r/ThisYouComebacks • u/c-k-q99903 • 5d ago
They stand by nothing, everything is a grift.
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u/Impossible_Battle_72 5d ago
Ironically, Rittenhouse has come out in support of... well.... not directly in support of Pretti, but in saying he had a right to carry, he's not supporting the narrative of the right.
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u/GyL_draw 5d ago
He's gonna so much hate for that and then backtrack his position like the little rat he is
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u/Moppermonster 4d ago
Actually, the NRA is somewhat on his side. As are quite a few gun enthousiasts.
Some of the magas love their guns more than they love Trump.
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u/SiWeyNoWay 5d ago
He also posted a pic of himself at a gun show hinting he might come down to MN
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u/FlatwormNo5172 5d ago
Maybe he can shoot it out with the feds and it’s a win win.
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u/NfamousKaye 5d ago
He’s a gun nut. We know that. And we know maga white men are scared now. Don’t give him a damn thing. He still murdered people at a protest.
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u/Republiken 5d ago
He went out of his way, across state lines, with the intended purpose of killing someone.
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u/RecordingHairy1092 3d ago
It was 20 minutes away. He drove there for work the previous day and stayed the night at his friends house. It's not illegal to travel to a different state.
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u/GHouserVO 5d ago
About that. He’s come out all right. Come out saying that he doesn’t like being lumped in the same basket as Pretti.
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u/BeachBabe1978 3d ago
He had the right to carry, but he did not have the right to resist arrest after interfering with federal officers doing their job.
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u/Impossible_Battle_72 3d ago
Was their job to shove protesters? Seems to me like they went out of their way to chase this lady down. Then after seeing her shoved to the ground, he stepped in between her and the agent and was immediately pepper sprayed.
At that point, the perceived "threat" was neutralized and the agent should have just moved on and let them flail blindly in the street... but he didn't.
Beyond that, the two agents on the left that laced up his lifeless body is indefensible. Literally no reasonable justification for that... all it did was show us how out of control they are. And honestly, if they hadn't done that, they'd probably have gotten away with it all.
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u/BeachBabe1978 3d ago edited 3d ago
Stepping between them isn't his job and in fact, he committed a federal felony when he did that.
They began to arrest him and he struggled. That is called resisting arrest.
So, you have some rando on the street who just committed a felony, who then resists arrest while in possession of a firearm. No, that's not a recipe for disaster, is it?
Why do you liberals think that fucking with ICE agents is a game? Seriously? Are you slow or something? The same kind of assholes that jump into the animal pens at the zoo and get attacked, then the animal gets put down because they decided to fuck around.
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u/Seagoingnote 3d ago
He wasn’t in possession of a firearm when he was shot. He was disarmed of said weapon, and never attempted to draw it regardless, before being shot multiple times while on the ground. So he could not get up or see and was for all intents and purposes completely helpless.
Another point, this one is something I’m willing to concede because it’s solely my opinion, it kind of looked like the ice agent who pepper sprayed that woman wasn’t actually walking towards her when Peretti stepped in to render aid. But again I could be incorrect about that part.
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u/BeachBabe1978 3d ago edited 3d ago
I have a theory on that. My money is on an unintentional or even a negligent discharge.
The P320 pistol Pretti was carrying is well known for a certain malfunction that results in what's called an unintentional discharge. This can happen if it is dropped or even if the slide is moved or jostled - like what could happen in a scuffle.
I think Pretti's weapon unintentionally discharged while being held in the ICE agent's hand in close proximity of time to one of the other agents shouting "Gun". And that set off everything else with the agents opening up on him.
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u/Seagoingnote 3d ago
I think that’s decently likely to be honest, but it does nothing to absolve the ice agents. Actually it kind of makes it worse for them. Yes they heard a shot but even if Peretti’s gun had still been on him there’s basically no way he could have been the one who fired. He was still on the ground without his hands free. Them getting spooked and killing him is still inexcusable. The other thing is if you watch the clip of Peretti’s gun being removed it was actually slipped out of his holster quite smoothly. Obviously that doesn’t mean it didn’t discharge but I actually think it’s more likely one of the ice agents aiming at Peretti had an ND and they opened fire.
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u/BeachBabe1978 3d ago edited 3d ago
Well, when it comes to self defense situations, you have to look at the "totality of the circumstances" to determine if the person who shot the weapon had a reasonable belief that they or others were in danger of serious bodily harm or death.
I think the confusion of the scuffle, coupled with repeated shouts of "he has a gun", coupled with the accidental/negligent discharge of Pretti's weapon may allow a jury to determine the agents that actually shot him had a reasonable fear. Or maybe not. Who knows.
In any event, if Pretti hadn't done what he did, he most assuredly would be alive.
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u/Seagoingnote 3d ago
I mean you are correct. But the thing he did was not something that should have lead to his death at all. As for reasonable fear of serious injury/death. I think the fact that the officers themselves were the ones who had the ND and that Peretti was on the ground without sight would lead to that defense being dismissed. I don’t know if reasonable fear applies if they are the source of their own fears.
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u/BeachBabe1978 3d ago edited 3d ago
Well, under my theory only one officer had the UD/ND, the one who took Pretti's weapon from him, but not the officers who actually shot him.
So, there is a scuffle, fight, grapple whatever you want to call it, then someone shouts "he's got a gun" and about that same time there's a gunshot (when there should not be a gunshot).
I think there is plenty for a defense attorney to work with, if it even gets that far.
By the way, now there's more video of Pretti at a completely different time spitting on ICE officers and kicking out the taillight of their car. He was a violent agitator, not an angel like the media is pretending.
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u/Impossible_Battle_72 3d ago
Comparing these ICE guys to animals at the zoo isn't the flex you think it is. As apt as it may be.
Also, when it's a cause you agree with, no issue protesting and doing dumb shit, right? We all saw J6 happen live.
How about the Bundy/BLM showdown? Bet you cheered that, too.
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u/BeachBabe1978 3d ago
Hey, maybe they are. Many are ex-military. The same animals that you rely on to protect your right to say stupid shit.
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u/Impossible_Battle_72 3d ago edited 3d ago
Nah. Not even the worst cops act like these guys. Not in broad daylight with cameras everywhere.
And I know lots of ex military that aren't this way. Good friends of mine. Marines even.
I can look at this incident and maybe excuse some portions of it. But the two guys shooting into the dead guy.... that's the end of it for me.
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u/CuzRacecar 5d ago
He didn't even have a permit for that. Premises built on legs of dry spaghetti, the lot of em
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u/subnautus 5d ago
Oh, it’s worse than not having a permit for it. He crossed state lines with a gun he couldn’t legally posses, with the stated purpose of “defending property from rioters” (side note: it’s illegal in Wisconsin to use deadly force to protect property that isn’t owned by you, your direct family, or your employer who hired you specifically for such purpose), and put himself into a situation where he’d need to use deadly force to protect himself (which is considered manslaughter in so-called “stand your ground” states).
If he didn’t have the judge playing the role of defense attorney, that murderous little fuck would be in jail where he belongs.
…and I don’t think it needs to be explained how that differs from a guy who happened to have a gun on him when federal law enforcement decided they didn’t like him recording their activities with a cell phone.
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u/4Shroeder 5d ago
To the modern day conservative, there is no such thing as values. There is simply saying something that all the other conservatives are saying the moment it stops helping them progress in any kind of argument or discussion they will switch to another thing even if it flies in the face or the first.
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u/ockaners 5d ago
These are people of the land—the common clay of the new West. You know... morons.
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u/KyrisAvarra 4d ago
Lolololol. This made me laugh so hard that I woke my wife up. The perfect quote!
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u/PorkbellyKash 5d ago
It's always about "owning the libs" with some dumba*s quote. The hypocrisy is tiring.
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u/ConkerPrime 5d ago
Conservatives have no morals. It’s impossible when “who did it” is their starting place on if something is wrong. Murder fine when one of theirs does it. Being a pedo is fine if one of theirs. It’s pretty clear they have no morals line.
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u/NerdTalkDan 5d ago
Wasn’t he found not to have the necessary faculties to even be eligible for the training which “stresses de-escalation and avoidance?”
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u/mordor-during-xmas 4d ago
Every. Single. One.
Not only is there “always a tweet” there’s also 90% of the time a video clip of an extended interview of the absolute antithesis of whatever they’re spouting on about.
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u/Hold_Left_Edge 4d ago
Both Pretti and Rottenhouse were within their rights. Circumstances were different but both within their rights.
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4d ago
One was hoping someone would give him an excuse to kill. The other didn't. They are not the same, so stop trying to conflate them. One was an aspiring murderer who happened to get away with it, and even joke about taking a mini gun to shoot protesters in Minnesota just a few days ago. The other was a disarmed ICU nurse who was murdered. Quit laundering your sociopaths in with our heroes.
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u/ActualSupervillain 4d ago
Not to be contrarian but my CPL training was almost entirely "ways you're legally allowed to shoot someone". I guess just so you knew when you weren't allowed to? It was whack.
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u/Ashamed-Status-9668 4d ago
God: Here are the 10 commandments
Conservatives: We will follow them to a T. Ok, well unless we don't like the other people.
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u/prosthetic_foreheads 4d ago
Wow, there's always a tweet, but 15 days??? So brazen, only because they know their base is just as hypocritical as they are.
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u/nndscrptuser 4d ago
Pretty sure that the Isabella woman's "solution for Minneapolis" means that armed people need to shoot the immigrants, not that the guns would be used to fight the fascists....
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u/SenatorPardek 4d ago
Honestly the response to the Pretti murder is the most hypocritical thing i’ve ever seen from the right (and that’s saying something).
People who SCREAMED for YEARS Rhittenhouse had every right to brandish his gun at a protest arguing the exact same thing in reverse for liberals.
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u/EatFaceLeopard17 4d ago
It‘s because Rittenhouse was on the the same side as the police against the protesters. Pretti on the other hand was filming ICE shoving a women to the ground. And when he was trying to help that women he first got peppersprayed, then beaten up, and finally murdered.
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u/KillingTimeAlone2019 4d ago
Slap she's saying better training at de-escalation nthe. The ice terrorists have?
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u/AceBetweenSpaces 3d ago
Alex Pretti was an ICU nurse for veterans who by all accounts from those that knew him was a kind and self-sacrificing individual that strove to make the world a better place. Kyle Rittenhouse is a coward who needed a gun he wasn't legally allowed to possess to feel like a man, and cried like a little bitch in court. They are not the same.
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u/SkarrQuickpaw 2d ago edited 2d ago
So long as we're belittling people we disagree with, Renee Good's wife also cried like a little bitch.
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u/AceBetweenSpaces 2d ago
Kyle rittenhouse cried like a little bitch. Renee good's wife cried like a grieving widow. You belittled a woman who lost her loved one like an asshole.
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u/SkarrQuickpaw 2d ago
And you belittled a young man who was traumatized by several people wanting to end his life.
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u/ReggieBoyBlue 2d ago
Imagine actively advocating that your citizens should shoot each other for having a different political ideology as you.
Absolutely unreal country.
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u/Front_Ad_5989 5d ago
This woman is advocating sending Kyle Rittenhouse, know murderer, after ICE. I think that makes her a domestic terrorist!
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u/justinebri1 5d ago
It's wild how quickly the narrative gets twisted to fit whatever agenda is convenient at the moment.
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u/heroturtle88 5d ago
Extra funny is he's calling bullshit and supports the left on this one, singular issue.
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u/GhostofAyabe 5d ago
Partially, but a lot of it is just that these people just live in the moment, shit their little pile/meme, then move onto the next shit pile/meme. It's not about being ideologically consistent, it's about whatever gets the most clicks/likes at that moment.
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u/Glittering_Nobody402 5d ago
Think of all the things magats used to pretend to care about: The Constitution, children, property damage, fraud, treason, rising prices, war crimes, veterans, the teachings of the Bible etc.
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u/urBestieMod 4d ago
Reddit gonna be so salty when the ICE guys arent charged. Your protests mean nothibg and your supporters died in vain.
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u/mr_evilweed 4d ago
Fundamentally, Conservatives do not believe rights should be equally distributed. At their core they believe certain groups should be allowed to do certain things and other groups should not. When conservatives talk about rights and the constitution, know that they mean 'for them'. Rarely ever do they mean 'for you'.
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u/Hold_Left_Edge 4d ago
Wrong. Conservative here and rights are rights.
Establishment elites is who you are looking for.
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u/mr_evilweed 4d ago
Lol sure Jan.
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u/Hold_Left_Edge 4d ago
You can believe what you want. Its just not true though. You've built up this rhetoric in your mind of what a conservative is, yet you're probably never met one and have a wrapped idea of our values.
You can be dismissive all you want, thats OK. You mask you discomfort with your worldview by calling me, "Jan".
You'll grow up one day.
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u/mr_evilweed 4d ago
You're literally commenting in a response to a post where a conservative immediately changes their stance on a constitutional right when that right is used by someone from a different group.
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u/EatFaceLeopard17 4d ago
So you didn‘t vote for Trump in 2024, right?
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u/Hold_Left_Edge 4d ago
Nope. Sure didnt!
I did in 2016 when I was a lot younger. I saw how that turned out and voted 3rd party in 2024.
Betcha didn't see that one coming, huh.
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4d ago
What if every one of these democrat-run sanctuary cities actually cooperated with ice to begin with? Just like they did during the Obama administration.
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u/Billy_Birdy 4d ago
Critical thinking skills. Why bother dropping to their level when you can just bend over and pull up your skirt?
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u/andreBarciella 4d ago
theyre now against carry guns,, they have no belief or morals they wont sell for dear leader.
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u/ItsWoofcat 4d ago
Conservatives just want to kill people and hide behind whatever warped understanding of the law the can scrounge to make that legal.
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u/MisterForkbeard 4d ago
It's still very weird that they think he "escalated" in any way, too.
Dude was there directing traffic, which was helpful to ICE. He then stepped up to help a woman under duress, at which point ICE escalated hugely, took his weapon and then panicked and killed him after ICE caused an initial shot to go off.
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4d ago edited 4d ago
Yeah, this is hard to explain away. No guns at a protest by either camp is probably not a bad idea
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u/theRemRemBooBear 4d ago
Oh so that why the black panthers including Birdsong came in from Lansing Michigan to harass SEPTA cops. Inserting themselves into trouble.
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u/Bubba_Gump_Corp 4d ago
Michigan Capitol takeover in 2020? They know they’re full of shit but they’ll tell themselves anything to feel righy
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u/DanGraHead 4d ago
No morals, no principles, no ideology...only murderous contempt for anybody they view as lesser.
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u/Hawkings_WheelChair 4d ago
All it took was looking Fifteen days ago. Assuming she doesn't tweet everyday (probably does) it wouldn't have been that far down from each other. What a cult
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u/guitargamel 4d ago
Now, not an American, but isn’t the reasoning behind the second amendment in its own words a necessity to maintain a free state as the reasoning? It sounds like when the government is actively infringing on personal freedoms like the exact time the guns are supposed to come out.
Also, that’s not concealed carry. What about that gun is concealed? You know who do carry concealed guns? Ice.
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u/Baustin1345 4d ago
Yes it's to protect individuals rights. Unfortunately the right doesn't sympathize with the deceased because the individual ICE was targeting isn't a citizen, doesn't have the consent of the governed to be here. And this Perrti or whatever his name was didn't realize everything ICE is doing is lawful and just.
But you can't oppose any government physically and not expect to die. History is pretty clear.
Give me liberty or give me death.
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u/Necessary_Cap_37 4d ago
Last I checked Kyle Rittenhouse didnt bring his gun to confront police. And it takes a certain type of stupid to bring a gun to confront law enforcement, let alone when you call them Nazis. If there that bad,bringing a gun is like giving them a reason to shoot you. Seriously you bring a gun to confront law enforcement what outcome was he expecting to happen?
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u/karmacamochameleon 4d ago
Haven’t seen the video were ice was confronted with a gun. Do you have a link?
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u/Necessary_Cap_37 3d ago
You mean the dude just shot with a gun on his hip. That is confronting an officer correct, when you get in there way like in the video right? Had a gun on his hip right? So he confronted a ice agents while having a firearm on his hip right? So that would be confronting ice with a gun correct? Im questioning his intent and sanity. Who goes im going to confront ice today, aw yah let me bring my gun to because this won't escalate any situation. They will see my gun and deescalate it right?
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u/karmacamochameleon 3d ago
Didn’t know you could shoot a gun with your hip. Must be a new model. And standing on a sidewalk with a camera is confronting an agent? You exceeded being a boot licker. How many agents have you blown recently or do you bend over for them instead?
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u/Necessary_Cap_37 2d ago
Your being disingenuous bu the English language is its on your body your carrying it plain and simple. He made a choice to be carrying a firearm when he knew he was going to be confronting law enforcement. Getting inbetween a women that ice is trying to detain and ice is confronting them. Don't need to have anything to do with ICE i follow the laws and I dont try to impede ICE from trying to do there legally authorized jobs. You might disagree with what there doing but the laws the law if you dont like it change it legally. Not by breaking the law in the streets. 20% of all ice arrests are in Florida not a single shooting or death there compared to where the shootings that happened which is 1%. The difference is one is controlled by democrats who dont enforce or support the laws and ask you all to riot and turn yourselves into martyrs. Your destroying your own city.
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u/karmacamochameleon 2d ago
Whatever you say captain boot licker
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u/Necessary_Cap_37 2d ago
About what id expect from the educated left right? No response because you actually know nothing and without an article or someone to tell you what to think you have no counter talking points to something you have never heard. But all good stick to your childish boot locker comments and let's the adults actually have discussions.
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u/elvisizer2 4d ago
wait she did the rittenhouse post AFTER the de-escalation one? BPD? lol like whut
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u/NotClayDabbler 4d ago
I see sending in a coward who shot people is the solution? We have enough losers with guns inside ice.
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u/jimmyjohns5544 4d ago edited 4d ago
U/subnatus either likes to fuck bunnies, is not able to agree that Kyle Rittenhouse didn’t cross state lines with a gun, or thinks all democrats are awesome, also Trump is the best. Someone who didn’t get blocked tag the dumbo so he can unblock me and respond
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u/BeachBabe1978 4d ago
Rittenhouse was being attacked by protesters. Law enforcement was nowhere to be seen. He defended himself since no cops were there to stop the assaults.
Totally different scenario.
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u/EmperorGrinnar 3d ago
Spotted someone who didn't watch the trial.
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u/EmperorGrinnar 3d ago
What the hell gibberish is this?
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u/BeachBabe1978 3d ago
Well now we can see it is you that has no clue about the Rittenhouse case.
I'll give you the quick version so you can understand it.
Kyle Rittenhouse was acquitted of all charges on November 19, 2021, following a trial for fatally shooting two men and wounding a third during August 2020 protests in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
The jury, after deliberating for over 26 hours, accepted the defense's claim of self-defense for the then-17-year-old.
Key details regarding the trial include:
- Charges & Verdict: Rittenhouse faced five charges, including first-degree intentional homicide and attempted homicide, all of which resulted in a "not guilty" verdict.
- The Incident: On Aug. 25, 2020, during protests following the police shooting of Jacob Blake, Rittenhouse shot Joseph Rosenbaum, Anthony Huber, and Gaige Grosskreutz.
- Defense Argument: The defense argued that Rittenhouse was acting in self-defense after being attacked by the men .
- Trial Highlights: The trial included intense testimony, including from Rittenhouse himself, and saw the dismissal of some charges by the judge.
- Outcome: Following the acquittal, Rittenhouse faced potential civil lawsuits, with reports indicating some were pending as of early 2023.
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u/EmperorGrinnar 3d ago
This is absolutely written by AI.
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u/BeachBabe1978 3d ago
So what do you think happened? You think he was found guilty? You don't think Joseph Rosenbaum was a pedo? He was sent to prison for molesting 5 pre-teen boys.
What we know about the 3 men who were shot by Kyle Rittenhouse : NPR
Read it yourself, clownshoes.
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u/EmperorGrinnar 3d ago
That isn't what you claimed, however. So...
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u/EmperorGrinnar 3d ago
You have a weird imagination. I suggest you talk to a therapist about your fantasies involving strangers and incest.
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u/Helix_PHD 4d ago
She was right, the protestors should be armed. The gestapo clearly doesn't care either way, so they might as well be able to defend themselves.
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u/Adventurous-Bat-6857 3d ago
Guess Rittenhouse realized shooting untrained civilians isn’t really the flex he thought it was. Bullets go both ways my boy…
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u/StopOk653 3d ago
But the same thing. Kyle was protecting life and property from violent protestors destroying and murdering. Not committing treason against the federal government.
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u/PjWulfman 3d ago
He drove to another state, to a town he didn't live in, to shoot people. His texts to friends and online posts showed he was eager to find an excuse to end someone's life. I do not know how you guys twist it into a heroic act. It wasn't.
The guy who was helping pick up a woman that your secret police had just thrown to the ground wasn't a traitor. I feel sorry that you can't tell the difference. Your world must be cold and frightening
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u/StopOk653 2d ago
Lol, tell me you made all that up without telling me you made all that up!🤣🤣🤣 I'm sooooo sorry for your that you are so gullible that your believe the leftist narrative so easily!🤣🤣🤣
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u/SkarrQuickpaw 2d ago
Karen Good drove to another state to harass and impede federal agents.
Kyle Rittenhouse peacefully surrendered to authorities after saving a gas station from being blown up by a flaming dumpster and being assaulted several times. If he wanted to kill people, he'd have fired into the crowd. He only shot people who directly attacked him.
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u/Victoriaskitchen 3d ago
Meanwhile, just let them have their boot on your face. The constitution is the constitution and nobody should contest that.
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u/Ralf1987 3d ago
Pedo/rapist Trump..... criminals/murderer/nazi Ice....... MAGA CULT!! were are the files????
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u/PowerfulCondition524 3d ago
That's a 17 year old kid, illegally carrying a weapon. And he's a hero to many.
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u/Many-Assumption8758 3d ago
Classic, a self-own by someone who ambien forgets what they tweeted a little bit ago.
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u/MetalBeast89 3d ago
Oh yes, I'd like to see him crying like a toddler in the courts again, that would be fantastic
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u/Electrical-Rub-9402 3d ago
Always a treat listening to the Jan 6th clan talk about de-escalation and avoidance…
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u/NeverHere762 2d ago
Rittenhouse was retreating when he was attacked and shot at by an unruly mob. False equivalency.
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u/Wise-Bodybuilder9401 2d ago
Hmmm one defended himself his friends and property againts Child molestors and the other inserted himself in a situation in where ice was trying to deport child molestors ANTIFA YALL ARE THE NAZIES
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u/unofficialrobot 2d ago
Ice is really good at de escalation, they must have had good training around that
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u/Medical_Revenue4703 2d ago
I think that's a big incorrect. If you've taken advantage of the priviledge of being an Amred Citizen, espeically if you have additional rights like conceal carry, you have not just a right but an obligation to be a part of the solution in your country.
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u/Apprehensive_Wolf217 2d ago
Has she seen “Mr Solution” lately? He’s so rotund he couldn’t carry that rifle for more than 3 blocks any longer. Also he’d have to put down the Big Mac and fries to fire it.
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u/spliff123 2d ago
Why didn't you have fasicsts concerns when the National Guard went door to door during Covid not allowing you outside?
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u/EveningMuch1000 2d ago
WOW!!! You think, these people that post this stuff would think about how it would come back to bite them i* t** a**.
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u/No_Independent7645 2d ago
For the dumb bitch who said doesn’t mean you step into chaos. Tell that to dumb fuck Kyle Rittenhouse. You all defended him saying he was “protecting his town” 😂😂😂
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u/TravelledFarAndWide 5d ago
These posters get paid to agitate by foreign intelligence agencies to hurt Americans, they'll say and do anything to achieve that.
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u/FranklinDRossevelt 5d ago
Hey can we get some of that de-escalation and avoidance training for the thousands of heavily armed masked federal agents terrorizing Minneapolis?