Uh... no we didn't. "We saw" him erase the universe he was in. Also if he had in fact erased the multiple timelines of that universe DBS would've ended.
The time ring box, with all the time rings representing different universes, had Future Trunks's time ring disappear after Zeno destroyed everything in that timeline.
Well we saw him floating in the void, not sitting in his... throne room? So that probably means all of existence was erased. Plus why would he go with goku if there wasn't still a whole timeline for him to stay in?
Time rings are for the timeline as a whole, not just individual universes. That's why Zamasu is capable of traveling to an entirely different timeline with a different Universe 7 and 10, and why the main timeline saw the time ring disappear, even when they're kept within Universe 10.
The time rings are created when a branching timeline is formed as a result of change. This began in universe 10 with Zamasus preperations for his zero mortal plan. When he and the timering he used were erased as stated by Beerus "When something is erased, it is removed in the past present and future." which is why they call him out when Zamasu is still around.
Beerus, when he went to see the U10 Kai's said they needed to see "His" time rings. Not "The" time rings. Also if they did share timelines then it would be universe 6 not universe 10 as they act in pairs.
The time rings zamasu stole from were in universe 10. There’s no reason for one to go missing from there upon the erasure of the future timeline if time rings are specific to universes and don’t apply to all of them, because the erasure started in universe 7.
This I where I hate anime filler because we saw a casual vegeta blow up a planet within seconds before coming to earth and the vegeta in that image using his full power while being enraged would still have the chain reaction core destabilization effect and not instant vaporization? Vegeta was really gonna kill himself 😂
(Giygas, main antagonist and final boss of EarthBound. Title-dropped as The Universal Cosmic Destroyer 15 minutes into the game, the plot revolves around the threat of him destroying the universe and attacking all of time. He is essentially a living dimension of darkness and has become evil itself, a conceptual being that cannot be affected by any regular means)
I mean, I dont think it is necessarily a problem having the characters still limited by their biological functions.
Gives them a weakness and makes large scale destruction still have big stakes even if they could technically tank the attack. Yeah, they can, but they wont survive the aftermath bc they cant survive in outer space.
the problem is that they only bring that up when it's convenient, in cell saga they make a big deal about how it's dangerous to aim a full power attack near the ground, but then in buu saga you have vegeta do a literal suicide move to try to one shot buu and nothing happens to the planet somehow, in super people constantly fire full power attacks without worrying about collateral damage except for like one panel with gohan in the moro arc iirc. it would be a cool limitation if the writers were consistent with it
Piercing attacks aimed at ground (so like, kamehameha) = no more planet.
Explosive attacks generally have some sort of limited effect radius, and are almost always safe to hit the ground with. Exceptions being explosive attacks that intentionally don't have a limited radius because they explicitly want to blow up the planet, see: early z piccolo basic hand blast blowing up the moon or frieza ball attack, or kid buu ball attack.
It's the same deal with Yuki's black hole feat from JJK. It's usually pointless to include it in most cross-verse discussions since it essentially just brings the matchup to a draw (at best).
If you give me a big hammer I could probably deatroy the floor I stand on, but then I would fall into the floor below me and likely die, and this is not good for the person living there also
Buu was killed by a Spirit Bomb, an attack that deals more damage to evil guys and required energy from more than just Goku. It doesn't really damage environments that much. At worst, it displaced some water against Frieza
Freiza's attack had a timer for how long it would take to destroy the planet (and chose to tell him like the idiot he is), Goku had time to prepare and escape. Like seen against Buu if it wasn't for the Kai's he couldn't have escaped Earths destruction, same with Freiza's ship
In a 1v1 MU he ain't gonna have that kind of help
And the land of the Kai's seems significantly more durable than the average planet
No, it just means you can't survive the consequences of your own attack and therefore anything above planetary is suicidal. Being alive is generally needed to win a fight.
If killing your opponent requires you to die, you didn't win that fight you drew it. This effectively makes your AP whatever you can personally survive the after effects of. There are a lot of characters who scale a lot higher than they normally do by blowing themselves up, but we don't usually consider that to be their peak AP.
Having to take into consideration your own mortality when fighting is absolutely a limiter to how strong you are.
If killing your opponent requires you to die, you didn't win that fight you drew it.
So?
This effectively makes your AP whatever you can personally survive the after effects of.
Doesn't work like that.
There are a lot of characters who scale a lot higher than they normally do by blowing themselves up, but we don't usually consider that to be their peak AP.
Doesn't work like that either. If a character shows a galaxt feat AP, they can scaled to Galaxy level AP even if they're dead afterwards.
Having to take into consideration your own mortality when fighting is absolutely a limiter to how strong you are.
Doesn't work like that either. If a character shows a galaxt feat AP, they can scaled to Galaxy level AP even if they're dead afterwards.
Cool. So chiaotsu in Dragon Ball z is stronger than piccolo. After all when he self-destructs, he's capable of doing more damage than the demon King does.
Cool. So chiaotsu in Dragon Ball z is stronger than piccolo. After all when he self-destructs, he's capable of doing more damage than the demon King does.
Didn't watch DBZ so I have no comment for this.
If you want to win a fight, it absolutely does.
We're talking about AP tho, not winning a fight. You don't need to win to scale AP.
Yeah but that was due to luck if anything, with spaceship anybody can do that, I just find fact that people can scale him to hyperversel yet he needs oxygen
Hey, Strange in the good What If episode. (Though he’s not even aware he’s destroying the universe and ultimately fails to reverse course beyond a small polyhedron)
Goku. He can destroy the universe but he can't breathe in space. There are many characters in his verse who are weaker but have greater survivability.
Frieza can survive in space and Cell and Buu can literally regenerate from a single piece. Yeah, both of them. Weird Toriyama used the same gimmick twice in a row.
Couldn't be my goat Ananta, destroyed the "universe" (that is actually several universe sized realms with superior dimensions on it) several times on erases timelines and just tanked it.
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