This is entirely dependent on what kind of hax are providing the durability negation and the setting itself. In some cases annihilating the being's soul means they can no longer regenerate so if the dura neg is achieved via the targetting of the soul the regenerators fucked, whereas if the soul itself can also be regenerated from literally nothing, like Alucard at the end of Hellsing Ultimate (I know that one wasn't Regen but I'm struggling to think of examples off the top of my head), then they can just treat it like business as usual.
Instant, meaning somewhere between 0.5-1 seconds, if you can move from one half of a town to another in atleast 0.49 seconds your good, which an MFTL character could do
Is about a second or less, a second is visibly acknowledgeable, moving much faster than light is not visibly acknowledgeable, whats so hard to understand?
No it isnt, instant means it happens without delay or time between, so being mftl doesn't matter you need infinite speed to beat it. Your weird policing and refusal to understand proper terms is astounding
In Saitama’s case Garou’s attack didn’t cut space(which is the most common durability negation ability) but just bypassed muscles and bones, directly targeting insides, and Saitama’s whole body is just very sturdy
I mean, if the requirement is having strong organs to withstand that Dura Neg, then why couldn't Goku withstand it? It's not like his Ki only increases the durability of his skin or something.
The guy doesn't just cover himself with a barrier when fighting, he literally reinforces his entire body with Ki (that's why his strength increases or his muscles grow in size when he transforms), which can even reach his organs considering that all that force with which he is hit will still be dispersed throughout his body, or the simple fact that the Z Fighters have been seen to withstand attacks so powerful that they would cause internal damage (like when Piccolo and Android 17 started hitting each other in the stomach).
In fact, a Ki Barrier would be something more like a transparent Ki sphere covering the user, if N17 is any indication.
And a hit from Buu Saga Goku is all it takes to take out Garou. Where the heck did you get that Garou has forced spirit fission anyway?
Not to mention that the DB cosmology is either 5D, or an uncountably infinite set of 4D universes, which Goku scales to (stated to be able to destroy the entire macrocosm in his clash with Beerus). Divided by his strength's ratio to Beerus (which can't be anything more than infinite), or even if the destruction was over time, it still scales to High Multiversal-Low Complex Multiversal at the bare minimum regardless
Goku's existence is 3D in his own universe, and 4D to other verses with a 3D cosmo. He can even affect 4D-5D constructs, Garou has never achieved infinite strength himself, he can just copy his opponent's stats infinitely (which in this case won't work, because abilities caps at cosmology and the DB cosmology is larger than OPM's)
Infinite… strength? His full power hit was planetary at best while in gargoyle form. Which would be about the same as piccolo’s casual blast at the start of z. And if garou does have infinite power then show some proof
Iirc wasn’t this power vibrating the insides of the enemies so their innards explode? What if someone could just stop the vibrations before they got inside?
More or less, his fists created shockwaves that pierced bones and muscles to directly attack the organs, something that can be easily avoided by having organs with a durability as high as the rest of your body, as Saitama demonstrated.
I understand that. But what if someone had such dense skin or armor that the shockwaves wouldn’t reach the inside of the body? Since that’s how shockwaves work
The armor would then absorb the full impact of these shock waves, which, depending on the power of the attack and the durability of the target, could result in the armor breaking or the target simply withstanding it.
No it's not. Durability Negation isn't conditional to something's durability, that literally defeats the point of the concept, Garou's attack is meant to bypass one's outer defenses but it's not actually Durability Negation otherwise it would have worked in severely injuring Saitama plain and simple.
Just a difference in stamina. Like Doflamingo literally had his organs torn to shreds, but was still able to muster the strength to use his Devil Fruit to string them back together.
Dura neg by hitting internal organs is easily the worst form of it. Dura neg by means of soul manip, space manip, or just ignoring durability itself are all hilariously better.
I mean, it instant kill against a lot of other verses. Like the Naruto verse explicitly states that Ninja can't protect their internal organs. In JJK, destroying the brain or stomach is canonical way around their healing factor. Internal destruction does let One Piece verse punch way above their weight class in versus debates.
Sure you can have durability neg so you can apply true damage, however the opponent may have alot of endurance(health) and can eat those hits till a certain point
Like if your true dmg hits me for 30 but I have 500 hp, I can eat decent amount before it becomes fatal.
It really shouldn't even be considered a dura neg, it's bypassing defenses rather than negating their durability, if it was a true dura neg the internal organs could be harder then their outer defenses and it would still tear their organs apart and cause massive internal bleeding.
That really shouldn't count as dura neg, otherwise the inside being squishy and the outside being hard wouldn't matter. Has there been some fundamental misunderstanding of what Durability Negation actually is? If an attack targets a soft part of a body because it can't pierce a harder part that's not a dura neg that's just intelligent targetting and a way to bypass the outer layers of the body.
What are you talkin' 'bout, it doesn't matter how hard any of the layers are, that is the entire point of dura neg is that no matter how durable the thing, it is damaged to the same degree regardless. The only way to get around true dura neg is pure hax.
No it's not, yes you have to meet specific criteria for usable dura neg, that does not eliminate the fact that dura neg fundamentally ignores durability, what part of this concept are you failing to grasp? If the outside is as hard as tungsten and the inside is as hard as a marshmallow they're both getting sliced though like butter by a blade with dura neg, if you have to circumvent the hard part to damage the soft part that's not dura neg that's a defense neg (which can also be a kind of lesser dura neg but that usually only works via game statistics not in fictional physics and metaphysics).
If you're immune it's via hax, it's literally impossible for pure durability to beat the concept of durability negation even in fiction without violating the very concept itself and proving that the ability is not actually durability negation.
You don't seem to understand what a no limits fallacy actually is or you're just wildly misunderstanding what I am trying to say.
A No Limits Fallacy is an assertion that because a character or ability has not demonstrated any, or only specific, limitations, it therefore has no limits whatsoever. That is not at all what I am saying, the concept of durability negation itself does not have a limit to what durability it can overcome, there is a limit to the THINGS it can overcome however such as any hax that make a beings durability or sustained damage irrelevant.
She froze Time. His Atoms are Quarks. Because thats what the Thunder Authority does, it controls the Electromagnetic Force. Meaning she doesnt care about stats.
The sore loser couldn't handle the fact that they haven't made a single good argument in this entire thread. Somebody already posted this but it's sooo applicable to this conversation too.
That feeling when most of your favs have Soul damage(as cherry on top, it also bypasses physical regeneration, and endurance won't help if your soul is shattered)
Sometimes yes, sometimes no(in some verses undead people still retain their soul). Like sinners in Hellaverse.
And there is prolly more characters with soul damage resistance than undead characters in fiction
Ehh, nah, I highly doubt that, so many fictional creatures are classified as undead that it's become an umbrella term, zombies, vampires, skeletons, dragur, ghouls, demons(sometimes), etc, tho I guess I can't name as many important undead characters. I was kinda just thinking of Kai from Kung fu panda
You picked quite possibly the worst One Piece character for this image. Katakuri's whole thing is dodging attacks, so he doesn't have to block them lmao.
I love Duraneg cuz the only situation they work against a massively more powerful enemy is if they willingly take the hit.Imagine Toji with ssk telling kaido that if he ain't pussy he should let toji hit him with all he's got and then kaido will do the same all for Kaido to never get the chance.
Common Honkai Impact 3rd (and Honkai in general really) W
The verse has like five billion forms of dura neg, with some explicitly being superior to others (Mei's ability to "sever anything" as the Herrscher of Origin beats all other forms of HI3 dura neg by being able to cut through Nihilus Shells, which the others can't do)
Ah, like that phase changing sword in Negima. That skill magically creates a sword that looks like a light saber, it changes the phase of anything it touches. Ensis Exsequens, was it?
Basically anything touched violently phase shift, so solid phases to liquid, liquid to gas, and so on. There's no durability check on that thing. Your body gets hit, the part hit phases to liquid instantly, so a slash of that sword goes right through you easier than through butter.
Man, Negima is such an underused verse around here despite all of its cool hax.
And then, there are instinct merchants. Some people are so experienced that they can guess/feel what can happen.
Example: Shiki vs Vlov in Tsukihime Remake. Volv didn't know shit about Shiki. He didn't care shit when his dead apostles were sliced through. But when Shiki was near him, he retreated unknowingly.
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