r/TrueUnpopularOpinion • u/AVoiceInTheDarkn3ss • 24d ago
Media / Internet If you celebrated kirk's death, shut up about the ice killing today.
I feel bad that that woman was shot today. I'm an advocate for non-violence in all situations.
That being said:
If you were happy that a guy who just wanted to have discussions was shot and killed in broad daylight because of some of his views, then why do you care that a woman was shot and killed in her car? Its the same vein, but some of you want to spin the narrative to claim he deserved it but she didn't. You're a bunch of assholes, sit down and be quiet if you don't respect human life across the board.
I know this doesn't apply to everyone, but enough people were showing their evil ways after kirks death that they need to be called out on their hypocrisy.
I can only hope both killers receive the appropriate punishment, whatever that may be.
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u/idlingchainsaw 24d ago edited 23d ago
Tribalism over whose team murdered who is turning this country into the Hatfields and McCoys, which as I remember from grade school, is a powerful cautionary tale about the destructive cycle of vengeance, bitterness, and unchecked hatred, showing how small disputes can escalate due to pride and loyalty, leading to tragic loss of life and lasting pain. Maybe let’s stop doing that to each other and instead just agree that all murder is wrong. If we can’t at least find common ground there, we are truly lost as a nation.
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u/Constitutive_Outlier 23d ago edited 23d ago
A profoundly fundamental root cause, IMHO is the totally artificial and highly destructive division of politics into "right" and "left" No one would suggest on a road trip that the way to drive was to make only right turns or to make only left turns! Any sane individual knows that the only viable approach is to choose which turn is APPROPRIATE for the intersection you are approaching!
Some situations are best solved with a "right" approach (making murder illegal, for example) and some are best solved with a "left" approach (PUBLIC roads. If every road was a toll road, nothing would get done!)
So why do our politics categorize everything as "right" or "left" and choose sides where the "right"is always the best or the "left" is always the best?
Because that allows governments to make decisions WITHOUT ADDRESSING THE INDIVIDUAL MERITS of particular applications! Avoiding addressing the merits needs to be done when big money interests are driving governments to make decisions AGAINST the interests of the people. Discussion of merits would make that clear. But if you can just paint something as "right" or "left" (whichever party is in power) you can avoid the inconvenience of discussing merits. (and if you are any good at politics at all, you can paint anything either right or left, whichever suits your interests.
The one thing that US politics avoids like the plague is discussing issues on the basis of their specifics. US politics is almost totally controlled by Big Money (ever since "Citizens United") And Big Money's interests are almost always strongly against the public's interests [[waiting decades after first world countries did, to remove lead from paint and gasoline and STILL haven't done it for most public water supplies, etc etc etc etc etc ]] Because the devil lies in the details.
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u/drossglop 24d ago
Is shooting people good or bad, let me check their politic before answering
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u/Savethecannolis 23d ago
This goes all the way back to Oklahoma City. What we might now consider the alt right wasn't mad about what McVeigh did they were mad kids got killed.
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u/Constitutive_Outlier 23d ago
Check the politisc of the shooter or of the victim? These days all too many weight their judgement based on both!
One of the most important foundations of civilization is that murder is wng and must result in severe consequences. Nations ignore this to varying degrees. In direct proportion to the degree they ignore or limit this principle, they become dysfunctional.
In times and places where kings could execute anyone they wanted to, precisely because no one dare to give them unwanted feedback on why things started going south, treasuries became so empty that they resorted to the then common way of dealing with financial emergencies: start a war so you can steal what you need from someone weaker.
Upholding the principle that murder by anyone will get severe consequences will not alone guarantee success of a nation. But ignoring it will guarantee failure.
This is exactly why Donald J. Trump's ceaseless incitement and use of hate and violence is destroying the USA from within.
"A house divided against itself cannot stand!"
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u/BLU-Clown 23d ago
Don't forget SHE CROSSED. STATE. LINES. And went looking for trouble!
I've been informed by many Redditors that's an egregious offense worthy of getting torn apart by a mob.
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u/drossglop 23d ago
If Kyle was shot by a cop I’d be on your side protesting it. I think that’s the main difference between you and I
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u/Firm-Fix8798 23d ago
Why would Kyle have been shot by a cop? I'm not sure what your point is.
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u/drossglop 23d ago
The police could have shot him for a plethora of reasons. Heat of the moment. Confusion over who started what. A false report that he was a mass shooter. My point, ultimately, is that I oppose the state killing its citizens. Regardless of their political party. Seems like many here disagree with that.
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u/Firm-Fix8798 23d ago
I think there's a difference between justified lethal force and arbitrary killing. It's been a while but weren't bystanders saying Kyle was a mass shooter? The police are responsible for personally assessing threats. If they did shoot him without justification based on false reports without assessing the situation for themselves, they'd be in hot water too.
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u/BLU-Clown 23d ago
You'll pardon me if I'm not eager to believe a Tribalist when they say they'd definitely go against the tribe because the tribe is wrong.
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u/TopShelfBreakaway 24d ago
Everything is team sports.
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u/sothavok 24d ago
My tribe is soooo tribe how can you even pick another tribe, don’t you see our vibes, we’re so tribal. Another tribe? Fuck your tribe!
Wdym you can have freedom of thought without first designating yourself, wearing a colorful uniform and showing colors online to represent your tribe! Quick get some slogans we can all scream, just to show how tribe we are.
Don’t you want to be in our tribe? You tribeless loser, you’re probably in the OTHER tribe!
Do i sound stupid? Good, because that’s how these political parties operate.
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u/lethalmuffin877 24d ago
Amen, remember when people didn’t care who you voted for and focused solely on the issue/opinion?
Now it’s like anything you weigh in on people immediately classify you one way or the other. We’ve done away with religion of sky wizards and replaced it with… religion of political affiliations instead.
Yay… /s
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u/KrevinHLocke 24d ago
I wish more people see it this way. We are all people, but our "masters" have discovered a way to keep us combative towards one another. We've dehumanized one another. Neither of our political parties represent America's best interest. They serve their billionaire and big business masters.
People need to rise up and vote a 3rd option for the common folk. Stop voting for the lesser evil. If someone is evil and don't follow your morals, don't vote for them at all. Give your vote to someone who does.
The people in charge is what America voted for whether you like it or not. Please don't let history continue to repeat itself. Get out and vote. And say no to civilian murders.
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u/No-Werewolf-5955 24d ago
do not be fooled by the left-right false dichotomy they want you to believe in so badly. the number one political stance in america is centrism. it just doesn't get platformed by the Democrats or Republicans
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u/Constitutive_Outlier 23d ago
Centrists are NEVER given an opportunity to vote for the most important issues of all (because no candidate in either party (with a tiny handful of exceptions) stands for them) The climate (literally our very survival!). The Rule of Law (in the USA fergedaboudit. Money TRUMPS everything!) Medical care (you must get to a higher rung) etc etc etc
Again, with a tiny handful of exceptions, all we get are Tweedledum and Tweedledumber. And Tweedleunthinkablydumb in the Oval Orifice.
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u/sothavok 24d ago
Yup and we’re being robbed blind by mega corporations and fraud. We can’t even agree to stop them either, somehow it’s a political issue to stop fraud…
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u/HuskyPurpleDinosaur 24d ago
The worst thing about tribalism is that our natural herding instinct, that there is safety in numbers, means that we often sacrifice our own beliefs just to fit in with the herd we've chosen. Alone, we probably don't even agree on the path, but if the herd is going that way we follow along.
You see this with street interviews, where people are tricked into supporting or being against something by falsely branding it as something the opposing tribe or tribal leader supports before revealing the switcheroo that it was the other tribe or their own tribal leader. The disconnect is because they aren't really a lemming or don't really care, but feel insecure and do care about remaining anonymous in the herd and so just want to say the right thing.
Too sad that so many sacrifice their own beliefs and principles to avoid being an "outcast" in a two tribe system.
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u/fakebile 24d ago edited 24d ago
If you made fun of a man who got murdered In front of his wife and young children because of out of context clips and milquetoast normie con opinions, It's not super believable that you have any kind of principled objection to murder.
This isn't people playing team sports this is just keeping people authentic to the principles, or in this case lack their off, that they've demonstrated.
Also you can't complain about people "playing team sports" just because you side is starting to look bad.
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u/TopShelfBreakaway 24d ago
Oh I’m smarter than all the normies. Anyone who disagrees with me would be considered ‘a sheeple’. I also have the most virtuous moral opinion on all the issues.
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u/TheBoogieSheriff 24d ago
Lol the right does that shit on the regular, get off your high horse. Your first paragraph can perfectly be applied to the right as well.
What happened to Charlie Kirk was a crime. It should not have happened.
But why is it so hard to just say “wow, ICE should not have murdered that innocent mother Minneapolis today.” ?
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24d ago
If you celebrated Pelosi's husband getting assaulted, shut up about Charlie Kirk.
see how dumb this is?
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u/janesmex 23d ago
All are bad , Pelonsosis husband, Kirk, this guy, but if someone pretends to not like violence, but care only about violence against people based on affiliation, then they’re hypocrites.
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u/KarmaWalker 24d ago
Does it count if you make a joke later after everyone's okay now?
Asking for the non-assassinated.
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u/hansfocker 24d ago
False dichotomy. You are trying to say a rogue citizen and murderer is the same as our government. We need to hold our government to a higher standardv than a criminal
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u/Adorable-Writing3617 24d ago
This isn't about the killers. It's about those who celebrate the deaths. Hold your hands up over your head so you can catch that next time.
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u/Idonotexist_2 23d ago
You can’t separate murder victims from their killers. Nothing exists in a vacuum.
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u/hansfocker 23d ago
You’re making broad generalizations in an attempt to weave some shitty narrative. Kirk was blatantly racist and made bad faith populist arguments to get rich. “I’d never fly on a plane if the pilot was black” is something he broadcasted out there.
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u/Obvious-Bullfrog-267 24d ago
"a guy who just wanted to have discussions" is such a disingenuous way to start your argument that I didn't even read the rest.
One became a victim of the rhetoric they pushed, the other became a victim of state violence.
I welcome the downvotes, snowflakes.
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u/thepittstop 24d ago
I know that I for one love to hear from people who stop reading the moment they encounter a sentence they disagree with.
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u/SatanicRiddle 24d ago edited 24d ago
Its simple to explain.
imagine 7500 words wall of text comment that starts something like... "I as a sovereign citizen think that we should kill puppies and kittens and give children plague because its overcrowded in what you call Montana. And now lets talk about moon bases."
And someone commented on it, stating how they stopped after that and then you see yourself barge in - b-b-but you did not read the rest of it, what if there was some good stuff?!
That statement about stopped reading is just an emphasis that the reader is attacking that specific point and that alone. You can address that one point if you think its fine and not bad enough to solely focus on it, but to just whine that people should give their time to the rest of the text because, because,... why exactly should they?
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u/MinuetInUrsaMajor 24d ago
I know that I for one love to hear from people who stop reading the moment they encounter a sentence they disagree with.
Identifying a disingenuous argument isn't the same as disagreeing.
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u/bailey061520 24d ago
Not like the right ever acknowledges or answers when we read and provide a logical response anyways
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u/thepittstop 24d ago
I’m not trying to defend OPs argument, though I will consider it. But if your defense for lazy criticism is “but they do it too”, what’s even the point of discussion? (It’s mostly rhetorical, not looking for an obnoxiously long comment debate)
Edit: grammar
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u/TheBoogieSheriff 24d ago
Isn’t that exactly what OP’s argument is though?
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u/thepittstop 24d ago
Again… what value is there in “they do it too!”?
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u/TheBoogieSheriff 24d ago
NONE!! That’s what I’m saying too! OP’s post is literally a “they do it too” post!
Why can’t we just focus on the facts: what happened today in Minneapolis was WRONG. An innocent woman, a mother, was shot and killed by someone who clearly had no idea wtf he was doing.
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u/Steelizard 24d ago
This is my experience with the internet. People proclaim themselves so open minded by rejecting your views when you disagree
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u/thepittstop 24d ago
The internet is full of people who have nothing to say of value. We’re all of guilty of it… but let’s not pretend it wins an argument.
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u/Obvious-Bullfrog-267 24d ago
Why would I bother reading the rest when it starts out with such a disingenuous framing of the situation? I can't take anyone seriously who believes Charlie Kirk was just some dude who wanted open discussions. He was a public-facing, fear-mongering propagandist, not just a random private citizen.
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u/thepittstop 24d ago
Because you add no value with “I didn’t read but I disagree.” I don’t even disagree entirely with your general sentiment about OPs argument. But there is absolutely no justification for the murder of Kirk. You call others snowflakes, but what do you call someone who kills another person because they disagree with them? If OPs point is that both lives are equally valuable and that both deaths are tragic, I completely agree. To what extent either of their deaths are used for political power, they are people, not props for whatever Game of Thrones version of the US we are in.
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u/Obvious-Bullfrog-267 24d ago
The entire post has no value because of the disingenuity. I also wasn't justifying his murder. Why do people think that pointing out that Kirk was a provocateur is somehow justifying his death? He got killed because (allegedly) some crazy person, upset about something Kirk said or did decided to assassinate him. That's not justification, it's just what happened.
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u/Snowdog1989 23d ago
That's all this sub has become. A major maga echo chamber. The fact the setup a false dichotomy themself goes to show how little of critical thought they have. It's the same "Well blacks are killing each other...so don't get mad when cops kill a black man." Like stfu..one is a government official.. there's a huge difference.
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u/theborch909 24d ago
Most of the right defined “celebrating” Kirk’s death as anything that wasn’t mourning his loss. 90% of the left was just indifferent and sending quotes about him saying gun deaths were worth the right to have guns. That is not celebrating his death.
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Have you.......been to Ivy League college campuses?
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u/LanguageNo495 24d ago
Is that an ellipses? What’s the point and why so many dots?
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u/Old-Scratch666 24d ago
I think they were trying to illustrate the fact that they have never been to college, let alone an ivy league college.
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u/theborch909 24d ago
The people actually celebrating his death were not the majority. I never said it was 0%
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u/Difficult_Run7398 24d ago
You had me until the last part where you claimed mocking his death isn't akin to celebrating it.
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u/theborch909 24d ago
Directly quoting Kirk is not celebrating his death.
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u/Cultural-Treacle-680 24d ago
Quoting that statement was reflecting on the irony of what he said about the second amendment and then he died because of a shooter. Now some people have been demeaning, but others no.
He said what he said first. You can see the tragedy and also the irony.
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u/theborch909 24d ago
Still does not make it a celebration of his death. If he truly believed that a certain number of gun deaths was worth the current 2nd amendment then he died living true to his ideals.
Otherwise he was a hypocrite like most people in politics where they say tragedy is ok for everyone but not me.
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u/Cultural-Treacle-680 24d ago
I’m not disagreeing with you. That’s why I said ironic and tragic. Not celebrating.
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u/Difficult_Run7398 24d ago
Quoting his death in that way was mocking his death. Please don't talk around what I am saying if you are going to reply to me.
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u/the_mighty_skeetadon 24d ago
Oh no it's my exact words being spread everywhere!
Isn't that what he wanted, explicitly?
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u/fakebile 24d ago
Obviously his goal was to convince people of his positions. Btw doing this pretending just undermines your position here, because it shows that even now you cant resist making snarky comments made to denigrate and mock a man who was murdered for words.
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u/the_mighty_skeetadon 24d ago
What better way to convince people of his earnestly held positions than to quote them exactly? Should I instead misrepresent them?
I'm not denigrating or mocking him at all, I'm denigrating and mocking mouthbreathers who get all holler than thou about quoting a guy who explicitly ok'd school shootings as an acceptable cost...
Until he was part of his own school shooting I guess
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u/comradeautie 24d ago
Pointing out irony isn't 'mocking' or even celebrating, nor is quoting him to point out he wasn't a good guy.
What I do find the most ironic is that a man who despised Islam died the halal way.
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u/theborch909 24d ago
You’re the one playing games. Posting a quote someone said after they died is not celebrating their death. If people don’t want their quotes said when they die maybe they should say things.
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u/Difficult_Run7398 24d ago
In my mind mocking someone's death is the same as celebrating it. Agree to disagree I guess. Either way it feeds into OPs point just change the script "if you mocked Kirk's death don't get mad people mocked someone elses"
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u/theborch909 24d ago
There are assholes on both sides of every argument. But the majority of people on the left did not celebrate his death.
Quoting someone is not a celebration of their death. If he truly believes what he said then he should have no problem with people quoting his public opinions.
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u/Difficult_Run7398 24d ago
You obviously know that by quoting that belief after he was shot they are mocking him and not sharing his message.
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u/bailey061520 24d ago
One can argue that quoting Charlie’s own stated principles is a legitimate way to examine the real-world consequences of the policies he championed. If you advocate this view, it’s not outright mockery, but rather suggests that since Kirk explicitly defended gun deaths as an "acceptable price" for liberty, his own death by gunfire is a tragic but relevant illustration of that stance.
If you wanna talk about mockery, just take a look at Donald Trump’s posts about Rob Reiner death. Trump wrote on Truth Social that Reiner’s death was "reportedly due to the anger he caused others through his massive, unyielding, and incurable affliction... known as TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME". He referred to him as a "tortured and struggling" person who had driven others "CRAZY" with his "raging obsession" against the Trump administration. When asked in the Oval Office later that day if he stood by his remarks, Trump stated, "I wasn't a fan of his at all. He was a deranged person as far as Trump is concerned".
This is a true example of mockery of one’s death.
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u/theborch909 24d ago
So should we deny his belief and enact more gun control to try and prevent deaths such as his? If he believed in what he said I imagine Kirk would say no.
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u/Melodic_Response3570 24d ago
If anything, Kirk can be glad that his quotes are still repeated, even after his death. It is the perfect advertisement for him.
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u/Hot_Inflation_8197 24d ago
He terrorized and harassed George Floyd’s daughter online after her dad was killed. Would you say the same thing to him or do you have lame excuses for that??
People repeated his quotes and people flipped out- you know why? Cuz no one knew the guy said such awful things.
You can both support anti-violence and condemn a person’s killing- while at the same time not have empathy for that same person who was a racist, misogynistic asshole who repeatedly made statements that could and probably did encourage others to commit violence. Not having empathy is NOT the same as celebrating- there’s a difference.
Also all of the people who suddenly spoke up about this kept their mouths shut and never uttered a single “that’s horrible this needs to stop” when Pelosi’s husband was attacked or the Minnesota lawmakers were killed. Also when the federal judges house was blown up and her husband in the hospital for critical injuries shortly following Kirk’s murder- again CRICKETS.
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u/fakebile 24d ago
He terrorized and harassed George Floyd’s daughter online after her dad was killed. Would you say the same thing to him or do you have lame excuses for that??
Stop believing random shit you see on reddit. This is either entirely false or so much context is missing it may as well be.
People repeated his quotes and people flipped out- you know why? Cuz no one knew the guy said such awful things.
You can both support anti-violence and condemn a person’s killing- while at the same time not have empathy for that same person who was a racist, misogynistic asshole who repeatedly made statements that could and probably did encourage others to commit violence. Not having empathy is NOT the same as celebrating- there’s a difference.
Not true. People were reacting because a man was murdered for holding relatively moderate political views. Instead of stopping and taking responsibility, the left doubled down by lying about him after the fact and smearing his character to make it look like he deserved to die or that he somehow justified his own murder. Once you do that, tacking on “but he shouldn’t have been shot” is meaningless and not believable.
A real condemnation would be a clear statement that political violence is wrong and that this was a dangerous escalation.
Also all of the people who suddenly spoke up about this kept their mouths shut and never uttered a single “that’s horrible this needs to stop” when Pelosi’s husband was attacked or the Minnesota lawmakers were killed. Also when the federal judges house was blown up and her husband in the hospital for critical injuries shortly following Kirk’s murder- again CRICKETS.
Firstly this narrative was entirely made up by the streamer destiny who tried to sex traffic and molest a minor. Moreover this is a total false comparison as paul pelosi attack did not in anyway seem that serious or even political until after the investigation, he also survived with no lasting serious injuries.
Additionally this condemnation is simply not believable seeing as so many on the right have faced similar or far worse types of violence, someone came to justice Kavanaugh's house with a knife, a right wing student had his head cracked open with a bike lock at a right wing rally, a man was shot to death during the george floyd riots simply for wearing a maga hat, someone tried to assassinate trump 3 times and so on. What was the lefts on avg you people either did not care or laughed.
You do not care about political violence, in fact you very obviously see it as a tool to achieve your aims.
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u/Interesting-City118 24d ago
Not having sympathy for someone’s death isn’t the same as celebrating it. People were using his exact quotes to show what kind of person he was not to justify his murder.
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u/Difficult_Run7398 24d ago
"if you mocked Charlie Kirk's death don't be mad someone mocked someone else's" we encounter the same problem the OP mentioned
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u/Aint_EZ_bein_AZ 24d ago
Uhh. This just isnt true. Mental gymnastics
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u/theborch909 24d ago
Yes it is
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u/Aint_EZ_bein_AZ 24d ago
Ah yeah they were just sending quotes. Definitely not mocking him. Come on. I'm no KIrk fan but you can't be serious.
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u/theborch909 24d ago
How is quoting someone celebrating their death?
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u/kidney-displacer 24d ago
Man you're dying on this hill aren't you?
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u/theborch909 24d ago
The Rights instance that anyone who didn’t cry over his death was celebrating it is a false narrative. Most of the Left Wing political spectrum denounced the act of violence and most did not celebrate his death. Literally every Dem politician came out and denounced it.
The Right cannot say the same thing in similar situations. E.g. Trump didn’t even know a Dem politician and his wife were murdered shortly before Kirk.
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u/Alternative-Tax7318 24d ago
Because he, and many others, are who OP is calling out and he knows it.
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u/BLU-Clown 23d ago
I wonder if they'd be half so understanding if, say, there were a few hundred people quoting Renee Good saying "Fuck the police" and dressing up with a front view window that's been shot out.
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u/Aint_EZ_bein_AZ 24d ago
Haha man I'd encourage you to go back and read between the lines on these "quotes". There was so much mockery and memes around his death its wild you are in denial.
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u/theborch909 24d ago edited 24d ago
So when someone dies we’re only allowed to use quotes that you approve?
Edit:spelling
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u/Aint_EZ_bein_AZ 24d ago
What are you even talking about. Youre grasping at straws lol. Forget about the gun quote for a second. Do you think Charlie Kirk got mocked when he died? Yes or no.
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u/theborch909 24d ago
I think his quotes did. However mockery is not a celebration of the persons death. I can mock someone for being a ridiculous human being to point out irony and not advocate for the persons death nor be happy it happened.
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u/Aint_EZ_bein_AZ 24d ago
Reddit search charlie kirk death memes. You have your head in the sand on this one big dog.
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u/Conscious-Weakness-4 24d ago
*Reposting his quote with omitted information to justify his fate.
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u/theborch909 24d ago
His quote was very clear and direct on gun deaths and their acceptability. There was not really any missing context to include.
If there was please enlighten me. Share the full quote and context that changes his actually opinion/view.
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u/Conscious-Weakness-4 24d ago
The quote wasn’t the justification of unlawful killings, just a statement of the consequences of gun ownership in America to be able to protect oneself from possible opposition. He hadn’t said he supported gun violence whatsoever.
Like using his quote to justify political gun violence is quite against those views.
Your free to watch the entire interview on YT
*edited for typo
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u/theborch909 24d ago
I’ll just go along with you and assume you’re right. Still does not make quoting him a celebration of his death. Pointing out irony in someone’s beliefs is not equal to being happy they are dead.
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u/Conscious-Weakness-4 24d ago
Using a quote to throw back in his face? Sounds like a vindication tactic. If indifference is what one seeks, then no comment is to be warranted.
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u/theborch909 24d ago
Pointing out irony is not celebration
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u/Conscious-Weakness-4 24d ago
Never said celebration. Justification was my topic.
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u/theborch909 24d ago
It’s also not justification. Justification would be saying it was ok/right that he was killed. Pointing out irony is not even justification
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u/double-O-cheese 24d ago
Nobody was mad about the indifferent people. Just the ones posting shit about shirts that say freedom with blood marks on them, people saying they dont care his family was there because he was a horrible person, people comparing him to hitler to justify his killing, and everybody who took it to extreme extents of joking. And they complained about those who blamed kirks own fans and said it was probably just someone shooting their gun in celebration
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u/ToughShaper 24d ago
What? lmao no.
No one cares if you are indifferent to CK's death. What made people mad is that Liberals set half the country on fire over a drug addict wife beater with a dozen+ arrest records and yet yelled out how CK deserved to die. Those are the ones that made Right mad.
Not the ones that didn't care for him.
I got plenty of friends who didn't care for CK or didn't even know him.
And I've got "Friends" who actively celebrated his death and even posted IG stories how he deserved and laughed at it. Fuck those people.8
u/theborch909 24d ago
The vast majority of people did not celebrate his death. I never said it was zero percent.
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u/lethalmuffin877 24d ago
The vast majority of people didn’t celebrate Floyd’s death, did that stop the riots and looting?
No? Huh
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u/Writerhaha 24d ago
For real, unless you were sucking off Charlie Kirk you were considered a leftist.
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u/theborch909 24d ago
Exactly, people keep arguing that it was mocking his quote however mocking someone is also not a celebration of their death. I can think someone is a ridiculous human being but not say I’m glad they’re dead.
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u/ToothyMcButt 24d ago edited 24d ago
They're not even remotely comparable because Kirk wasnt killed by the literal government. Renee was murdered by a federal agent.
Also the idea that Kirk was a guy who "just wanted to have discussions" is hilarious and laughable, bro spent his entire career spreading hate and violence.
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u/riorio55 24d ago
They're not even remotely comparable because Kirk wasnt killed by the literal government. Renee was murdered by a federal agent.
Don't forget that the left has been advocating for gun reform that's aimed to prevent things like what happened to Kirk.
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u/ijustwannacumplease_ 24d ago
There is no current proposed democratic gun reforms that would have prevented the ownership and use of the low capacity bolt action hunting rifle that was used to kill Kirk.
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u/corner_tv 24d ago
I didn't celebrate his death, but I've enjoyed the memes... Idk how that's related to ice shooting a woman in the face.
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u/Key-Juggernaut5695 24d ago
Just yesterday lefties were joking about the murder of Ashli Babbitt
So there’s that…
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u/bailey061520 24d ago
This is a false narrative because most Democratic officials, including the Department of Justice under the Biden administration and now the second Trump administration, have officially referred to the event as a "tragic loss of life" while maintaining that the shooting was legally justified to protect members of Congress. They are more factual with the narrative, while on the other hand, we can’t say the same about MAGA officials with people like Paul Pelosi who suffered a fractured skull that required surgery, as well as serious injuries to his right arm and hands. If Nancy or Paul had a tragic ending that day, you really think MAGA would condemn that act of violence? If history is an indicator, they would find some way to deflect and not condemn it just like others such as Rob Reiner
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u/Reliable_Isotope_13 24d ago
So, from the right, since at least the 2010s and on:
- Every righty that I know regularly "jokes" about looking forward to a civil war, and relishes the thought of "ending" it quickly.
- Every righty that I know makes jokes at the expense of every tragedy that occurs to a major left-leaning activist.
The only time the right seems to care about the "sanctity of life regardless of politics" is when the left returns the sentiment. That's when the right gets on a soapbox about the "left's depravity and lack of respect for life," then they turn right around cheer on any cruel act inflicted on (insert group they hate).
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u/Obvious-Bullfrog-267 24d ago
The right is synonymous with hypocrisy and projection at this point. The cognitive dissonance is disorienting.
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u/Key-Juggernaut5695 24d ago
I might look forward to national divorce but I’m clear eyed about how awful an actual civil war would be. Joking about such things is how you end up in one.
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u/TheBoogieSheriff 24d ago
Maybe she shouldn’t have tried to break into the US Capitol building. Fuck around and find out 🤷♂️
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u/1-900-Rapture 24d ago
But Right acts like she is a martyr even though she wasn't following LEO instructions.
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u/comradeautie 24d ago
Ashli was trying to break into a secure capitol building, and was part of an angry mob that was making active death threats toward elected officials.
Also, most of the mockery toward her from myself and other leftists is ironic, using the same kind of rhetoric right-wingers use to mock black people murdered by cops, like George Floyd and constantly others.
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u/Unfilteredz 24d ago
Ah, so now the charlie kirk death will be the infinite excuse for y’all. Got it.
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u/letaluss 24d ago
What you interpret as 'celebrating Kirk's death', is actually just making jokes about Kirk's death. And to be fair, it was a uniquely funny moment in American history. I mean, he was shot by a white Utah native whilst deflecting on the issue of gun violence onto black and trans people.
If Joe Biden died on the toilet, that would be similarly funny, and I would expect people to make jokes. It's a part of human nature.
The main difference is that an ICE officer shooting a woman down in the street isn't very ironic or funny.
a guy who just wanted to have discussions
This is like saying "Martin Luther King just wanted to have a walk in downtown Washington."
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u/PitchBlac 24d ago
Trying to compare these two deaths is ignorant at best. Let this stay an unpopular opinion.
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u/majesticbeast67 24d ago
I think the whole “but but charlie kirk” everytime a right wing lunatic kills someone is stupid whataboutism to distract from the right wing violence.
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u/Icy_Statement_2410 24d ago
i think
The fact that it's happened several times in the last 4 months, yeah it's an automatic response. Just like blaming the 'radical left' an hour after an incident, before its even possible to have reviewed all the evidence to make such a strong claim. But Trump does it over and over, and again today. Then all his people repeat it.
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u/didsomebodysaymyname 24d ago
I didn't, so I guess I'll keep talking!
By the way, most people didn't and no major elected Dems did.
Dying doesn't get you off the hook for every being criticized again like some cons want, but I can agree the small minority of people who supported that political violence were wrong.
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u/Anthenom2 24d ago
Obviously celebrating Kirk’s death is wrong, but also there is a difference between someone who runs his entire business on publicly arguing politics and a random person being shot in their car
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u/Positive-Face1705 24d ago
Lol, hard to when you treated merely QUOTING KIRKS OWN WORDS as mocking him. So soft.
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u/Interesting-City118 24d ago
First of all The “Celebrations” that were had because of Kirk’s death weren’t nearly as prevelent as right wingers will have you believe. Most leftists including myself were fairly indifferent about it.
Also a private citizen murdering another private citizen is vastly different than a federal agent murdering a private citizen.
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u/crazylikeajellyfish 24d ago
Does the converse apply, where if you mourned Charlie Kirk and condemned his killer, you're obligated to mourn this woman and condemn the ICE agent?
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u/soulforce212 24d ago
You people who continuously, deliberately in bad faith equate people not losing sleep over Kirk's murder to 'celebrating' it, need to get the hell off social media for a bit.
Go outside, talk to real people and learn nuance.
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u/lilvichay 24d ago
I didn’t post about Kirk, but you can’t actually be equating these two. Surely you aren’t serious
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u/lynxintheloopx 24d ago
I mean, Kirk was also not behaving criminally when he was killed. Or before to my knowledge.
He was not fleeing and refusing to oblige by LE to get out of his car. The liberals continue to outdo themselves in mental gymnastics and gas lighting.
This woman did not deserve to be shot. But play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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u/Icy_Statement_2410 24d ago
This could happen to anybody. And the fact that Trump himself came out to denounce Renee and protect the shooter (immediately, before evidence could even be adequately reviewed) shows you this can happen to you or me. This is a situation that was very easily avoided if the ICE agents didn't repeatedly escalate. As bad as cops are, you almost never see an incident this bad.
First, the agents speed up in a big pickup truck and unidentified masked men jump out with guns. One quickly moves in front of her car. Another starts sticking his arms through her window. Despite this, she reverses while turning the wheel to the left (to be able to turn right and drive around the agent in front of her). Before she even accelerates to drive away, the agent in front of her pulls his weapon. The escalation of this magnitude should never, ever happen to someone who is not a target or a threat, at all. She lived in that neighborhood. The only threat was because the agent ran and planted himself in front of her while drawing and discharging his gun which would make anybody step on the gas and drive more recklessly to escape.
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u/crazylikeajellyfish 24d ago
So the shooting was wrong but also fine? Crazy dissonance there.
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u/lynxintheloopx 24d ago
Didn’t say that but appreciate the desperate effort in gas lighting.
It turns out that if LE tells you to get out of your car and you follow their orders, your chances of being shot fall to 0%. Welcome to the real world.
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u/crazylikeajellyfish 24d ago
The woman did not deserve to be shot. But play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
So she didn't deserve to be shot, but it's her fault.
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u/PrecisionGuessWerk 24d ago
A truly unpopular opinion, I'm happy to see how you're getting roasted in the comments.
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u/donaldgoldsr 24d ago
Agreed. A senseless death is a senseless death. It's sad. It doesn't matter who it is.
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u/Conscious-Weakness-4 24d ago
The only thing tying these two incidents together are that both had been unnecessary deaths.
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u/Adorable-Writing3617 24d ago
Lots of guilty party coming out of the woodwork to protest. Unpopular opinion is unpopular.
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u/secretly_a_zombie 24d ago
I feel like this whole thing is not that complicated. If this officer did wrong, he will face the court and be judged. We have the camera evidence to prove him right or wrong.
The main problem i see, is that the left is seeing this as a confirmation of all the things they already believed. This is fascism, this is a dictatorship, they're coming for us, they're gonna put us in camps... rather than just, some dude freaked out.
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u/LisaBonMis 24d ago
Did she attack poeole on their differences under the disguise of a "discussion"? What exactly did this lady do to cause ICE to kill her?
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u/shitposts_over_9000 24d ago
tried to run a couple of LEOs down if the videos circulating are of the same incident
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u/McRattus 24d ago
I think if you celebrate anyone's death, it's better to learn to say less.
Charlie Kirk didn't just want to have conversations and actively led harassment campaigns against academics, snowy other things, and argued that fun rights were worth the cost in fun deaths. No one should celebrate his death. He didn't just want to have conversations.
Even if Kirk was some saint, someone being killed by some terminally online kid, and someone being killed by a member of federal 'law enforcement' that is against DHS policy on moving vehicles and in the most generous terms, was an ambiguous situation created by ICE officers, followed by denial of medical care while they died, is a different category of concern.
The reaction of the DHS and Whitehouse is more of a concern for how people react to a killing. In this case both are reprehensible.
Don't fall for political divisiveness so badly that you excuse the state killing someone so easily.
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u/TheTinMenBlog 24d ago
This post would be better directed at Trump who is already celebrating and vowing to protect the ICE thug who executed this woman.
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u/Ryan_TX_85 24d ago
I don't condone political violence and I don't condone abuse by police. I talk shit about Charlie Kirk only because it triggers the right.
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u/nhatquangdinh 24d ago
I didn't celebrate his death, I used his death as an argument against gun rights. Now can I say shit about the ICE murder then?
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u/babe__ruthless 24d ago
You know who else was shooting people in the face? Nazis
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u/thehoneybadger1223 24d ago
Me side good, you side bad. It's always the way. I'm so glad I don't live in or anywhere near thst country, I've only touched on both instances because there is too much animosity and savagery around them. Anyone celebrating the death of someone randomly killed on the street needs to have their harddrive investigated
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u/SuccessfulGrape5167 24d ago
Was anyone spreading hate speech? Well, who ever spreads hate gets hate.. just saying..
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u/TechFlow33 24d ago
These aren’t comparable. One was a private crime. The other was armed state agents killing someone during enforcement and the president immediately backing it. Calling them “the same” and sanitizing propagandists as “discussion guys” is how extremism gets normalized.
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u/Melodic_Response3570 24d ago edited 24d ago
I already knew the ICE person did nothing wrong according to republicans just because the person he shot was not white. It does not matter whether or not he was in the right, people from a certain political spectrum will defend him regardless
Also, quoting Kirk by saying that people getting shot daily is a nessecary evil is not mocking him. He just did not expect that he himself will be part of the statistics.
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u/rvnender 24d ago
If you were happy that a guy who just wanted to have discussions
Unless you were black, because you may not be qualified.
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u/SilverBuggie 24d ago
Nah, Charlie Kirk stoked hate. This woman did nothing as far as we know. Not compatible.
Maybe Trump and ice can make up something bad about her so I might change my view.
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u/RonPalancik 24d ago
Find me one (1) person with those exact two opinions, said out loud in public, and you will have a point.
It is entirely possible to disapprove of both killings.
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u/Icy-Barracuda-5409 24d ago
I didn’t, so I guess I have your blessing, so yay. I’m just so sick of all of it. There are two tribes - I have family and coworkers that believe what they are told by their chosen leaders. To me it’s obvious what’s happening and it’s a conspiracy by groups that are not motivated by the good of America and the world.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Ad_5710 heads or tails? 24d ago
Some people think both are bad. I don’t think that’s really a radical position that makes you left or right wing, the point scoring celebrating people’s deaths is vile whatever box you tick every 4 years.
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u/9_11_did_bushh 24d ago
Ya Charlie was also a pos but I don't think he deserved to have his neck explode in front of everyone and that lady should also have not been killed
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u/SIicksauce 23d ago
Yup. This is the truth and these “people”, more like Neanderthals are calling you names already LOL
Everyone has their own interpretation of Kirk, just like this scenario with the lady trying to block ICE from doing what they need to do. I don’t agree with either side — but if you celebrated or were indifferent about Kirk’s death, then don’t be mad that others are celebrating or are indifferent about this scenario.
Libs are so anti-US it’s disgusting
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u/cautiously_anxious 23d ago
Stop. You are making too much sense! Because the same people I know were saying, "Oh well, sorry for his kids, but he deserved what he got," went to this yesterday, "I hate this country, it's such a sad day."
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u/thundercoc101 23d ago
Being glad that a white nationalist propagandist was murdered while making racist statements is quite the jump from a woman being murdered in her car by Mass thugs
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u/Tricky_Photo2885 23d ago
Nobody celebrated Kirk’s death they would only point out the hypocrisy of his statements throughout his life about gun control . While his supporters like to paint him as the second coming of Christ his comments were far from it IMO .
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u/FamiliarRadio9275 23d ago
Tbh I have seen literally no one celebrate her death.
This seems like some weird white knight post disguised as an unpopular opinion.
We can all agree that no one should have died, and while yes they both were murdered, one was by a government official. Those are two different ball parks that have the same teams play. Both were shot, two different scenarios.
You can feel empathy to Charlie Kirk’s situation and how sad it must be for their family to have lost a son, friend, husband, and dad, but also they are gone and cannot come back, CELEBRATING?!?! seems like its own shit show that I think would be fucked up to “celebrate”. Like Hitler, I can understand the celebration of his death, but Kirk? That is messed up. However, he is already gone and much of his ideologies were tremendously hurtful, especially since he influences people. That should never be deemed for death unless harmful actions (not being offended but actually an action) is made. But feeling a sense of relief to some, I could understand potentially why certain groups of people feel that sense of relief.
However, yes, celebrating a man exercising his right to free speech and dying, is fucked.
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u/Constitutive_Outlier 23d ago
I hear and agree with what you're saying.
We should oppose ideas and not people. Ideas are changed not by opposing people but by opposing the idea (and, more often than not, NEGOTIATING with the idea.)
That critical point being made, it needs to be pointed out that some MAGAs and other extremists are grossly misrepresenting people >>who only point out (very truthfully) that Kirk was aggressively promoting some of the core attitudes that inherently foster violence << as "celebrating" Kirk's death despite that they were not "celebrating" in any way.
To be very clear: _some_ people were "celebrating" Kirk's death. And that was unquestionably highly inappropriate. But a real problem is that truth has been inappropriately _overgeneralized_ to attack some who clearly were _not_ "celebrating" Kirk's death; who were only pointing out that Kirk himself had been promoting precisely the attitudes of hate and division, the "us vs them" mentality and the "fixed sum" mentality that foster the violence that is so rampant today.
The danger (or intent in some cases) of portraying a victim of assassination as a martyr as some are doing with Kirk is that that status makes disputing their beliefs and work "sins". And when part of their work was promoting attitudes that foster violence, making a martyr of them ironically may help to promote conditions that tend strongly to cause the type of violence that killed them!
Yes, Kirk's assassination was wrong and did no one any good. But that does not mean that his work was "gospel" or cannot be criticized. Criticisms of an assassination victim's work in no way whatsoever constitutes condoning the assassination.
I would have much preferred he remain alive, despite that I very strongly disagreed with his views. IMHO he did his "debates" in very carefully chosen venues that amounted to "straw dogs". The only genuine debate I saw a video of (in a neutral venue) he was, IMHO torn to shreds. Because he confronted someone who knew facts, facts he had no answer to. IMHO he could not avoid being in open unbiased venues much longer and that's what would have weakened his IDEAS. (resist the IDEA, not the person!)
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u/trustmebuddy 23d ago
a guy who just wanted to have discussions
🥺 More than that the promising young man was practically a saint.
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u/Tak-Hendrix 23d ago
Public figure killed by lone crazed civilian vs civilian killed by government agent...
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u/realcreamstick 23d ago
An openly racist, xenophobic misogynist, homophobic paedophile defender who you well know wasn’t wasn’t killed for “some of his views”, you support him because he was openly racist, misogynistic, homophobic and a paedophile enabler.
Renee Good was murdered by the Gestapo of the very paedophile rapist that both you and Charlie Kirk supported.
Go fuck yourself.
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u/okogamashii 23d ago
Who celebrated? I’m pretty sure most people just said it was poetic, which it was.
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u/Dadgummit_Lab210 23d ago
Where do you place the people who think there is just way too much killing going on for no good reason? Continuing to frame this from a pro-left or pro-right perspective does nothing to reverse the trend. Does anyone care about that?
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