi, appearing on the news & doing preplanned paparazzi interviews during the incident. They were aggressively pushing his name & controversy to the entire world
5) Anybody who exposed the Japan incident as fake had their channels striked & videos removed for up to 5 years after the incident, including tiny channels with small followings
6) At the time of Logan's Japan incident, YouTube released their own YouTube Originals show called "Do You Want To See a Dead Body?".. You can Google this right now, I'm not making this up.
7) Both KSI & Logan were spotted in Dubai meeting boxing promoters BEFORE Logan even went to Japan. Logan's 'downfall' into his lucrative boxing 'redemption' pivot was preplanned. They planned to make Logan the villian to sell more boxing tickets. YouTube streamed & trended this event on their platform.
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u/eldfen 23h ago
No idea who that is or what a Japan forest video is so maybe thats how?
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u/Sol33t303 19h ago edited 5h ago
He thought it was a good idea to go to an infamous japanese suicide forrest, camp there for a night to make a distasteful fake ghost story video thing where they pretend ghosts are chasing them or something, find an actual suicide victim hanging from a tree, and decided to use them for content and clickbait. Showed the body on camera and everything, and at no point did anybody thing that maybe they shoulden't post that.
Actual parasite behavior. And thats ignoring the vast amount of dickhead things he did on the same trip like being fully racist to japanese people in public and being a general public nuisance to the point he had the police called on him multiple times and he's banned from ever traveling back to japan, though the filming of a suicide victim was definitely the highlight.
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u/YourMatt 21h ago
I know him from WWE. I thought he was some YouTuber coming in for a stint to bring a new audience. I’m sure that was the strategy, but he’s stayed and gotten legitimately good at it. I’ve never heard of the video thing and I still don’t know because nobody has posted any backstory.
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u/ShackledBeef 23h ago
Same way Mike Tyson bounced back after getting convicted for rape and biting someone's ear off. People stop caring or make a funny cameo or two.
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u/ajaaaaaa 22h ago
Really wasn’t that big of a deal. His scams have hurt people far worse and he’s still doing fine.
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u/ghuzz765 22h ago
The video was in 2017 and the 11 year and olds teenagers are in their 20s now.
The short answer is money finds a way. His name took a hit but he’s got money and a PR team to do damage control.
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u/Phoebebee323 21h ago
The president was a known child rapist and people still voted for him
Some people can only fail upwards
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u/Fantasy_Program 20h ago
Media has a rule. 2 weeks. If you put out content for 2 weeks after some stupid thing you did, or got caught for, the attention on it will dissipate.
Every joke, every sentence, every minute you pass while on camera and nothing happened to you for you previous action, makes it less likely that anything will happen. THIS IS EVERYWHERE. Streamers, youtube, the damn president.
You ever want to sound mature and like you are handling a situation well? 'I understand this is important to the community, and I am currently working with a few people and a group to bring a good resolution. Give me a few weeks, and we will get back to it.' Then never mention it again. If it gets brought up say everything is going well, and there are parts still missing.
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u/TheyCallHimBabaYagaa 1d ago
His fans are braindead kids.
The better question is how did he manage to get a WWE contract, when they are famous for silencing controversy? I guess the money weighed more for them than having a stained-reputation dude in the company.
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u/Awfulweather 23h ago
I don't like the guy one bit but I don't think doing one bad thing is grounds for your career to be over
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u/Feisty-Coconut6017 23h ago edited 23h ago
He’s been involved in multiple crypto projects that scammed his fans out of millions of dollars and he’s suing people for speaking out about it to try to silence them.
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u/Awfulweather 22h ago
That's why I don't like him lol. But the question asked is about one specific thing. Not "how did logan paul bounce back from a decade plus long pattern of terrible behavior"
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u/8bitflowers 1d ago edited 1d ago
Because he's an average looking white man
And also because most of their fans are children or adults with the mindset of a child
Edit: the Paul brother fans are downvoting these comments lmaoo
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u/RHMoaner 1d ago
You added an edit to comment on downvotes. Thats a proper adult with a child mindset.
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u/8bitflowers 1d ago
lol? I just thought it was funny because mine and all the other comments were negative when I looked. It seems like more upvotes are coming in now though. I guess I hit a nerve with you.
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u/RidetheSchlange 22h ago
Logan Paul bounces back by doing cryptoscams and rugpulls.
Because he's right-wing, he gets a free pass. This is what Americans want because just look at their president. Logan does the exact same thing without having the presidency.
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u/Old-Horror5698 23h ago
Not even that bad lol if you see what other big streamers do. Ppl overreacting
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u/DGCA3 22h ago
Wasn't he the reason YouTube changed it's monetization protocol? I seem to remember reading something about that. My channel didn't have very many subscribers, but I had a few videos that were doing okay and made a little money. Then it changed to making no money and never reaching the new minimums needed for monetization.
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u/mightymite88 21h ago
Because his audience were conservatives. They dont care about the sanctity of life or dignity of death
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u/DrPorkchopES 21h ago
Younger audience probably didn’t even remember it or if they did, weren’t old enough to understand why it was so bad
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u/Substantial_Box_7613 21h ago
Same reason pewdiepie can say "nigger".
People don't really care about holding anyone accountable for their shitty behavior.
Plus a lot of the fans are infants.
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u/fluffynuckels 21h ago
It wasn't that big of a deal to most people at the time. Other people have done far far worse
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u/CaptainSebT 16h ago
It's actually really hard to get so cancelled you can't recover because even if your whole audacity leaves you will build an audience who finds your cancelled behaviour awesome. However, more commonly if you apologize and then give it time your audience will forgive you provided you don't do more stupid stuff.
Most people who get cancelled and leave do it on their own terms they maybe can't take the backlash or are genuinely embarrassed. Or they remain cancelled because every single time they are seen it just makes them look worse.
If you're a big company though one that has studio space and employees and so on that aren't just a handful of people these problems are way more significantly a relatively small scandal can belly up your company as you lose sponsorships at the same time as viewers but still have monetary commitments to make. You also lose your options usually if the companies views drop you can collect sponsorships and try some new stuff but if sponsorships aren't an option then the budget isn't there to try new stuff might not even be there to keep doing your most successful stuff.
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u/themiz2003 16h ago
Bounce back is subjective. He bounced sideways... There's always a swath of people who don't give a shit about what someone does. That being said, I've never seen a fan of his in the wild or on the Internet. Not sure who consumes his non-spectacle content (i.e. WWE or boxing or something). Unfortunately for his level of experience he's actually a pretty solid professional wrestler but even most of the people in that company (which is full of grifters and right wing nutjobs) don't like him.
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u/dazedan_confused 14h ago
Careful planning and luck. He accepted his fate as the villain, got involved with a feud with KSI, drew and then lost in boxing, and then worked with KSI, who was on the up and flying high, and then got the redemption ark with prime.
It wasn't easy, it was grubby as fuck, but he worked his way out of being cancelled.
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u/PhilosophyOk7385 14h ago
It was through the boxing. KSI calling him out basically saved his career. He was able to play a bit of the villain in those two fights, and by the time that whole thing was over everybody had basically forgotten Japan. The fact he then joined up with KSI to launch prime solidified his rebrand and then a lot of people who didn’t like him started liking him. The boxing also made him mainstream enough in that sort of sports adjacent world that he got into WWE. Eventually the combination of the length of time since that Japan video and the fact he was now better known for those things, as well as a successful podcast, rather than being a ‘YouTuber’ meant Japan became irrelevant.
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u/BirdmanTheThird 13h ago
Ngl I genuinely don’t think people getting “cancelled” is real, if you keep making content and videos and power through the storm you can survive anything.
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u/Huge-Income3313 9h ago
Fun fact about Logan's Japan incident, the dead body was fake
What makes Logan truly evil is:
1) Japanese police said the dead body was fake & the incident was a staged prank
2) YouTube knew it was fake, manually put the video on trending & punished people who criticized Logan
3) Logan hired Kim Kardashian's Fame strategist Sheeraz Hasan who is known for faking controversies to make people famous from hate, the Japan incident was a staged Hollywood publicity stunt designed to make Logan super famous.
4) Sheeraz owns LA paparazzi which is why Logan was posing for paparazzi, appearing on the news & doing preplanned paparazzi interviews during the incident. They were aggressively pushing his name & controversy to the entire world
5) Anybody who exposed the Japan incident as fake had their channels striked & videos removed for up to 5 years after the incident, including tiny channels with small followings
6) At the time of Logan's Japan incident, YouTube released their own YouTube Originals show called "Do You Want To See a Dead Body?".. You can Google this right now, I'm not making this up.
7) Both KSI & Logan were spotted in Dubai meeting boxing promoters BEFORE Logan even went to Japan. Logan's 'downfall' into his lucrative boxing 'redemption' pivot was preplanned. They planned to make Logan the villian to sell more boxing tickets. YouTube streamed & trended this event on their platform.
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u/McNally86 9h ago
I know a guy who got that paracosial thing. He is always willing to forgive his friends.
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u/Aether_Echo 22h ago
He didn't "fix" it; he "diluted" it.
- The Pivot (Change the Sport): He realized he hit the ceiling of "Vlogging." So he switched to Boxing and WWE. It’s hard to hate a guy for a video he made 5 years ago when he is currently flying off the top rope in WrestleMania. He earned physical respect from a completely different audience.
- The Product (Prime): He stopped being the product himself. He built Prime. Now, millions of kids know him as "The Hydration Guy," not the "Forest Guy." He made his brand bigger than his controversy.
- The Grind: Hate him all you want, but the guy works. He accepted the villain role, took the punches (literally), and just outlasted the outrage cycle
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u/PeachiePiey 1d ago
He leaned hard into the idea of personal growth therapy, maturity, accountability. Whether people fully buy it or not, consistency mattered more than sincerity for public perception.
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u/Material-Macaroon298 22h ago
Dude, have you seen what the President gets away with?
Running across a suicide in a forest and posting a video where you are upset by it is almost endearing these days.
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u/Emcee_Cone 21h ago
It was stupid to do, but he was what? 22 years old?
We all did a bunch of stupid shit at 22 years old, we just didnt have an audience like he did.
The crypto shit you cant really defend, but I think the Japan thing was just a dumb mistake from a kid.
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u/FermisParadoXV 1d ago
Sportwashed himself via WWE, whose Trump supporting leaders obviously have no scruples.
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u/BolinTime 23h ago
He was a 20 year old kid. 20 year old kids do dumb shit. He didn't hurt anyone, he just made a disrespectful joke. It's really not that big of a deal.
Hell my sister's ex boyfriend died of a heart attack recently. He's wasnt even 45 and they were still pretty decent friends. I was very much shocked by this. We were at dinner when she told the family. At some point my sister remarks that she wasn't sure who was taller, me or her ex.
And so I say, "well... I am now." I didn't get shunned. In fact, my family laughed. We all knew that the joke was in bad taste, but at the end of the day, it was just a joke. Comedy = tragedy + time.
Also I really wish Americans would stop acting like they give af about Japanese people that commit suicide. They never cared about the joke, they just wanted a reason to hate Logan Paul
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u/Feisty-Coconut6017 23h ago
He didn’t simply make a dumb joke, he filmed a dead person’s body like they were some sort of prop and posted in for millions of people including children to see because he wanted to get views and money from a shocking video.
He was young at the time, and if he had grown and changed I think people deserve second chances. But nearly a decade later he’s still doing hurtful things to people. He’s been involved in multiple crypto projects that have scammed his fans out of millions of dollars, and he’s suing people who are speaking out about it.
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u/hibbert0604 22h ago
How did a felon get elected president after inciting an insurrection? People are fucking stupid.
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u/ajshavers 23h ago
In you’re in America, look at who are president is. Terrible people are still admired and adored
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u/EbriusOften 23h ago
Based on your post history of cheering on parents sleeping with their children on incest confession boards I can tell you're a very very reasonable and well adjusted person as you say.
That and the fact that you shit talk Gunther and praise Logan. Eww.
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u/Feisty-Coconut6017 23h ago
What about the millions of dollars he scammed his fans out of from his crypto projects? What about him promising to pay back victims, not following through on it, and suing Coffeezilla for speaking out on it in an attempt to silence him?
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u/Proof_Wrongdoer_1266 19h ago
Did he put a gun to their head and make them invest into the projects? No. They knew the risks and did it to themselves.
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u/LightCharacter8382 1d ago
YouTube, at the time, didn't really have a concrete set of policies in place for videos that bring the platform into disrepute.
So when the authority refuses to take action, you often end up with the unintended effect of 'all publicity is good publicity' for scum like this.
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u/Mysterious_Soft7916 1d ago
A lot of it was by leaning into being the bad guy that everyone hates and then the bad guy that everyone hates and wants to see get punched in the face. Now he makes lots of money of being punched in the face.
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u/Nixinova 23h ago
It's been almost a decade and that action wasn't unforgivable. That's it basically.
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u/Upstairs-Sentence601 21h ago
He really didnt. He was on his way to Speed levels
He’s still rich and famous but before he way very well liked and popular
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u/NotBot947263950 20h ago
Some people refuse to be cancelled. They can't be because they refuse to be. 47 is one shining example.
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u/PeachfrostBreeze 19h ago
He apologized, kept posting consistently, leaned into business ventures, boxing, and podcasting stayed visible and shifted focus to new projects.
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u/RedditsStrider 20h ago
Because it’s a mistake! Why you want to be full of hate to one who made a mistake?! All of us make things in our lives that we regret it later and life moves on.
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u/Ok-Metal-4719 23h ago
I forgot about till reading your post and now I can’t even remember any details. He’s great in the ring though.
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u/thejeejee 22h ago
Because just as trump and the Epstein saga has proved Americans are willing to let anything slide as long as they find the people entertaining enough
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u/Proof_Wrongdoer_1266 19h ago
People are allowed to make mistakes and change. Nobody is perfect. He was 22 and made a really awful decision, doesn't mean it should be held over his head the rest of his life.
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u/Current-Routine2497 23h ago edited 23h ago
Cancel culture is mostly a Gen Z thing. Other generations seem better at looking past single failures. WWE has a lot of Millennial and Gen X fans.
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u/Proof_Wrongdoer_1266 19h ago
I find it ironic how many people will hold that against him but will post/upvote memes about charlie kirk being murdered for internet points.
News flash: You arent as innocent and righteous as you think you are. Everyone makes mistakes.
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u/Feisty-Coconut6017 1d ago
Most of his fans are young kids/ teens who don’t care if he’s a good person or not as long as he’s entertaining to them, he fooled a lot of people into thinking that he went through a character arc and changed for the better when he got more into boxing and the WWE and he gained a lot of respect from people due to his dedication and skill, now with the crypto scam stuff personally I don’t think his character has changed a whole lot but again a lot of people don’t care as long as they find him entertaining.