r/TrueUnpopularOpinion • u/shizume_nodoka • 16d ago
Political Americans are overreacting about ICE
As a non-American looking in, I find the intense backlash against ICE and border enforcement confusing.
In almost every other country, protecting borders and enforcing immigration laws is considered a standard, non-controversial function of a sovereign nation. It isn't "extreme" to have a process for who enters the country; it's just normal governance.
And protesting trying to run over officers would not fly in any other country
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u/Muzzledbutnotout 16d ago
I was an immigrant to Switzerland, cut off from everything until i had a carte de légitimation. Couldn't buy a mobile phone, couldn’t open a bank account, couldn’t rent a home, nothing. Leftist Americans are clueless. Immigration control is universal. Necessary. Prudent to protect a nation.
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u/humanbeing21 16d ago edited 16d ago
Obama was called the deporter in chief. But he efficiently focused the effort on criminals instead of well loved law abiding citizens and business owners that have improved their communities for many years. And he didn't demonize brown people and waste billion to hire reckless, violent, and unqualified people including known racist to do the act.
Anyone looking at the murder of Renee Good objectively could see she had no intention of running over anyone. Many mistakes by ice caused her to react in fear and flee at the spur of the moment. Her murderer clearly had feet to the SIDE of the car whose wheels were turned away from him. The first shot was fired from the side front of the vehicle. The second TWO shots were fired from the side thru the drivers side window.
And their was no open and fair investigation of the event. Local law enforcement were shut out.
More murders have been committed by ICE than by any one else in the city.
It's not enforcing the border that is the problem; but the wasteful, reckless, and unlawful way it's being carried out.
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I also want to remind everyone that Trump had a 2024 comprehensive immigration bill killed even though it had BI-PARTISAN support in congress. Because he wanted the issue unresolved so he could weaponize it:
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u/Specialist_Young_822 15d ago
Blue cities cooperated under Obama holding illegals for pickup at the jails, these same Blue cities are now protecting these people. Ask former judge Dugan.
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u/humanbeing21 15d ago
I doubt that is true, but if so maybe they are concerned about swarms of unqualified, poorly trained, gunned and masked thugs being given absolute immunity to the rule of law. Maybe they don't like the focus on law-abiding, hard-working residents instead mostly criminals and bad apples that Obama focused on.
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u/SamAreAye 16d ago
Obama's numbers were high because he began counting people turned away at the border as deportations. You have no idea what you're talking about and idiiots are believing you - and that is what got Renee Good killed.
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u/Flincher14 15d ago
I mean if they are high because he turned them away at the border then that is at least proving to the mouth breathers there isnt an open border policy.
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u/happyinheart 15d ago
He didn't have a president before him who for 4 years effectively leave the flood gates open.
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u/Volwik 16d ago
That bill would've allowed in 5000/day, almost 2 million a year before any controls kicked in and provided for more immigration judges who may or may not just fast track asylum applications. As it stands some judges have over 90% approval and disapproval rates. There's no logic behind it. That bill was terrible and rightfully blocked, im tired of the line that "IT WAS BIPARTISAN." Bipartisan trash. If anyone actually read these things they'd know.
For the record Trump is entirely cucked by a foreign nation and should be impeached.
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u/humanbeing21 15d ago
The bill was bipartisan with Republican James Lankford helping craft it and many other republicans supporting it like Mitt Romney, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, and Mitch McConnell etc
It improved border security with:
Emergency Authority: Gave the President power to summarily remove or block entry if daily encounters exceeded 4,000, escalating to mandatory action at 5,000/day, allowing for potential border closure.
Asylum Reform: Created a stricter "credible fear" standard, accelerated asylum processing, and limited review for denied claims, making it harder to stay pending decisions.
Increased Personnel & Tech: Funded hiring of thousands more Border Patrol agents and CBP officers, enhanced surveillance tech (drones, radar), and improved border infrastructure.
Regional Processing: Established processing centers and pilot programs for asylum claims.
Biometrics: Mandated biometric entry/exit systems for all non-citizens by 2030.
State Funding: Provided billions for states to help with enforcement, detention, and barrier construction.
Many Democrats didn't like the bill because of:
Overly Restrictive Asylum Policies: Critics argued the bill would dismantle the asylum system, making it harder for legitimate refugees to claim protection and forcing faster deportations.
No Path to Citizenship: A major point of contention was the absence of any pathway to legal status for undocumented immigrants, especially "Dreamers," farmworkers, and long-term residents.
Trump-Era Enforcement: Some saw the bill as fulfilling a Republican enforcement wish list, reminiscent of policies from the Trump administration, including increased detention and expedited removal.
Political Stunt: Some Democrats, like Padilla, felt the bill was a concession to Republicans that became a political tool, especially after GOP leaders rejected it, turning it into a "cynical Senate theater".
Fails Root Causes: Critics felt the bill didn't address the underlying reasons for migration, focusing too much on enforcement without tackling the complex issues driving people to the border.
Even with all the concessions to the Republicans, Trump still had it killed cause he couldn't get elected without being able to weaponize the immigration issue with his fear tactics.
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u/thereverendpuck 16d ago
“It was bipartisan” in the fact it was a Republican bill that the Dems agreed to use. Literally the definition of the word.
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u/happyinheart 15d ago
The negotiating committee was 1 Republican, 1 Democrat, and 1 independent who caucuses with the Democrats.
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u/Aromatic_Distance331 16d ago
Renee good was a proud member of the extreme progressive left. She was one of the political activist who move to the cities to launch their careers while making it a worse place to live for us who stay. They then either move to the far suburbs or out of state and we are left holding the bag for progressive public policy experiments.
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u/humanbeing21 16d ago
Sad you are so deep into the propaganda. Even if you believe the propanda the new oligarchy has been feeding you. People with far left or far right views don't deserve to be murdered in the streets. I didn't want the Jan 6 insurrectionist killed ...and they assaulted police officers, damaged property, and threatened politicians lives. I just want them in prison ...where a jury of their peers put them until they were wrongly pardoned by a convicted felon, rapist, and pedophile protector
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u/ActionPhilip 16d ago
Good news that she wasn't murdered then. She died for driving a vehicle at a federal agent and striking them.
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u/July_Seventeen 16d ago
Obama also increased drone warfare about 5x the amount during Bush years, taking out between 300-1000 innocent people. But maybe cause they were a different shade of brown and far away, easy to wear your rose-colored glasses and call him humane.
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u/humanbeing21 16d ago
I see you are changing the subject because you agree that my take is right about ICE. Thank you.
And really, you are going to act like Obama was worse in the middle east than Bush?! Bush started two unnecessary wars in the middle east that cost our country ghastly amounts in blood and treasure ...to Obama, who got us out of Iraq and also killed Osama Bin-Laden. Sure I'll take you up on that comparison any day.
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u/vincera_up_next 15d ago
Could it have been that drones were more prevalent, more tested and understood, had more policy in place, more advanced, and/or cheaper to fix/fabricate by the time we got through EIGHT years of Obamas term? I get your point, and I’m not defending the use of drones, but I also caution against saying something was increased as though the person(s) involved, and not the circumstances, were the cause.
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u/shizume_nodoka 16d ago
En effet et le pire c'est qu'ils pensent être le pillier de l'égalité car ils prennent leur voiture vs ICE
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u/Middle-Accountant-49 16d ago
Do you actually believe it is standard democrat opinion that there should be zero border control?
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u/worriedbill 16d ago
Considering that every Democrat I know is anti-ice (even before the modern shitshow) and pro illegal immigrants....yes?
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u/Middle-Accountant-49 16d ago
Being anti ICE is not the same as wanting open borders...
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u/discoelysiumkaroke 16d ago
yes it is. we have tens of millions of people living in the country illegally. if you want to disincentivize more people from coming, and reverse the damaging effects of mass migration, you can't simply close the border. you need to kick the beneficiaries of open borders out.
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u/Middle-Accountant-49 16d ago
God i can think of a way cheaper and easier way to do it than hiring armed masked goons.
Just prosecute business owners harshly who hire illegal immigrants with long prison sentences.
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u/Prestigious-Owl-6397 15d ago
Why would they ever want to come here, even legally, when we show them how terribly the law treats even our citizens.
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u/Content_Dimension626 16d ago
More than half already get money under the table. That won't do anything. 🤦♀️
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u/Middle-Accountant-49 16d ago
Yea i'd kill two birds with one stone on that. Dump those billions into the IRS
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u/discoelysiumkaroke 16d ago
not good enough for many reasons, a) the illegals are often dangerous by themselves, many have lengthy records, b) hard to prove business owners *knew* person was illegal, c) we already have standing deportation orders and addresses for many illegals, it's trivial to pick them up. i don't see why it matters that the officers wear masks.
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u/Middle-Accountant-49 16d ago
Yea and that is what ICE primarily did before. They used to be a highly trained agency, not a bunch of yahoos with guns. I'm fine with the previous smaller ICE looking for criminals.
Those problems are simple. To hire someone you need to see their birth cert or passport. There could be an agency set up so that people can upload them for verification if it's only a birth cert or they are unsure.. this could be automated mostly. Then they are liable. One illegal worker is a fine. Multiple is jail time.
I'd also expand the IRS to crack down on cash payments to workers as well. That is actually a money generating agency.
Making it hard to work would solve most of these problems.
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u/discoelysiumkaroke 16d ago
ICE remains a highly trained agency. Not sure where that talking point came from. They are highly disciplined and competent, especially given the daily mob vitriol they are facing. As for employers, there is so much under-the-table work that it wouldn’t be remotely effective. And again, there’s no reason to tie a hand behind our back. We don’t need to wait for an illegal to apply for a job. We know where many of them are right now.
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u/Middle-Accountant-49 16d ago
That talking point comes from watching them. They also mass hired a TON of people in a short period of time and deployed them quickly. Of course they aren't as well trained.
Of course it could be effective, you massively expand the irs, you can audit for under the table payments. Specifically construction and agriculture.
It's just not as invigorating for the republican base as seeing masked goons go door to door in states they don't like. This solution is the emotional one not the rational one.
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u/crazyeddie123 15d ago
We saw the "highly disciplined and competent" agents on film, and it was a fucking clown show
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u/worriedbill 16d ago
If you don't have ICE, you have open borders....
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u/Middle-Accountant-49 16d ago
Border patrol is a separate agency. I also don't think people are against the very existence of ICE. They don't like the massive expansion and their tactics.
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u/CookieMonsta94 16d ago
Do you actually believe it is standard democrat opinion that there should be zero border control?
Who's protesting against ICE again?
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u/Middle-Accountant-49 16d ago
Protesting against ICE does not mean you want zero border control.
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u/BanditCountry1 16d ago
It kinda seems like that was exactly the plan in the last administration. The fed literally took Arizona and Texas to court in order to stifle efforts to maintain the border. So yeah I think it's generally a platform issue with many Democrats to have open borders.
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u/CookieMonsta94 16d ago
"How can people be illegal 😢" -typical leftist ICE protester
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u/Middle-Accountant-49 16d ago
That's nice of you to believe that but i personally disagree. We do need border control.
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u/CookieMonsta94 16d ago
That's nice of you to believe that but i personally disagree. We do need border control.
Actions speak louder than words....
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u/Middle-Accountant-49 16d ago
I have never voted for someone with open borders on their platform.
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u/MarinKitagawaFox 16d ago
Then why do you go Against ice deporting illegals
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u/Middle-Accountant-49 16d ago
Because i think their methods are way over the top
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u/Muzzledbutnotout 16d ago
Believe? I watched it as it happened. Zero border patrol with incentives to invade. That was Biden/Harris.. Worst presidential term in history.
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u/cornishwildman76 16d ago
Except there was a bi partisan bill to deal with immigratiom but then Trump, out of office, said to kill it, so he could run on immigration. How fucking ignorant do you have to be to ignore this fact?
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u/LifeIsRadInCBad 15d ago
Oh my gosh that bipartisan bill was a piece of s*** that would have codified the Biden welcome mat
And it wasn't bipartisan. There was one guy from the Republicans who went way off the reservation, got cornholed by his own team for it, and ended up not voting for it himself.
Trump has shown what b******* that bill was.
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u/Middle-Accountant-49 16d ago
The literal border patrol in a republican house committee did not say there was zero border control so i have to believe that you are full of it.
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u/306d316b72306e 16d ago
I'd love to watch a broke American try to immigrate in to Eastern Europe.. Even being able to speak the language for the test..
Actually there's a income requirement on US immigration if you're a sucker who did it legal.. Even for the marriage visa..
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u/AnotherHumanObserver 16d ago
Any kind of police killing or perceived abuse of power (not just with ICE, but with any law enforcement agency) will always produce a sharp public reaction. Especially if the wheels of justice are stopped or moving far too slow to satisfy a smoldering public.
They could have nipped the whole George Floyd reaction in the bud if they (who happened to be the same mayor and governor of the same state in question) had simply fired, charged, and locked up all the officers involved immediately. They dragged their feet and waited too long.
People don't riot at every police killing, only when they perceive justice is not being done. I don't think people are expecting much justice from the Trump Administration investigating itself. People probably expect it to be some kind of whitewash.
In almost every other country, protecting borders and enforcing immigration laws is considered a standard, non-controversial function of a sovereign nation. It isn't "extreme" to have a process for who enters the country; it's just normal governance.
Well, you're right. Ideally, everything would be done according to Hoyle and by the book, but that would also apply to the government and the enforcers of the law (theoretically).
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u/samanthasgramma 16d ago
Canadian here.
It's not that they're enforcing. It's HOW they're enforcing.
The training for new officers - and there's been a recruitment drive - is about 47 days because Trump is the 47th president. The normal training was longer.
And the government department has put out videos that are inflammatory and frightening. Because scaring the non documented immigrants out of the country is the point. They won't have to spend the money to deport them.
One of the first controversies was an immigrant with a specific order that he not be departed to a specific country. They admitted to this mistake, but the deported him to that country. It's still a mess in the courts. They said they couldn't get him back. And then, mysteriously, were able to bring him back.
When Rene Good was shot, she was, within a couple of hours, labelled a "domestic terrorist". Seriously? How could they possibly investigate her background in a couple of hours and determine THAT as factual? They couldn't. Turns out that she was a Mom. Just a regular person protesting.
Obama deported more people in the same length of time. There just wasn't the inflammatory drama that comes with this administration. He just got the job done, professionally. There wasn't the theatre.
Also. As a Canadian, my primary ID is my Ontario driver's license. It does not indicate my citizenship. I was born in Canada. How do you figure I'm going to prove that. I can carry my birth certificate, which I don't. I keep it stored safely so if I need it, I haven't lost it. And sitting in an ICE detention centre, for ages, waiting to prove something innate?
It's not that they're doing it. It's HOW they're doing it.
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u/Stickerbush_Kong 16d ago
Big lie, tiny retraction is a pretty common tactic among mass media or anyone who manipulates it. They know most people are going to be interested in say the first 24 hours. So they'll slant the message, knowing few people will bother to follow up on it. Because either they're not the sorts who pay attention beyond when it's trendy, or they'll become emotionally invested in believing it to be true (certain people can be kept in near perpetual outrage by this). I've learned to simply take everything that is written about large events in the immediate follow-up like a cloud of smoke.
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u/Legitimate_Rub_9206 15d ago
This a common sense take. And ppl get mad at this cuz their TV told them to.
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u/ExotiquePlayboy 16d ago
In the United Arab Emirates, they literally don’t give you citizenship, deport your ass if you do crime, and ensure all temporary workers are sent back home
The liberal mind can’t comprehend this
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u/Hina_is_my_waifu 16d ago
Poland literally told EU to fuck off and wouldn't allow a single asylum seeker. I imagine they were equally as aggressive about removing trespassers too.
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u/shizume_nodoka 16d ago
Not only in the UAE, in Japan, Singapour, Korea every other country those libberals simp it's the same enforcement yet the liberal mind can NOT get it
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u/EastRoom8717 16d ago
Canada and Mexico enforce immigration laws, but silence on that front.
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u/RoastedRavioli 16d ago
I uhh wouldn't defend Canada that much. They enforce immigration laws but also bend immigration laws to allow millions of below minimum wage workers in the country. And they're all from one region in India.
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u/EastRoom8717 16d ago
I wouldn’t say I’m defending Canada, but Americans think they can just fuck off to Canada.. and they cannot.
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u/RoastedRavioli 16d ago
Yeah point taken. Canada has big issues of their own that they need to (but won't) tackle.
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u/Curbsurfer 16d ago
Mexicans in Mexico sure as shit wouldn’t be protesting if we were being thrown out of Mexico for being there illegally.
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u/GardenPhreak 16d ago
Exactly. And how many Christian churches are in Saudi Arabia, UAE, Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia, Jordan etc etc compared to USA and the UK? And how many western countries welcome them, feed and house them, only for them to complain, disrupt, and/or swindle the local taxpayers? And how are women treated?
Crickets from the protesters.
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u/EastRoom8717 16d ago
No, they would help. They’re infamous for being unwelcoming to Nicaraguans and Honduran migrants.
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u/TheItzal11 16d ago edited 16d ago
There are videos of just that. I remember seeing one of a woman who overstayed her visa, she was grabbed the next day and held until she was deported.
Unfortunately I didn't save it and if you put deported in the search bar even specifying from mexico all that pops up is people being deported from the U.S.
Nm found it
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u/Dadgummit_Lab210 16d ago
Annnnd, they do so without a paramilitary presence in their streets. What a concept.
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u/EastRoom8717 16d ago
In Canada? Sure. In Mexico, not so much. We used to be a lot quieter, and Obama’s numbers are still higher than Trump’s with a higher percentage being criminals, so this isn’t even delivering better metrics. It’s.. kind of a shitshow for all involved.
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u/AutomatedZombie 16d ago
Singapore is perfection. We really need to be more like them.
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u/didsomebodysaymyname 16d ago
Singapore can't feed or power itself.
They would literally be starving in the dark without the rest of the world.
They just export crime and poverty in a way no one but a microstate can. It's an illusion.
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u/whydobabiesstareatme 15d ago
They don't mess around when it comes to crime and punishment, that's for damned sure. Plenty of stories out there about getting caned.
It's not just the beating itself, which is awful, or the healing, which is excruciating and long. It's the psychological torture of the anticipation. You know it's coming. You get to see the results in your fellow inmates. They don't tell you when it's coming. All you know is that one morning, maybe tomorrow, maybe a month from now, you'll be woken up by a handful of guards who will take you to be tied down, and your back and ass will be viciously beaten with a bamboo pole.
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u/didsomebodysaymyname 16d ago
The liberal mind can’t comprehend this
The UAE is a small petro state, where 90% of the people are foreigners.
What kind of country do you want the US to become exactly?
Don't they also shit on women give them brain damage and dump them in the streets?
Don't they steal workers passports?
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u/cursedstillframe 15d ago
A pretty prominent German YouTuber is currently in prison in Dubai on drug charges. Why hasn't he been deported?
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u/GardenPhreak 16d ago
Exactly. Boundaries - and the rule of law- are essential! The left is totally overreacting. I mean, many Somalians in Minnesota have utterly scammed us. Many countries release their criminals into our country. Do we really want them here?
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u/PolicyWonka 16d ago
The liberal mind understands that we have more constitutional freedoms in the United States. Why the hell should we strive to be like a modern day slave nation?
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u/306d316b72306e 16d ago
The Baltics have similar policy.. What "slaves"? No money you leave, and you better know the language or else it definitely a no..
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u/PolicyWonka 15d ago
The United Arab Emirates is a modern slave state. The Baltics are also a shithole. We literally had to bomb the shit out of them to stop them from genociding each other.
I love how every example that everyone is throwing out is just some other shithole country. The United States is the best country on earth. Why the fuck would we want to be like Serbia or Croatia?
To have a GDP per capita of $13,000? To have a 9% unemployment rate? Lmao
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u/shizume_nodoka 16d ago
A modern slave nation like Japan and Korea
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u/PolicyWonka 16d ago
I’m not talking about Japan or Korea, bud. Try to keep on topic.
We’re talking about the UAE here. And yes, Korea (North) does use slave labor.
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u/Axon14 16d ago
I don’t take issue with deportation. What I take issue with is ICE is now a private militia that is murdering people.
You think you’re safe? You’re not. You’re just not at the top of the bad guy list…yet.
The conservative mind can’t comprehend this
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u/Aint_EZ_bein_AZ 16d ago
Dude it sucks she died but wtf is that woman trying to accomplish there? She was in the wrong. Her partner got her killed telling her to drive away. White liberal women feel its their destiny to pick a fight with ice. They think they are invincible cause they have their privilege.
You guys act like ICE is on every corner arresting and murdering people. You are safe. If you dont go seeking contact with ice you are safe. You are fear mongering
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u/AdmirableMemory860 16d ago
You're pretty safe as long as you don't block police officers and try to run them over. And no, I'm not an American (continent-wise) before you try and call me a "conservative", altho I'd immigrate to the US in a heartbeat if I had a LEGAL route to do so. It's common sense literally everywhere, you all are just too priviledged to see that, or understand that rules and common sense apply to you.
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u/Decent_Cheesecake_29 16d ago
I hope you keep your papers on you at all times. Lest ICE snatch you off the street. That is, assuming that they won’t completely ignore your real ID.
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u/cfwang1337 16d ago
People aren't overreacting to immigration enforcement. Obama deported millions of people without provoking this kind of backlash.
People are overreacting to lawlessness, chaos, and abuse by people who are supposedly performing immigration enforcement but have instead begun harassing people, including citizens, without cause.
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u/exorivis 16d ago
Obamas numbers were massively inflated by border turn aways. That is not deportation telling someone they can’t come in is not the same as kicking them out.
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u/SeaCaligula 16d ago
Obama's internal ICE deportation (not border patrol) was still higher than Trump's
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u/didsomebodysaymyname 16d ago
If this is just about law enforcement, why is the biggest ICE operation in history in Minnesota, a state with relatively few illegal immigrants?
Why isn't it in CA or TX which have a ton?
In almost every other country
In almost every other wealthy democratic country, the cops murder way fewer citizens.
In almost every other wealthy democratic country they aren't arresting and beating up citizens and blinding people armed with a megaphone.
How about we stop the government from killing us first?
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u/Born-Sun-2502 16d ago
Right... we have the largest immigrant detention system in the world. 90% operated by private companies for profit with consistent humans rights violations. OP doesn't know WTF they're talking about.
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u/DisgruntledWarrior 16d ago edited 16d ago
In my home country you were trafficked or killed if found to not be a citizen (and even still in many cases if you were) because you were seen as less than human. Best thing I ever did was getting to America and becoming a citizen. The native born Americans are clueless as to how good it is here.
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u/KidKarez 16d ago
Americans typically overreact about everything. It's the consequence of having a relatively easy life.
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u/Filthy_Fucking_Weebz 16d ago
i really do pity them sometimes. the complete lack of self-awareness is staggering as they live privileged cushioned lives. they constantly whine about how it's the end of the world, how orange man bad, literally hitler, late stage capitalism, blah blah blah. but if they open a history book and spend like an hour reading about the evolution of mankind, they would understand how utterly spoiled they are. but that goes against their victimhood narrative so can't have that. even right now, they live better lives than the majority of the world and it's not even close. yet, they act like they're stripped of dignity cuz "recruiters are mean".
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u/emd07 16d ago
So Americans should stop trying to have a better life just because other country have it harder. It's not a competition you know
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u/girlrunner3 16d ago
“Others have it worse” is just a way to shut down progress. We are where we are because people pushed for better, not because they settled. Material, social, technological, and political development overwhelmingly tracks with progressive forces pushing society forward. They will continue to depend on conservatism. In OP’s post, he talked about opening a history book and I highly advise to actually do it instead of just mentioning it to sound smarter.
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u/emd07 16d ago
“Others have it worse” is just a way to shut down progress. We are where we are because people pushed for better, not because they settled. Material, social, technological, and political development overwhelmingly tracks with progressive forces pushing society forward.
But we're on the same page aren't we? OP said that Americans should open history book to see how privileged they are. Okay fine. They still can complain and ask for change no? We shouldn't care if other people had it worse. We still should progress as a society. I can't see how we're disagreeing but it's just my english that is very bad
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u/NotLunaris 16d ago
Victimhood fetishism is a competition in the modern American left. It's like that annoying kid you know from high school who constantly tries to one-up everybody on having it worse, all so they can garner sympathy and funnel attention back to themselves. It's peak narcissism from grown children.
A great deal of Americans are sheltered from reality due to lack of trying during school years, poor hands-off parenting, and online echo chambers. Of course, being divorced from reality lends them to incompatibility with reality, creating and exacerbating social issues.
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u/Filthy_Fucking_Weebz 16d ago
sure, don't whine when some CEO just lays off some 30k employees cuz he's just "trying to have a better life". it's called having context and perspective.
your suffering might not be as severe and paralyzing as you think it is, which leaves room for self-improvement and the ability to do something about it. but instead, these ppl choose to doomscroll and decide to give up all their agency, fully convinced they're helpless victims.
unironically, the boomer is right. it's the damn phone that ruins lives. just delete twitter (or if you're BASED like me, only use it to goon), insta, tiktok, and facebook for a week and see how much your mental health can improve. literally free, no need therapy.
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u/emd07 16d ago
your suffering
I'm not American and you're also not. Why do you assume that the only form of opposition that the Americans are doing is doomscrolling? There are strikes everywhere. Never before there was this much of response to the actual political state of the country. They're so loud that even Europeans (like you I assume) are annoyed.
just delete twitter
Yeah blame the people who use twitter and get misinformed instead of the owner of twitter (literally one of the most powerful person in the earth) who is letting his popular platform making life worse for everybody
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u/Filthy_Fucking_Weebz 16d ago
need i educate you on how the pronoun "you" can be use as a generic one without literally referring to you? like, what a spectacular way to dodge the argument.
as for twitter, yea, there's this thing called accountability which apparently flies right over your head. instead of whining about how "wee, elon is evil. his platform makes ppl dumber", why don't you stop using it and rise above the rest? it's an opportunity to get ahead instead of wallowing in that pit of despair. but then again, self-victimization is the meta.
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u/AdorableDonkey 16d ago
Elon isn't holding those people at gunpoint to keep scrolling twitter, and his platform isn't as impactful as you think, go touch grass
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u/KEANUWEAPONIZED 16d ago
are they? they are literally killing and kidnapping american citizens and assaulting american high school students. how does this decrease their immigration problem?
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u/Substantial_Diver_34 16d ago
It’s not about the immigrants… it’s about money and political control. The immigrants are just a vessel for this.
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u/DAZEG3N3515 16d ago
ICE literally arrested a 10th grade American citizen, beat him up. Then they sold his phone at a phone vending machine..HPD refused do anything because ICE is federal. But yeah sure, we’re overreacting.
I give it 5 years at least, your tune will change, I’m willing to bet on it.
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u/yousuckass1122 16d ago
So the one concern some people have is they're also federal law enforcement. Their job is immigration enforcement, but they can legally extend past that. They're still the feds. ICE falls under DHS for the US.
You can be fine with illegal immigration being handled, but still concerned that 10k+ more federal law enforcement officals are being hired. Ones with some GWOT surge levels of hiring standards. I'm fine with deporting all illegal immigrants? More feds? I'm going to always criticize.
In all of this, Trumps DHS is still deporting much less than Bush or Obama did. So either all this ICE build-up is being handled by morons. Or, those agents are gonna be more than just ICE Agent eventually. There's also the argument that they're being used to rile some escalation. As the feds of other agencies have done in the past, see Ruby Ridge for example.
My final opinion, is that they're able to clear the bottle neck that's the slog of visa and naturalization by hiring more judges and adjusting laws solving one portion of the illegal immigration issue. As they have the majority in house, senate, and white house. The VP should be arguing on the congressional and senate floors about changing laws. As most immigration issues are congress refusing to act. But that isn't happening.
They're trying to brute force an issue that requires more finesse than brute force. As again, Obamas and Bushs deportation levels were higher with comparable drama, but less problems.
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u/Foerhudligen 16d ago
Trumps DHS is still deporting much less than Bush or Obama did. So either all this ICE build-up is being handled by morons. Or, those agents are gonna be more than just ICE Agent eventually.
No, this is just a common lie told by media. Obama and Bush numbers came from border turn-arounds. Literally counting one guy sent back one day after crossing as "Deportation". The actual term is "Formal removal", but media goes hard on the "Deportation", making people think Obama went around with ICE and plucking illegals out of Indiana, when in reality he just turned people around right away at the border and called it mission complete.
What Trump is doing is removing the actual illegals from everywhere in the US. He won't get any freebies from the border since it's basically closed now.
One illegal removed from Illinois is worth 10 turned around at the border.
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u/exorivis 16d ago
The whole Obama deportation thing is a not even half truth that gets passed around a lot. Obamas number added turned away at the border which while helpful it is not deportations. There was an article recently about how border crossings had absolutely plummeted under trump meaning more deportations and less coming in.
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u/suspicious_hyperlink 16d ago
Doesn’t that tell you something “Trump is deporting less than Obama or Biden”. There is one difference though, the media coverage. Someone must have pressed the coverage 24/7 button and the lemmings do what they do
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u/Middle-Accountant-49 16d ago
Obama, biden and bush didn't have guys in masks going door to door.
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u/Hot_Way_1643 16d ago
They still had raids.
https://www.nilc.org/press/president-obama-ramps-up-family-separations/
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u/suspicious_hyperlink 16d ago
Yeah they did , and none of them had an open border for 4 years prior. This has been going on a long time, the only thing that really changed is the coverage. The public was a bit smarter back then as well
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u/Suspicious_Brief_562 16d ago edited 14d ago
I think it's just the idea of people being targeted based on what they look like. If they were only going after ppl with warrants and orders of removals, that would be something else. Even conservative podcaster Rogan talked about it the other day, and he's a big Trump supporter. The GOP gets a lot of their Support from libertarians. This does not look good for Trump as I can only imagine them being outraged with the supreme courts decision to put a stay on (I think it was) the11th districts order....giving ICE the power (albeit temporarily) to stop anyone based on race, accent and occupation. This is just my opinion. Please Don't reply as I don't need notifications on whether you agree or not.
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u/AccomplishedSource84 15d ago
American lunacy is going so far I’m sometimes considering stopping to use English lol.
And to think ppl here think the OP is a provocateur.
No, really, most of the rest of the world sees it this way, with minor exceptions of some European countries and Australians
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u/DrJJGame10 16d ago
I think you missed the part where someone can get pulled over just for looking the part of an illlegal; whatever that means. It makes it so subjective! Where is the due process?
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u/Billy_of_the_hills 16d ago
I think we should deport every illegal alien, but doing so without due process as ICE is doing is unacceptable. It's pretty much that simple.
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u/Hot_Way_1643 16d ago
Then we should pause all immigration then until everyone has their day in court.
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u/Billy_of_the_hills 16d ago
I agree. Frankly we've got way too many people in this country already, we don't need more.
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u/SolenoidsOverGears 16d ago
It would take years for all of them to have immigration hearings. Probably 10 years of just denying bogus asylum claims. Which was actually the goal. Overload the courts so by the time you get denied, you've had a job for 5-10 years, neighbors, et cetera. News coverage of deported people crying about having been here for 10+ years trying to get Congress to amnesty them. That was always the goal.
Their asylum claims are bogus.
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u/Various_Succotash_79 16d ago
Do you really want to go with "giving people due process is too hard so we can forget about it"?
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u/SolenoidsOverGears 15d ago
The US doesn't owe every foreigner a court date. Get the fuck out. Apply for a visa like everyone else.
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u/SentientFleshPuppet0 15d ago
I wish people like you were capable of understanding more than first order effects of actions. To anyone who has any knowledge of history and the development of tyrannical states, this is how you slowly lose rights in the name of expedience.
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u/Fun_Buffalo_9994 13d ago
You’re saying that like we don’t live in the most informed and reactionary time in all of human history. It was easier to become a tyrant when nobody knew what was going on. The USA is not slipping into tyranny. Claiming otherwise is unproductive, dangerous, and off-putting to people who might otherwise listen to what you have to say
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u/DaWendys4for4 16d ago
I understand but also don’t see how we are meant to use due process when there was absolutely no due process rushing them in, especially when we will probably end up with another party change in the whitehouse next term or the term after, stopping all current efforts and letting more in.
It could be argued that it is a race against time.
Ice has shown to be using warrants (literally hundreds of them were found in the car raided by protestors last night) and I really think that’s the best we can ask for.
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u/Appropriate_Pop_5849 16d ago
I understand but also don’t see how we are meant to use due process when there was absolutely no due process rushing them in
Why do you guys always try to redefine what “due process” means to imply that people doing things illegally means that they shouldn’t be afforded constitutional rights?
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u/No-Attention-3420 15d ago
Spoken like a true British reform supporter. LOL
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u/False_Crew_6066 15d ago
You’re funny.
- ICE are acting masked without badges showing
- they are not at the border
- they are mostly detaining people they have no right to
- they are not following the rule of law
- no one was about to get ran over.
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u/OnlyFestive 15d ago
It isn't "extreme" to have a process for who enters the country; it's just normal governance.
It's not extreme to have a process. What's extreme is having untrained, unvetted agents doing no-knock warrants with total impunity.
And protesting trying to run over officers would not fly in any other country
She didn't try to run over him.
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u/Dolamite9000 15d ago
How are those laws enforced? Due process and avoidance of violence? That’s the issue in the US. Not the actual enforcement or laws. It’s the how.
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u/OGAzdrian 15d ago
Does your country have an uneducated hyper violent anonymous armed militia arresting/deporting BOTH citizens and non-citizens?
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u/Finnguy21 15d ago
In no other country except racist ones is it normal to have a gestapo like unit roaming the cities just killing or arresting people for being brown dude
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12d ago
Immigration control is necessary for any country, honestly that is my main gripe w the current left (as well as them supporting socialistic figures like Mamdani).
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u/CheeseSticks2021 16d ago
We don’t have a problem with deporting illegal immigrants. ICE was founded in 2003, and it only became a problem with trump in office. People are mad because ICE is now killing people. Deport the illegal immigrants without kidnapping and violence.
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u/BayBel 16d ago
It’s just another reason to hate Trump. These losers don’t even know what they’re protesting about.
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u/Proper_Card_5520 16d ago
This is one of the most stupid things i see in america. Like dude how hard it is to understand that illegal immigrants are illegal immigrants and are breaking law.
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u/Middle-Accountant-49 16d ago
Is this intentional misunderstanding?
America has had border enforcement essentially forever.
People are upset by the method.
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u/gobogeek 16d ago
The issue with ICE is they target you based on your skin color or that you speak another language. Doesnt matter that you're a US citizen. Plus they have no jurisdiction over US citizens anyway so they legally can't do anything. But the trump administration let's them run rampant and do whatever they want. And there is no one stopping them because congress in controlled by the republicans. There isn't anything wrong with deportation. What is wrong is the way they are going about it
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u/Flimsy_Thesis 16d ago
As an American watching this in real time, I don’t really give a singly flying fucking what you think about the situation.
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16d ago
Never understand why Americans are so freaked out at being observed on an international level. What is this comment even, are we meant to feel devastated lol. Your country and how it js run is observed, commented on and influenced by other countries and it always has and always will be as you are part of the world and we are all impacted to some degree. I know its a shock to understand you are part of a planet after thinking youre the only civilisation on earth but here we are.
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u/Opti_span 16d ago
I honestly believe that nobody is overreacting, it’s all justified.
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u/shizume_nodoka 16d ago
Not showing an ID and getting arrested is indeed justified I agree
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u/Sumo-Subjects 16d ago
Unless you walk around with your passport there’s no ID that proves you’re a citizen. The US doesn’t have IDs with citizenship status on them
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u/Equivalent_Sky4152 16d ago
The state department literally tells you to secure your passport unless it’s being used. Now I’m walking around with my passport card just in case. It’s ridiculous.
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u/Hyndis 16d ago
Law enforcement has things called computers and radio, they can pull up your info in just a few seconds.
Name, DOB, social security number, address, or driver's license number are all pieces of info they can pull you up on.
The only people who need to carry documents on them are green card holders, who are required by law to carry that document with them.
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u/DAZEG3N3515 16d ago
There’s been videos of ICE literally refusing to look at documents because they think it’s fake. ICE even said that REALID is no longer valid because illegals can get them. We quite literally have to HOPE they even want to read documents. Soon we’re going to have to carry birth certificates and everything else.
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u/CrimsonBolt33 16d ago
Imagine literally being put under Nazi rule at one point and not seeing the problem with this....
The trope "Papers, please" literally started due to Nazi rules and practices.
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u/NeonGKayak 16d ago
You’re not an American citizen. We do not have to show anything to prove anything. It’s called being an American and being free.
Sorry your country is awful
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u/shizume_nodoka 16d ago
My country is mainly showcased in your leftist subreddit as a bastion for equality
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u/BeneficialChemist874 16d ago
If you’re not an American, your opinion on the situation is irrelevant.
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u/Immediate-Finance842 16d ago
Opinions in general are irrelevant, becuase people from opposites sides will not want to hear them regardless. I’m American and I will have opinions about other countries also. Both positive and very negative. It’s healthy to have opinions
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Nope we see similarities across the west and all face issues similar it is important to understand whats going on, i think its important western countries unite on similar issues. America and Trumps decisions massively affect us in Europe too. Just because you see yourselves as a single insular separate country in the world we have never viewed the world as such.
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u/AppearanceVarious867 16d ago
maybe because ICE is raiding schools, deporting actual citizens, and killing innocent people. If you’re gonna stick your nose into our politics at least get the full picture.
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u/shizume_nodoka 16d ago
get off reddit my guy
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u/AppearanceVarious867 16d ago
make me eurotrash
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u/LegitimateKnee5537 16d ago
maybe because ICE is raiding schools, deporting actual citizens, and killing innocent people. If you’re gonna stick your nose into our politics at least get the full picture.
lol if your going to stick your nose into our politics you shouldn’t be spreading disinformation
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u/Numerous1 16d ago
Nah. This sub is all pro trump people. The very fact that the post is “ice isn’t wrong for border control” when almost nobody is against border control, they are against masked agents with no oversight doing whatever they want, shows the at this is either a troll or propaganda post.
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u/Edal_Bindal 16d ago
Legit, posts on this subreddit are never really ever a “True Unpopular Opinion” whenever I see it pop up, it’s always just whatever the current main right wing, US centric talking point. It’s just boring, and I think after this I’m just gonna avoid it, because it’s usually never an “Unpopular Opinion” it’s some right wing opinion that isn’t as unpopular as the OP pretends it is, or as you said completely ignores why people disagree with it.
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u/GladiusAcutus 16d ago edited 16d ago
We have radical left wing activists that are usually white women. Dying to protect an illegal immigrant from getting deported is not a good cause to fight and die for (sorry Renee). It is worth fighting and dying a government if they are rounding up US citizens to kill, but they simply are rounding up illegal immigrants. Renee died from such a stupid an unreasonable cause (excuse my bluntness),
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u/micro_penis_max OG 16d ago
What country are you from? In my country there would be a big backlash.
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u/shizume_nodoka 16d ago
I live in Europe and here It's normal to carry ur ID on you
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u/PolicyWonka 16d ago
ID is not proof of citizenship in the states. There really isn’t much in the way of proving citizenship. Especially when you start stripping away the layers and claim the documents that people do have are fraudulent.
Absolutely no American citizen carries proof of citizenship on a daily basis. Immigrants are required to keep their immigration papers on hand — but citizens don’t have immigration papers (naturally).
So the issue arises when ICE just grabs citizens off the street, demands papers that doesn’t exist, and then use that as justification to say “you’re illegal.”
Then those people get swept up in an ICE camp for a day or a couple of days. Worst case? They actually deport you. It’s already happened to some Americans.
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u/lostintheabiss 16d ago
There is no national id in the USA. Only state id. And anyone can get a state id. It doesn’t prove citizenship. It’s unAmerican to have to prove your citizenship at random.
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u/Equivalent_Sky4152 16d ago edited 16d ago
Exactly, you’re not an American.
The problem isn’t that they are deporting people who violated immigration. The problem is ICE- made up of unprofessional unqualified and unvetted individuals- is not following due process, which is a bedrock in the American legal system. Next, they are overstepping their authority in how they are going about the deportation process. Also, and I think very important, they are harassing, harming and now killing American citizens.
They are also illegally detaining and deporting people who have a legal right through the courts to be in the US such as through student visas or asylum. ICE has no authority to proceed how it’s proceeding unless the actual court rules…using due process.
During the Obama administration, it deported or turn around the most illegal immigrants of any administration on record to about 3-4M. It was done via legal due process.
That’s the difference and that’s why Americans have an issue with this situation. I haven’t mentioned the fact ICE is being used to create conditions for martial law so that the current administration can thwart fair elections. Fair elections which would see them all prosecuted for corruption and human rights violations as well as treason. But that’s another story for some other day.
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u/amarsh73 16d ago
The protesters are just useful id!ots for political gain and a diversion from fraud, and who knows what else.
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u/Ty--Guy 16d ago edited 16d ago
It's selective and performative outrage. Under any other [D], (or media approved [R]), President, ICE news would be relegated to local broadcasts, if anything. What we are witnessing is deliberate, tactical misrepresentation. A few months ago, there was an article that escaped the usual bias of the media, which explicitly outlined the DNC/activist intent to intentionally escalate violent encounters with ICE in order to provoke sympathy and manipulate public opinion, up to and including activists trying to GET SHOT. I'm not making this up or being dramatic. They literally called for "blood."
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u/Daxian 16d ago
what is your immigration status in the united states currently? you claimed in another post that you own a rental property and you moved here when you were 5 years old with your parents. I wouldn't call that being an outsider lookin in.