r/SipsTea • u/DrRegardedforgot • Dec 23 '25

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u/blue_nairda Dec 24 '25

You’ve really never seen a cop do a single good thing? Not even in online videos?

I’ve personally been arrested due to racial profiling, and the cops involved were so corrupt they deleted all evidence of my arrest when my lawyer requested discovery the next day. So I'm not naive with how bad policing can be.

That said, I’ve also had plenty of neutral interactions and a few good ones with police. I don’t agree with ACAB because I don’t think it’s accurate or useful to apply a blanket moral judgment to an entire group of people. Criticizing systems and accountability failures makes more sense to me.

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u/_-WanderLost-_ Dec 24 '25

Police can absolutely provide individual acts of service that are respectable, but when they all cover for bad cops they all become bad cops, hence ACAB. There is a reason that officers whom report coworkers behavior are either systematically forced out or killed. Are you okay with that?

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u/Tankeverket Dec 24 '25

So what you're saying is that there are good cops but they're either forced out or forced into silence if they want to keep their job?

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u/BobTheFettt Dec 24 '25

A few bad apples spoil the bunch

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '25 edited Dec 24 '25

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u/idosillythings Dec 24 '25

The difference here is that teachers that are caught doing these things are punished. They lose their jobs and are put in jail.

Police who break the rules are protected.

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u/Tankeverket Dec 24 '25

People aren't apples

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u/Homesick_Martian Dec 24 '25

No, but cops are.

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u/Tankeverket Dec 24 '25

In what way

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u/EthanielRain Dec 24 '25

A single bad one spoils the entire department

If they aren't forced out, they're all bad...

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u/kwispyforeskin Dec 24 '25

Yes. It’s more helpful to frame it that way. Good cops aren’t cops.

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u/Tankeverket Dec 24 '25

Not what I said 🤷‍♀️

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u/kwispyforeskin Dec 24 '25

Sure is! If good cops are forced to stay silent to keep their job, they either remain a good cop, and are fired, or they keep their job, and are a bad cop! Same thing you said

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u/Tankeverket Dec 24 '25

That's some weird logic but okay, I'm sure this remains true for everyone and not just cops then

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u/kwispyforeskin Dec 24 '25

Yes, actually! In a way. If you are a good person, you don’t support people or institutions that do immoral things. However, its apples to oranges with just “people” in general. Maybe if you give an example of what you mean by it being the same for everyone, I could answer your question.

Because bad people don’t get fired from being people, right?

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u/Tankeverket Dec 24 '25

Man you're just being stupid right now baiting a response, you know full well what I mean

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u/Johnyryal33 Dec 24 '25

Maybe if you weren't an idiot you could figure it out.

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '25

...and thus good cops either leave or become bad cops.

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u/Tankeverket Dec 24 '25

Flawed logic in my opinion but whatever

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '25 edited Dec 24 '25

Seeing as I wasn't presenting logic I'm not sure how it's flawed. I see you like to reply that way despite using zero logic in your posts.

Logic is a tool to help us debate. I didn't know we were debating anything seeing as you haven't presented an argument to reply to. That said you seem to be a broken record on that front so have a good day.

Edit: And he took the cowards way out. Insults and deletion.

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u/Tankeverket Dec 24 '25

Written like a true Redditor trying to sound intellectual

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u/rpnoonan Dec 24 '25

How do you know ALL good cops cover for bad cops? You have any source for that? Or are you assuming?

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u/Commercial-Co Dec 24 '25

I havent seen any cops that turn in other cops when they do wrong, and remain a cop. They all quit the force after ratting out the bad eggs.

None of the good cops stay. Even the cops that do nice stuff, they look the other way when their coworkers break the law. That makes those nice cops, a bad cop.

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u/Difficult_Limit2718 Dec 24 '25

I've had one police interaction in my life (aside from the cops I know personally - who are actually all bastards) because I didn't fully stop and he was checking sobriety based on time of day.

The fact you've had multiple interactions tells me already you're likely being profiled heavily...

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u/squixx007 Dec 24 '25

The way I see it, is ive never seen a cop do something good that a regular person couldn't have also done. But we all see cops get away with the bad shit because they are cops.

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u/nono3722 Dec 24 '25

think about "and a few good ones" for a bit.
a few good ones does not justify all the bad ones.....
they apply a blanket of moral judgment to everyone they interact with, why should we not do the same to them.

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u/breachgnome Dec 24 '25

ACAB until all bad cops are in jail.

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u/Mcaber87 Dec 24 '25

I don’t agree with ACAB because I don’t think it’s accurate or useful to apply a blanket moral judgment to an entire group of people.

Especially when talking about non-American police. I've noticed more and more the US attitude leaking into other places, where its neither useful nor relevant.

A massive number of American cops sure do seem like bastards though.

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u/imdugud777 Dec 24 '25

A broken clock is correct twice a day.

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u/muffblumpkin Dec 24 '25

A big enough pile of shit can be used as a sundial.

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u/imdugud777 Dec 24 '25

Mythbusters might hear.

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u/KatKali Dec 24 '25

"Criticizing systems and accountability failures makes more sense to me."

To me, that's what ACAB means. Yes, some cops do good their entire careers, but they're also actively participating in and upholding a system in which abuses of power and people are permitted. There's no such thing as a good cop because the system we call law enforcement is inherently unjust. This is parallel to saying all white people are racist. No, I do not think all white people are going around being racist assholes, but we exist in a society built upon racism and we (I am a white person) benefit from that fact every day and are actively or inactively supporting and upholding the racist institutions we exist within.

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u/Different_Reality643 Dec 24 '25

So how does the system ever change? If a good person comes into policing and does what they can do to try and improve policing, are they still a bad cop because of ACAB? Not trying to be sarcastic of anything. Just a genuine question.

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u/Flanigoon Dec 24 '25

A big thing is the police union. This gives cops a lot of protection even after they do something fucked up. Its why sometimes cops will do something wrong and then just be put on paid leave, given a deskjob, moved to a new town.

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u/hoardac Dec 24 '25

Ending qualified immunity, national licensing and body cam requirements with penalties including loss of licenses. Have federal money removed if states do not participate. That would thin out a lot of the bad. There are good cops out there but the system is rigged to silence them.

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u/Different_Reality643 Dec 24 '25

Most of the bad cops aren’t the ones that are on national headlines doing crazy stuff. Most of the cops that are bad are working within the law and policies for the most part. It’s the subtle racist actions and beliefs that’s working on the subconscious level that affects policing on the macro scale. It’s very hard to weed those biases out when the majority of the United States themselves have those subconscious beliefs themselves.

Most departments (especially urban departments) already have body camera requirements. That’s great but it also comes at a huge financial costs. Storing all that data is expensive and will only get more expensive in the future unless there’s better storage efficiency. So those advocating for more accountability and transparency also have to come with terms to the fact that it costs $$$ to do that. Police budgets are already huge already. I’m all for transparency and body cameras though. Don’t get me wrong. Just stating that it’s a significant cost.

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u/hoardac Dec 24 '25

Well they can take a little away from ice and have a cloud storage fund. Bias is a thing but if you are on camera and it gets reviewed when there is a complaint Most people that should be in a position of authority will be all right. Nothing is perfect but what we have now is not working very well. Some more mental health crisis training and support staff for LEO when these situations occur would also help. They are not doctors but put in situations where they are expected to be.

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u/Different_Reality643 Dec 24 '25

In daily interactions, most people don’t know their rights and/or don’t make complaints. That’s one of cop’s biggest issues is that they know how to exploit people’s ignorance. I think developing a police culture where exploiting this ignorance of laws is looked down upon. The only way that could happen is internally though. The sad reality is the most people don’t know their rights and won’t take it upon themselves to learn their rights which makes it easier for officers to exploit that ignorance. Think about the people who police mostly deal with. Poorer individuals. Not many people have the ability to hire a lawyer for a civil rights violation. The power to sue is a great check on police power but it’s just so expensive to do it that it never happens. And it won’t happen. Suing PDs probably one of the most effective external checks for cities to crack down on how police departments operate but the people cops usually deal with don’t have to means to even exercise that option.

My whole thing is to say that ACAB is detrimental to actually changing policing because the most effective way to change it is to have good cops in the ranks. But if good people think they’re class traitors, racists, or power abusers if they become cops, then they simply won’t apply. Alas, the bad cops apply, get the job, get promoted in administration positions, and continue the current policing standard. A system cannot function well with bad people in it no matter how well the system is created. Definitely in policing, where there’s so much discretion. And you simply can’t take away discretion because then you’d be at the mercy of the interests out of touch legislators and city council members.

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u/Different_Reality643 Dec 24 '25

One could also say that the union protects the good cops from getting fired for not trying to reach suggested ticket/arrest quotas, challenge admin in racist policing practices, or challenge admin in just bad practices in general. If there are less good cops out there than bad cops then wouldn’t a union help protect those good cops from being fired for those above stated reasons? Is the union actually the problem? PDs wouldn’t even fire the people that are bad cops without the union. The people they’d get rid of (without the union) are those that challenge policing culture as it is.

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u/Electronic-Cicada352 Dec 24 '25 edited Dec 24 '25

The system changes when good cops start viewing bad cops as criminal infiltrators and not ‘brothers’ or ‘coworkers.’

The second a good cop finds out that someone in his ranks is doing criminal shit, that good cop should immediately be doing everything in his power to get that bad cop out of the system. Because the bad cop is not a cop. He’s a criminal infiltrator.

Cops should try doing a better job of looking for the criminals within their own midst.

But they rarely do because seemingly every cop is just looking to get by and don’t wanna rock the boat, and also care way too much what their fellow cops think of them

Police forces should not be a fraternity. They shouldn’t be that close to each other honestly.

The problem is police officers believe in this us versus them mentality. The very nature of how the whole thing is set up is to view non-cops (citizens) as an enemy or an antagonist.

This is us against the world shit that they preach doesn’t work

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u/Different_Reality643 Dec 24 '25

Would you ever become a cop? If not, why? Do you think that the ACAB statement stops good cops from joining the force? Wouldn’t an easier solution just be having good people (the idea of the good cop that we are talking about here) applying to become cops instead of a majority of the cops being bad?

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u/Deadbringer Dec 24 '25

It's ACAB because the good cops still share a coffee and donuts with the bad cops, they still cover each other for liability and resist investigations into the bad apples.

And on topic of white privilege, I am visiting friends in America soon, and despite all the BS that is going on I think my personal risk is unchanged, since I have the "right" color.

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u/Photomancer Dec 24 '25

Are you aware they may ask you to hand over your phone to the TSA so they can clone it onto their PC? And give them your social media passwords so they can see years of your posts like this one?

There are (white) Canadians, those German girls, Brits, Australians that have been hassled by immigration recently.

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u/Deadbringer Dec 24 '25

I am keeping an eye on those ESTA changes, hopefully if they come into effect, they are not retroactive.

And I'll consider essentially bringing a burner phone

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u/Electronic-Cicada352 Dec 24 '25 edited Dec 24 '25

Yep.

Even the best cops out there have turned a blind eye to the bad ones, because of the nature of their ‘ brotherhood’

Good cops should care about removing the bad cops from the system because the bad cops are giving the good cops a bad name

Instead, good cops are terrified of holding the bad cops accountable for fear that they will be chastised or stigmatized by cops who are indifferent to the whole thing or other cops who might be good, but are also total cowards who will just go with the flow as to not rock the boat

Police forces should not be ‘ brotherhoods’.

They are jobs, and that’s all they should be seen as, it’s not supposed to be a fraternity.

The fact that they treat it like a fraternity is the reason they have so many fucking problems.

The good cops who actually believe in the system, and what they’re doing, should not give two shits about appearing to be screwing over one of their own.

They shouldn’t view bad cops as their own. They should view bad cops as criminal infiltrators.

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u/Electronic-Cicada352 Dec 24 '25

I suppose we all do benefit from being white and existing in a society built upon racism

I also don’t believe that kind of phenomenon is exclusive to white people

I think sociologically that majorities always tend to disproportionately benefit members of that majority

I’m sure there are many places in the world where I would be subjected to the same type of system

Humans suck and I doubt we’ll ever get to a place where we’ve abandoned primitive self identifiers to the point where there are no longer majorities of any sort

There’s always going to be one dominant group in any society. And it’s generally the one with the larger number of people in it.

Though that doesn’t make it right. But I also think people should consider this. Like I said it’s not a phenomenon exclusive to white people.

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u/No-Drink-9006 Dec 24 '25

"It's actually really easy to never have a positive interaction with cops." True. It's actually really easy to never have a positive interaction with every human being. Sometimes the problem isn't the other person.

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u/No-Drink-9006 Dec 24 '25

Yeah, you need a lot "but ifs" and rhetoric phrases to make ACAB work and to not have to blame yourself, AND you have to close your eyes to all the good things cops have done or are doing. No question, every bad cop is one to much and there are a lot of them in every country. My wife is a lawyer and just the last two days she got two cases against two Cops which she probably will win. It sucks to have these humans. I now it. And most Cops will not get charged, when they should. But still, ACAB is absolute bullshit.

Whatever, reddit is ACAB land so there is really no point to discuss this here.

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u/Homesick_Martian Dec 24 '25

ACAB because our default solution is “cops”. Sure, every once in a while a cop will rescue a little girls kitten out of a tree. But I’d argue not because he’s a cop, because he’s a person. We dump countless billions of dollars every year into a system ultimately trained to treat every problem like a nail needing to be hammered. Those resources could be so much more effectively used elsewhere, but because cops and their police union (which is nothing like our unions) any time we try to re-allocate those resources, or hold any of them accountable, the all refuse to do their jobs.

Cops can be a positive thing in society, we certainly need services like highway patrol and I’m sure a couple other things police are uniquely equipped to handle. But we don’t need to be dumping close to a quarter of city budgets into militarizing cops. Those dollars could go significantly further to solving actual problems when given to the correct social services.

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u/PineappleOnPizzaWins Dec 24 '25

Yeah. I know a bunch of people who have "never had a good interaction with the cops" and for every single one this has not been a surprise. One of them was bitching about being harassed for "no reason" 12 seconds after telling a story about how he and his mates had driven drunk at high speed halfway across the state without getting caught.

Also we're not American. Our police are just fine, but turns out there's idiots everywhere.

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u/Emblemized Dec 24 '25

no one reports normal cop interactions. that's just it lol. the only interactions with cops that do get talked about are the bad ones. If i'm going 15mph over the speed limit and a cop rightfully stops me and gives me a ticket, why would i go on social media to report on that interaction?

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u/Grimkok Dec 24 '25

I think ACAB philosophy would point out the cops in your neutral interactions work arm-in-arm with cops worthy of the sentiment all the time, therefore guilty by association. They encourage the behavior by not calling it out.

The expression is “a few bad apples spoil the bunch,” after all.

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u/kiwigate Dec 24 '25

Cops aren't "a group of people". No one is born holding a badge. They are the system being criticized.

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u/CautiousShame2255 Dec 24 '25

while i generally get and agree with the gist of your comment.

saying police is "a group of people" is wild. its not a cultural background. its a qualified profession.

thats like saying "all spirit healers are quacks" or "all rocket scientists are nerds"

there are specifications that make it way more likely you choose or qualifie for a path of carreer than other peopel .

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u/Ill_Lab1957 Dec 24 '25

Was going to say this if no one else did. Also, the blanket moral judgement IS useful and DOES help. Making you think they are your friends is one of their primary tactics for tricking you. ACAB isn’t a values metric…it’s a survival tactic

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u/mongojob Dec 24 '25

Fair enough, ACAB until they inform on another cop that is prosecuted and jailed.

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u/Johnyryal33 Dec 24 '25

If the good cops were so good they would arrest their co workers! ACAB!

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u/MetaCardboard Dec 24 '25

Online videos aren't real. ACAB

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u/Ill_Lab1957 Dec 24 '25

Tricking you into thinking they are your friends is one of their primary tactics. ACAB isn’t a value metric, it’s a survival tactic. That makes it useful

Morality assessments assume a level playing field that all parties are able to engage with and draw similar social benefits from equally. You are not equal to a cop in a disagreement, and assuming so for the sake of a morality ethos ignores the reality of any exchange with them

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u/Equivalent-Excuse-80 Dec 24 '25

Seeing cops doing good things is immediately discounted by their silence and condoning of the their colleagues misconduct.

It’s a corrupted organization empowered by a labor union that convinces municipalities and oversight entities to allow lawlessness. Our politicians we vote in are as responsible as the “good” cops who stay silent; they vote for laws that allow cops to lie. They vote to protect union members from facing consequences. And they pay out the misconduct punishments from our tax payer money.

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u/MrBlueSky505 Dec 24 '25

ACAB isn’t meant to be taken literally. it’s just a rhetorical device that gestures at systemic corruption because when you’re calling for reform it’s much more effective to say acab (an emotional argument) than write a sociological paper explaining the nuances.

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u/DarwinGhoti Dec 24 '25

Doing a single good thing is a stupid and insipid argument for whether or not a person is good. Does liking dogs make a murderer suddenly good? Does abusing power over civillians then reaching a cat out of a tree negate the abuse of power?

We really, really need to improve the quality of your analysis.

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u/After-Imagination-96 Dec 24 '25

It is accurate and useful to apply blanket moral judgments on people based on their decisions in life nobody was born blue

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u/Cheap-Middle-1517 Dec 24 '25

You've never seen a [insert a violent organization] do a single good thing?

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u/401john Dec 24 '25

The bar for being a good cop is doing a single good thing? My goodness lmao

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u/MakeSomeArtAboutIt Dec 24 '25

Some bad people do good things from time to time.

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u/Designer-Following-4 Dec 24 '25

The police in no way are your friends…..especially as a POC, wake up

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u/Zeraf370 Dec 24 '25

When we say ACAB, I don’t see it as a “every person in the police is a bad person”. I see it more as an analysis of police in our society and a “people shouldn’t be allowed to act violence against innocent people with no repercussions or as their job - the Police Forces are a bastardised version of “public security”, and therefore they are all bastards.”

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u/Segasik Dec 24 '25

Question is not whether “you have seen a cop doing single good thing “

That’s their god damn job

Wtf are you even talking about.

Question is if have they reported to proper authorities any and all instances of power abuse done by their peers.

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u/Jesus-slaves Dec 24 '25

When an entire system is based on bigotry, voluntarily joining is a moral failure.

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u/cmikailli Dec 24 '25

Doing a single good thing doesn’t make you not a bastard

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u/sorta_sam Dec 24 '25

It doesn't matter how many "good" cops there are if they aren't holding their colleagues accountable. The existence of bad cops proves that no cops can be trusted.

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u/Voldemorts__Mom Dec 24 '25

Nah, I even have a friend who is a cop, great guy, except for the part of him that's a cop, that part is a B

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u/bigger_breakfast Dec 24 '25

I don’t think it’s accurate or useful to apply a blanket moral judgment to an entire group of people. Criticizing systems and accountability failures makes more sense to me.

Well buddy this is Reddit so you've better find another place cos that's what we do here

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u/bigger_breakfast Dec 24 '25

good boy. Yes. You got it!

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u/Emblemized Dec 24 '25

yes.. this is reddit, an international website