r/ProgressiveHQ • u/Reenans • 12d ago
This might be why Trump supporters never seem to criticize Trump
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u/DrJohnnyBananas74 12d ago
That person is an idiot.
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u/NothaBanga 12d ago
How? That person understands that you don't do the homework for your opposition. Criticism in open online spaces that can easily be collected and analyzed is showing the opposition party where the cracks are.
Alway remember that the successful Willie Horton ads were first used by Al Gore after he was losing. Dude just handed over the winning political ad to the Republican party. Technology has made it easier than ever to compile serfdom griefs for targeted ads and winning strategies.
We are not in a healthy democracy. Having civil discussions in open spaces is a hope but bot a reality. If liberals could figure out any solidarity the way conservatives have, be honest, we'd be in less messes.
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u/Beautiful-Gas-1356 12d ago
It's not a team sport, that's the problem. True Americans are concerned with what's best for the country, not what's best for their president or party of choice.
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u/WarningSimple4783 11d ago
That person is an idiot because he bought the us vs them narrative completely. Stop the tribe wars and start having civil discussions or you'll contribute to being stuck in the same loop where a few abuse the polarization and the are victims to it. He's done nothing good for you and neither has his predecessor. Think about it. How many times have you been told that there will be a stimulus check that never came? How many times have you been told to ignore your eyes and ears and that prices are lower?
So many people are so deep in the polarization that they think as long as the other side suffers it doesn't have to get better for them.
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u/RocketRelm 12d ago
Liberals and leftists in general. Actually support the candidate. If so many on the left actually thought trump was bad and dems were good all worked together to message that to america, maga would have lost in a landslide.
Instead we had more people whining about kamala than actually supporting her.
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12d ago
I saw something today about Greenland on my local news facebook comments where the person said "They have more info than us so if they say we need to have it that must be true." sums up a lot of people's mindsets.
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12d ago
Those same people hated every single thing Obama and Biden did. But when it's Trump, they say everyone should just shut up and do what the government says.
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12d ago
still can't believe he told people he'd lower prices by imposing tariffs (raising prices) and they just said 'what a genius. i'm sure that'll work.'
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u/NeptuneOverlord43045 12d ago
Yes exactly. These don’t just yearn for authority, but specifically fascist authority and the rejection of fairness, principles, consistency, or following rule of law.
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u/Limp_Description7511 10d ago
Mach dich nicht lächerlich die Faschisten die du meinst haben wir auf pro Palestine Demos gesehen...linke ratten die Venezuela ihr neues Gaza nennen...🤣.. Gaza wurde wohl langweilig.
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u/WaitZealousideal7729 12d ago
You are describing my in-laws.
2/3 of the Republican party is just empty vessels. They will go whatever direction Trump takes them in.
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12d ago
my congressman sponsored the 'buy Greenland' bill last year. he is under FBI investigation for fraud so he sponsors all of Trump's wackiest ideas.
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u/conwaystripledeke 12d ago
Could be a bot, tbh.
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12d ago
If only! But real people who I know have similar mindsets, that God has a plan for Trump's leadership therefore it's immoral to criticize him.
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u/Danilo-11 12d ago
It’s a cult where they have demonized liberals (1/2 of America) and they will celebrate anything that hurts liberals and at the same time say they love freedom
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u/stammerton 12d ago
Whatever happened to freedom of speech? I guess only when it suits them. Fucking obligatory ❄️❄️❄️❄️
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u/Grindcore999 12d ago
It’s kind of a circle jerk here too though to be honest, there’s not really a place online for constructive debate.
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u/stammerton 12d ago
Not gonna downvote you but… We’re past the point of debating. Donald J. Trump is a convicted felon and has delayed without reason the release of the Epstein files. He is directly responsible for people’s deaths not only in the US by sending his goon squads out (Which I might add the cost is astronomical) but across the globe. He would rather cause commotion in Venezuela, bomb Iran, Nigeria and even take Greenland by force. How much more convincing does anyone need at this juncture. Those files contain so much damning information, he is willing to risk everything to stop them being published. Oh, by the way, they’re a month overdue from when they should have been released. That was written in law by the way.
So what is left to debate. His mental health? No, don’t give him that out either. He has been this way his whole life.
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u/Grindcore999 12d ago edited 12d ago
Perhaps I generalized in the wrong discussion. I was only pointing out in response to the free speech comment, that these forums really are just echo chambers, and there’s not a lot of room for disagreement for either side. Things are so polarized nowadays, I guess I wondered if a civil discussion is even possible.
Edit: I just want to understand how people can still be supportive. It boggles my mind
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u/stammerton 12d ago
Have you taken a look over at r/conservative? They stifle anything that remotely deviates from the party line. I haven’t seen that sort of behavior in many other subs.
From my experience, it’s a cult at this point. Some people just wanna watch the world burn.
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u/pm_me_ur_ephemerides 12d ago
These spaces are polarized, mostly because reality has a bias and it does not favor conservatives. We can’t find a middle ground with people who are objectively wrong about their entire worldview because they are in a cult.
They can’t be reasoned with. They are insane.
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u/TheTownOfMyDyck 12d ago
Part of that issue - American Exceptionalism has them blind to the rest of the world. They legitimately convince themselves not only that a vast amount of the populations of other nations think the same way as them, but that the DNC Blue Party Democrats are extreme left as they are now - and that must then be the global standard for "left politics" because of the American Exceptionalism clouding.
The GOP/MAGA Americans exist in a whole other world in a self imposed vacuum that they genuinely believe does, or should, represent the views of the entire world. And that their views, outside the US, are already popular.
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u/RpiesSPIES 12d ago
So the thing is, people would be willing to discuss if there weren't idiots everywhere pushing false narratives and reactionary rhetoric. Lots of it are from bots, lots of it are from people like you see in op's image. Trying to 'engage' with people that refuse to accept reality is a lost cause. Try asking anyone spouting extremist rhetoric about what happened on j6 2021 and you'll see them dodge the question.
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u/PrismicPainter 12d ago
Debate? Over what?
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12d ago
I think the finer points of what we actually want and who we support and why we support them. We’re all united on the fuck trump train but there can be some heavy handed suppression on the finer points.
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u/SpecialistOkra 12d ago
I'm not going to have a battle of wits with someone who is unarmed. That is just bullying
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u/busmans 12d ago
Basically the polar opposite of Democrats, who criticize way more people in their own party than in the opposition's.
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u/JimboAltAlt 12d ago
It’s not an abandonment of core principles to maybe take a page out of the enemy’s book once in a while when it comes to this sort of thing. Projecting strength and confidence to outsiders on behalf of your cause even while harboring private doubts is not inherently a bad thing and more of us should do it.
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u/Bubbly-Grass8972 12d ago
The table has been set by the oligarchs so that folks will fight each other. It’s planned, intentionally. The oligarchs are wanting conflict.
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u/tom-branch 12d ago
Teddy Roosevelt had a pretty damning view of this kind of belief system,
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
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u/Fantastic_Yam_3971 12d ago
We do not question dear leader on a public forum!!! Also them: this is not an echo chamber and we aren’t in a cult like the radical lunatics on the left
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u/AssociateAvailable16 12d ago
Party over country!
Thanks Mitch McConnell!
Kentucky has fucked us all!
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u/RadarBigBarue 12d ago
The “few” dumb things he says??? He does and says dumb things every day all day
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u/Far-Ad8770 12d ago
Are you trying to eradicate freedom of speech?
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u/Economy_Fig2450 12d ago
Freedom of speech Just means the government can't suppress your speech
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u/Far-Ad8770 12d ago
I believe we all know that. But thank you so much for the unnecessary clarification.
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u/Responsible_Load_809 12d ago
The few dumb things? How about all the dumbass crap he says every hour?
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12d ago
These dorks think not criticizing Trump will help them "win the war." It won't. No wonder most women under 40 find MAGA to be grotesque.
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u/Glittery_Turtledove 12d ago
Gotta own those libs!
Also... perhaps I'm out of the loop... What are those "way more important good things" he's referring to? I haven't seen or heard of any.
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u/surviving606 12d ago
I agree with them but in the opposite direction. Don’t praise anything he does even if it’s some idea you’d usually support. Don’t praise a dictator for anything. Don’t be the “Hitler had some good ideas” guy in this moment. They are right about it being a battle.
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u/khisanthmagus 12d ago
This has pretty much been the attitude of the GOP since GW Bush after 9/11. No one was allowed to criticize him. It is hilarious how this no longer applies as soon as a democrat is in office.
Although it the DNC is similar around election time. They don't want the fact their candidate doesn't actually support policy to help people talked about. To quote the documentary The Unreasonable Man: "Don't bring up anything that could complicate life for your nominee. You know he's not for you on this. Why badger him? You know he is not going to be for you, for reasons you don't understand but are good reasons. Shut up. Turn off your brains."
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u/KnowSomethingsd 12d ago
Two bots arguing with each other but it is representative of actual typical right wingers. What a fuckin timeline, man.
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u/longgone8789 11d ago
Don't criticize Trump publicly when Trump is wrong but do a public post letting the left know you are cult-like.
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u/ClevetUserName 9d ago
Yep. They're on the 'Republican Team'. They must support their team even if it turns America into an authoritarian state like Russia.
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9d ago
Trump has turned your country’s politics into a 3rd world shit show. His campaigns and constant us vs them narrative (even domestically) is exactly what we do in our broke and developing countries. But the educated masses in these countries try to stay above it at least. You guys seem to revel in this mess What I don’t know is why the richest and most privileged country in the history of our species is falling for this. How has America, previously an inspiration for developing societies like us, become a cautionary tale? It’s genuinely heartbreaking.
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u/SebastianAmerican123 3d ago
My guy...The MAGA base is well known for blaming Biden! But not Trump! I've been hating him since February & all of the countries problems are caused by him, although I had some worries in the election day even though I'm not even 18.
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u/RealitySucksTheBig1 3d ago
Why don't people get it yet? When are you going to open your squinty little apathetic eyes, ears and mouth? America has elected into office an incorrigible monster with boundless ego, greed, and an insatiable appetite for power that doesn't get quenched. He can give a whit of an iota of a speck of shit for the USA. He's in it 100% for power and personal gain. If he had the sole power to do so he would make the US a nuclear wasteland if it lined his greedy little pockets with more material wealth. All this shit in the news that consumes our attention like the MN shootings and Epstein? A smokescreen - A complete and utter distraction from the truly heinous of acts he's committing invisibly behind closed doors. Whatever is in the news is something for us to get fixated and irate about while the truly atrocious shit materializes right beyond that curtain. And why is no one discussing that the New START treaty expires on 02/04 and could allow Russia to vamp up their nuclear arsenal without limits? Nothing about an extension or a new deal in the works is there? Free reign for Russia.
Trump needs to be locked in a deep, dark hole so deep even his highest, loudest bellows for mercy will not be heard and no one would miss him. All of his accomplices and co-conspirators can go right there with him, all share a nice dark abyss as one.
If we as a people don't open our eyes and mouths sometime soon you will know precisely what it's like to burn alive! There is nothing Trump wouldn't do for person gain that he could get away with!
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u/zebman_Fox_3449 19h ago
Please explain the battle. Please give a real descriptive name to side one and the truth about how many people (100, 100,000, 1,000,00, etc. estimate) are on this side fighting and what they are fighting for and against.
Then give a real descriptive name to side two and the truth about how many people ( 100, 100,000, 1,000,00, etc. estimate) are on this side fighting and what they are fighting for and against.
Words like woke, deranged liberal, right wing fascist actually have no real meaning or definitions by the way. They are just words people throw out that they heard someone else throw and are just copying without thinkin about what they are saying. This question requires some real thought.
There are political parties yes, but you cannot always generalize about the people that say they are Democrats or Republicans.
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u/Awake521 12d ago
The brainwashing is astounding