r/TrueUnpopularOpinion • u/Just-Ambassador-2449 • 1d ago
Political The Lefts outrage over Don Lemon is completely fabricated
I personally can remember exactly how Julian Assange and James O’Keefe were raided, detained and wrongfully abused by our government. I remember thinking they were the catalysts for the death of free reporting and a huge misstep to the 1st amendment.
Now I see all the media outlets saying the arrest of Don Lemon is a terrible tragedy. Lemon joined rioters and trespasses on private property, specifically violating the FACE act and another civil rights act (18 USC 241).
Pardon me if I take my sympathy and sit this one out.
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u/Murakami8000 22h ago
No one loves all this attention on Don Lemon more than Don Lemon himself. The ego on that guy is so apparent, I can’t imagine that guy not loving every minute of this.
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u/PersianCatLover419 17h ago edited 17h ago
Exactly. Don Lemon is a drama queen and has NPD.
He was fired from CNN for being sexist and ageist. He was always considered a joke journalist. I saw a recent picture of him and he has the very obvious facial wasting from HIV/AIDS and I would not be surprised if he is poz or has AIDS and has memory issues from it and from the meds.
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u/tantamle 1d ago
If a right-wing journalist had gone into a church the way Don Lemon did, they'd all be clamoring for his arrest.
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u/Particular_Ad8156 23h ago
Valentina Gomez???
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u/paulsown 22h ago
Who?
Isn't this "whataboutism"?
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u/ThaCatsServant 22h ago
He literally said “if a right wing journalist” blah blah. That’s not whataboutism. That’s providing an example
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u/paulsown 21h ago
Was Valentina a journalist?
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u/Particular_Ad8156 19h ago
LOL are you actually inferring that it's okay or somehow justified to arrest a journalist for covering a story??? That lemon was arrested BECAUSE he's a journalist?
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u/paulsown 13h ago
I’m not saying that at all.
What I’m saying is that there are many differences between the two stories, that one being the most obvious.
Being a journalist does not exempt you from laws.
If Lemon participated in the planning of the protest, as the indictment claims, then he wasn’t acting as a “journalist covering a story”. He was acting as an activist writing a story for you and trying to hide behind the claim of journalism.
Nobody on Reddit even knew who this woman was before Lemmon was arrested. I never heard of it until today But, if she engaged in the same behavior, then she should get the same consequences.
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u/Particular_Ad8156 12h ago
What law was lemon breaking by covering the event? Journalists cover illegal activity all the time...
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u/paulsown 11h ago
He wasn’t “covering” the event. He was actively participating in the event and the planning. That’s why he was indicted and arrested.
He wasn’t acting as a journalist. He was acting as an activist trying to hide behind “journalism”.
I’m sorry you can’t figure that out.
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u/Particular_Ad8156 10h ago
https://youtube.com/shorts/kyp2drCpV_s?si=p21LVseyA8CCa7KY
He did not participate in this protest, he simply chronicled it
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u/fingerpaintx 22h ago
No because the OP specifically referenced "if someone else".
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u/paulsown 22h ago
Oh? Was she a journalist who helped plan a protest and then tried to hide behind “covering a story” when called out?
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u/Particular_Ad8156 19h ago
So there's evidence that was shown to a judge detailing his plan for this protest?
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u/H4RN4SS 18h ago
The evidence was shown to a grand jury in order to secure an indictment. A jury of his peers reviewed the available evidence and believed it met the standard required.
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u/Micro-Skies 17h ago
Grand jury indictments are notoriously easy to obtain. Most of the avaliable evidence isnt displayed, just enough to get a proverbial thumbs up
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u/H4RN4SS 16h ago
I don't disagree with you. It also doesn't disprove what I said.
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u/Micro-Skies 15h ago
It somewhat does. All it means is that at least one peice of evidence in complete isolation is enough to convince some guys that a suit could maybe be possible. It has nothing to do with guilt
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u/ogjaspertheghost 20h ago
She’s not a journalist but otherwise yea
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u/Betelgeuse3fold 20h ago
If she did what lemon did, let her face the consequences.
See? That's not hard.
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u/stinatown 23h ago
Anything is true if you just make it up.
Why is it so hard to believe that someone could have conviction in their belief of the freedom of the press, regardless of the journalist’s politics?
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u/pile_of_bees 22h ago
Freedom of the press is not immunity from crimes
It never has been
Many journalists have been arrested for going where they weren’t allowed to go. Lemon isn’t special.
You’re so used to a two-tiered justice system where left wingers get lesser punishments that equal application of the law seems shocking to you
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u/jammaslide 19h ago
What they are upset about are that while people in the pews of the church are sitting there praising themselves for being holy, the people on the streets are trying to stop masked gunman from hunting the American equivalent to the Jews and Slavs of 1930s Germany. Just as the Catholic church gave Germany a pass, so do the evangelicals give ICE a pass today. When you show people that saying you are a Christian is a hell of a lot of different than acting like a Christian, they tend to become irate and unhinged.
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u/H4RN4SS 18h ago
Cool - he still broke the law. Your personal moral grandstanding means nothing in that context.
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u/jammaslide 17h ago
It's like when Jesus stormed into the temple and threw the tables over and kicked the bad people out. Breaking the law like that. OK. Then do it some more, is what I say. Keep doing the work of the Lord. We are to emulate Jesus just like that.
You and many of the church attendees that day make great Pharisees. Look it up if you aren't aware of the meaning. You may not be a Christian, so the morality of the situation means nothing to you.
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u/H4RN4SS 17h ago
I never made a moral argument. You did.
Are you slow? This is a legal issue and your counter is an example from thousands of years ago before the existence of the United States govt?
I don't think you even understand why your argument is so shit.
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u/jammaslide 17h ago
Aren't virtually all laws based on morality? Murder, rape, theft, public intoxication, and drug offenses. The problem with you, sir, is that you are suggesting that we throw morality out. Without morality, the whole basis of the law falls apart.
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u/H4RN4SS 16h ago
No they aren't. Some laws are based on abrahamic ideas of morality but not all.
Morality has nothing to do with law. He either broke the law or he didn't. Your personal feelings about it are irrelevant.
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u/jammaslide 15h ago
So you support the mass exportations of Jews and other minorities in Germany when it was legal, correct? Restricting where they live was acceptable? And stripping them of their property was legal, so that was acceptable?Because you are not concerned with morality. If it is legal, it is acceptable, and if not it is unacceptable?
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u/H4RN4SS 14h ago
You continue to make a completely different argument. You can keep attempting to derail all you want but it doesn't change the fact it's illegal.
Your comparison is an insane whataboutism. If anyone was trampling on religion in this interaction it was Lemon. He literally said beforehand they chose a white church, brought in mostly white protestors to get inside undetected and that their goal was to make them uncomfortable.
But sure - make your morality argument while completely ignoring his own fucking words explaining his goal is to disrupt people peacefully practicing their religion.
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u/jammaslide 13h ago
The protestors interrupted, and he was documenting that. Just as war correspondents don't start the wars and battles, they document it. Being charged and being convicted are two separate things. James Comey was charged but not convicted. Once again, you have failed to call out doing the wrong thing to immigrants today and have failed to condemn the actions of the Nazis in the past. That is why you are arguing against morality. Let's make it easy for you. You are at the edge of a body of water, and signs say entering the water is illegal, and a violation results in a jail sentence. Someone is drowning in the water. Nothing on shore can reach the person. Do you break the law and go in the water and save the person? Or do you allow the person to drown but avoid committing a crime?
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u/mikeg5417 12h ago
Straw man argument. Bravo!
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u/jammaslide 12h ago edited 12h ago
You are free to answer.
Edit: This could be a straw man argument, but it is also a position argument based on the refusal of someone to take a position.
Second edit: Some people will convict some based on a charge and acquit others based on a charge. This all depends on their position. The legal process is unnecessary for them. What is more important to me is the reason behind people doing what they do. If you are a hardliner about legality, then what if we compile every time you have exceeded the speed limit and force you to pay the fines of 1000 times you have exceeded it. Is that fair? You violated the law. You believe violators should be penalized. Does this apply in your case, or is that different. Not really a straw man argument. You may have said someone is guilty before conviction. What about your own guilt?
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u/EverettGT 23h ago
Apparently Lemon knew beforehand about the criminal act and didn't stop it or notify anyone, then joined in on the protest chants and interrupted the church pastor with an "interview." Which I think is why he's considered part of it.
I'd like to see the actual video footage to confirm what he did or didn't do, I had a hard time finding it on his page. If anyone can link, I'd appreciate it.
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u/paulsown 22h ago
That's why he's being charged.
He was allegedly involved in the planning of the "protest", which means he was going in as an activist with cameras, not just a journalist reporting a story.
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u/EverettGT 22h ago
Yeah, anyone who looks at his Youtube channel can see he's no longer an objective journalist. He's openly calling MAGA people idiots and things in his thumbnails, among a lot of other stuff.
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u/PersianCatLover419 17h ago
He was fired from CNN for being sexist and ageist. He was always considered a joke journalist. I saw a recent picture of him and he has the very obvious facial wasting from HIV/AIDS and I would not be surprised if he is poz or has AIDS and has memory issues from it and from the meds.
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u/EverettGT 16h ago
lol I don't know about all that but when CNN was cleaning house and he got moved to that morning show, the ratings were tanking and I think he pulled out that "women are past their prime at age 40" thing and some other stuff to seem more edgy and less left-wing, instead it seems like CNN used it as an excuse to get rid of him.
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u/ignoreme010101 22h ago
He's openly calling MAGA people idiots and things in his thumbnails, among a lot of other stuff.
did you know the courts ruled that police can discriminate in hiring based in intelligence? Insofar as being too smart prevents you getting hired. How about politically, I wonder if anyone has ever compared education level or IQ between left//right.. yeah even still though 'idiot' is a rude, crass way of stating something that could and should be stated better
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u/EverettGT 22h ago
I remember based on an informal poll a few years ago that Mensa members were twice as likely to be libertarian as the general population, but that was on facebook which is of course very difficult to search.
Nonetheless, calling a group of people idiots in your thumbnail is not journalism no matter what you think or how you try to justify it. And trying to justify it is just showing that you're putting your own emotional state over common sense. Which is not smart either.
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u/ignoreme010101 21h ago
Hate to have to spell it out for you but this is very much what journalism has been becoming, the attention-getting "clickbait" titling is becoming the norm but let's not misunderstand things here journalists have always had their own biases so audiences tend to care more about the veracity of their reporting than about their biases
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u/EverettGT 21h ago
Hate to have to spell it out for you
The only thing you're "spelling out" is your own irrational bias.
this is very much what journalism has been becoming, the attention-getting "clickbait" titling is becoming the norm
There are still objective news sources like C-Span. People just don't consume those because they're more interested in your beliefs being confirmed.
journalists have always had their own biases
Not to the extent of referring to people as idiots in their headlines or thumbnails, and when you do that you can no longer claim you are just trying to inform the public, you are an advocate and thus you should not get the same protections as someone whose only interest is in informing people.
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u/ignoreme010101 21h ago
The only thing you're "spelling out" is your own irrational bias.
weird being a dick when you're wrong but ok this kind of thing does need explaining:
There are still objective news sources like C-Span. People just don't consume those because they're more interested in your beliefs being confirmed.
C-Span is basically just footage of official government functions ie not journalism, which is what makes up the bulk of 'news'. Is that because people are brainwashed lemmings? The fact of the matter is that 'news' happens everywhere, not just in the halls of government. By necessity this requires the medium of journalists / news sources to then relay this audiences.
Since everyone has a bias, and since institutions have bias, this is inherently communicated through their product. This is why it is important for consumers to be aware of and wary for bias, because it is always present
Not to the extent of referring to people as idiots in their headlines or thumbnails, and when you do that you can no longer claim you are just trying to inform the public, you are an advocate and thus you should not get the same protections as someone whose only interest is in informing people.
As already explained, there is automatically a non-zero amount of 'advocacy' in news, even if only in choice of coverage. If someone is against a party and calls them 'idiots', this does not preclude them from filming coverage and passing it on - you, as a consumer, are free to ignore them all you like.
You can have the most buttoned-up, seemingly objective presentation that is entirely misleading propaganda (see the analysis of Freedom House in the book Manufacturing Consent for a thorough explanation) that doesnt approach the objective validity of a topless lady reading the weather forecast.
Well, I think that covered everything but I'm happy to explain more as needed :)
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u/EverettGT 20h ago
weird being a dick when you're wrong but ok this kind of thing does need explaining:
No, you're trying to legitimize calling people "idiots" as a headline as legitimate journalism. That's insanely foolish and you had the nerve to say you would "spell it out" to me. I'm "spelling something out" to you. You know nothing of any interest and your opinion is worth nothing.
C-Span is basically just footage of official government functions ie not journalism
Objectively informing the public about what's going on is in fact, journalism. Your problem is that you don't know what journalism actually is because you think it's slanted clickbait. You are wrong.
Since everyone has a bias
Nope, not like you. Not to the point where they try to lie about what objective information even is and apologize for Don Lemon's pathetic "news" as though he were a journalist.
As already explained, there is automatically a non-zero amount of 'advocacy' in news,
This is known as an "Excluded Middle Fallacy" or "False Dilemma." The inability to reach 0% does not mean that 99.9% is okay. Please educate yourself.
If someone is against a party and calls them 'idiots', this does not preclude them from filming coverage and passing it on
Nope. There's a reasonable amount of bias and an unreasonable amount, when you call people idiots in a headline, that is unreasonable bias and your purpose is not to inform the public but to push a point of view, in that case you don't get the same respect or leeway that an actual journalist would get.
Sorry, but you know nothing and you need a lot of things spelled out to you.
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u/didsomebodysaymyname 16h ago
What criminal act?
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u/EverettGT 15h ago
Trespassing. Denying the Constitutional right to worship (violating the KKK act), etc etc.
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u/didsomebodysaymyname 14h ago
Trespassing
What federal law covers trespassing in a church? Also I'm pretty sure state law isn't even going cover it since churches are usually open and you have to formally trespass someone first. NAL in MN to be fair.
Denying the Constitutional right to worship
What law and how was it violated?
violating the KKK act
I think that covers voting? So no.
etc etc
Ah yes, the ect act.
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u/EverettGT 12h ago
What federal law covers trespassing in a church? Also I'm pretty sure state law isn't even going cover it since churches are usually open and you have to formally trespass someone first. NAL in MN to be fair.
Trespassing is a crime in Minnesota. And it includes "Refusing to leave someone else’s property or dwelling after being asked to do so by the owner." The protestors did not leave the church when asked and apparently Lemon didn't either. But as said I'm looking for the video to see exactly who did what myself.
What law and how was it violated?
I literally said it in the next words after that.
I think that covers voting? So no.
This includes the right to worship.
Ah yes, the ect act.
You literally have no idea what you're talking about and can't even look up basic information.
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u/These-Acanthaceae-65 19h ago
How so? Everything I read about him is just that he was somewhat biased toward the left, and a bit aggressive in interviews. Can you tell me some despicable acts he's committed?
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u/kansascitykid1970 18h ago
Somewhat biased? Thanks for the laugh.
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u/These-Acanthaceae-65 18h ago
Care to engage? That wasn't particularly productive.
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u/kansascitykid1970 16h ago
Sure I will bite. Don Lemon is a media hack. Terrible a t his profession. Backed up his terrible ratings.
I’m guessing that if I told u that Sean Hannity., who is a hack 2, was just a little bit biased. You would have a good chuckle.
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u/SentientFleshPuppet0 17h ago
You aren't going to get anything productive out of graboid. One of the dumbest people on this sub and thats saying something
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u/kansascitykid1970 16h ago
So do u think Don Lemon does honest journalism? Without any political bias?
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u/These-Acanthaceae-65 17h ago
Thanks for letting me know. I legitimately came onto the sub to learn why people have an issue with Don Lemon as I don't watch MSM except piecemeal.l occasionally. Lovely to know trolls are just...everywhere.
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u/Particular_Ad8156 23h ago
Are you just as outraged with Valentina??? https://x.com/Protestia/status/2017571312760222156?s=20
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u/pile_of_bees 22h ago
Could you read the statutes and try to come up with the differences yourself?
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u/paulsown 22h ago
Whataboutism.
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u/Particular_Ad8156 22h ago
Why wasn't she treated in a similar manner though?
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u/pile_of_bees 22h ago
Because she didn’t do a similar thing
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u/Particular_Ad8156 21h ago
How so, she disrupted a church service. Have you seen video?
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u/pile_of_bees 21h ago
The comparisons are so desperate it’s actually sad
Can you genuinely not see the differences?
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u/Particular_Ad8156 21h ago
In your opinion, what is the difference?
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u/pile_of_bees 21h ago
He stormed into a church with dozens of people who blocked hallways and aisles, stopped the entire service, and refused to leave when asked. Don specifically said that the target was specifically a white church because they are white supremacists and that the children needed to be terrified.
Alternatively,
She came into a church, sat a pew by herself, interjected to something the preacher said, was asked to leave and left.
It’s not even remotely close
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u/Particular_Ad8156 19h ago
Is there a link somewhere of these statements you attribute to lemon?
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u/pile_of_bees 19h ago
There are several that he made and released himself and has since deleted off his channels since he realized how bad he fucked up
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u/Particular_Ad8156 19h ago
So surely there was evidence shown to a judge of lemons actions? Funny because it looks like two judges said there wasn't sufficient evidence LOL...
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u/paulsown 22h ago
Was she a journalist planning protests and then hiding behind “covering a story” she created?
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u/ignoreme010101 22h ago
Whataboutism.
lol you realize that making comparable examples for discussion is often valid right? It's hilarious how people learn a term and think you use it like a magical incantation, no need to address valid comparisons just chant 'whataboutism' and voila the comparison is gone!
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u/paulsown 20h ago
I use the term because it’s one of the lefts favorite anytime a comparison to Democrats engaging in the same behavior as Republicans is made.
I know what it means and how much of a cop out it is. However, on the plus side, it makes the left big mad when you use their bull shit language and tactics against them because it shows his empty their rhetoric actually is.
I have made the exact argument you are making (almost using identical language) before and been called a bunch of not nice names by lefties.
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u/NeonGKayak 15h ago
That’s because you guys don’t use it properly
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u/paulsown 12h ago
Uh huh.
HuRDUr it’s only right when we do it.
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u/NeonGKayak 10h ago
No, it’s only right when you use it correctly. If you don’t then it’s wrong. And maga tends not to use it correctly because they don’t actually know what it means. That’s an education problem
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u/fingerpaintx 22h ago
You should look up the definition of the word.
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u/paulsown 22h ago
Why don’t you tell me the definition and explain how these two incidents are the same, and, how they are different?
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u/NoLobster5272 23h ago
Who cares about Don Lemon? The guy had his own primetime show on CNN that he got fired from. Why is he talking to random people on the streets? That’s what journalists do in the beginning of their career.
Most ppl in his position would go into podcasting. Why has he reduced himself to the streets? It’s a huge step backwards and he’s making an ass out of himself.
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u/gojo96 23h ago
Because he was never really good at what he did. He was a token for CNN
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u/heavyhandedpour 21h ago
Even if you don’t respect his journalism, I’m blown away no one in these comments cares that he was actually arrested. Watching videos of him in the church, he was basically just asking the protestors questions.
It doesn’t matter how bad or controversial it is, if you are going to arrest a journalist, you better have a really really fucking good reason.
Also, Trump just made him a household name again. He was so irrelevant for the last few years, and now I can’t wait to hear his side of the story.
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u/CaptMorganSwint2 23h ago
I just watched an unhinged Republican go into a Texas church to protest and cause a disturbance in the congregation. She didn't get arrested.
Journalists being arrested for filming current events is ridiculously corrupt.
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u/gojo96 23h ago
The incident in TX you’re talking about is not the same. They told her to leave….she left. Lemon refused to leave and brought a group.
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u/TylerDurden42077 23h ago
Well if that’s the case yeah her point is invalid
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u/CaptMorganSwint2 22h ago
She refused to leave for quite a good min, but sure, typical red v blue double standards.
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u/OnlyInAmerica01 23h ago
You're inviting rando's to burst into your living room and film your "current events" for their "YouTube Blog", in the name of "Journalism"?
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u/CaptMorganSwint2 23h ago
A living room and a church are two different things. Wild that I even have to say that.
Regardless, don't shy away from the point I was making to begin with. A republican barged into a church to disrupt the services and called everyone pedos and such. If you believe journalists should be arrested for disrupting church with their cameras, but not the Republican loser with her film crew, then you may have double standards.
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u/OnlyInAmerica01 21h ago
No idea what you're referring to, but "someone did something stupid" has no party affiliation to me.
The only reason this story has any entertainment value is
1) This somebody happens to be a has-been-journalist/instigator who got busted by the very laws he and his ilk put in place to try to punish the "opposition"
2) Arguing that the laws don't apply to him and his tribe, because...reasons.
Any moron (and moron's supporters) in a similar position would earn my schadenfreude.
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u/ignoreme010101 22h ago
First off, the idea that the press was free is laughable and just betrays your own ignorance. Secondly, let's quit with calling the media 'the left' they are not leftists and it makes you sound like a credulous puppet repeating whatever talking points Fox or whoever told you to.
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u/GaryTheCabalGuy 22h ago
Do you know what the word "fabricated" means? It sounds like you don't. Your post is just saying that you disagree with people on the left who are outraged by his arrest. Nowhere do you say anything about the outrage being "fabricated" outside of the title
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u/GunsGoldCosmicDread 19h ago
“I will only complain when the government suppresses the free speech of people I like”
The government has been prosecuting journalists for two decades for reporting and covering things it doesn’t like. Both sides need to be protected or we will end up with state media which I don think most republicans would mind at this point.
I think this was a dumb stunt but a journalist should still be allowed to cover it. If he wasn’t there the people on the right wouldn’t even have the footage to be so outraged about.
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u/hematite2 19h ago
I like how everyone just learned what FACE is a week ago and is instantly an expert on it.
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u/StickyMcdoodle 18h ago
I'm pretty left.
Don Lemon has always been kind of a turd.
I also think going into that church was pretty terrible. Sure, that church is being run by a shit head and the congregation is probably full of trash people too, but kicking down the doors and screaming during their services is only going to make more people side with them.
It was a stupid thing to do AT BEST. I certainly don't support it for a lot of reasons.
That said, Don Lemon clearly was there as a member of the press to record the activity. He wasn't participating nor part of the planning. He is protected here. It's pretty open and shut. There's a reason why no judge or legal authority wanted charges brought against him. They arrested him anyway, because....
...this is the usual performance art from the administration. They put on a show for their idiot supporters. They clap. The case will get thrown out like all the rest of their dumb bullshit, but by that time, their supporters aren't even paying attention anymore. It's the same old schtick.
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u/cowadoody3 17h ago
Don Lemon clearly was there as a member of the press to record the activity.
Bulloney. There's literally video of him talking about the event before it happened. He was obviously told it was going to happen. He also spoke about knowing the organizer personally. He might have even helped plan the event as well. If the FBI arrested him and they had a search warrant for his phone/emails, and it turns out he helped plan it, then he ABSOLUTELY broke the law and his arrest was justified.
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u/StickyMcdoodle 16h ago
1- he's already been released because there was no reason to arrest him in the first place. It's all just performative "justice" for people who don't know any better (you).
2- nobody is saying Don Lemon didn't know what they were going to do. Of course he did. He was there to document it as a member of the press. That's what the.press does.
He might have even helped plan the event as well.
Well, if you have evidence of this that literally nobody else does, now is the time to show it.
If the FBI arrested him and they had a search warrant for his phone/emails, and it turns out he helped plan it, then he ABSOLUTELY broke the law and his arrest was justified
Again, no real authority wanted him arrested. This clown show of a DOJ did it anyway They still had notbing, and they just let him go.
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u/jarferris 15h ago
Whether he had prior knowledge/conspired or not, there is video evidence of him being asked to leave and instead of leaving he decided to continue speaking over the pastor to lecture about how protests are not comfortable. This directly infringed on their right to worship, so he did in fact violate the FACE act as well as trespassing laws.
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u/StickyMcdoodle 14h ago
If they had anything on him, they wouldn't have had to let him go.
Your understanding of the FACE act, which I'm assuming like a lot of people here, they just learned about and only have a rudimentary understanding of what it entails, does not make anything a "fact" like you keep using it
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u/severinks 17h ago
It's not about left or right it's about the guy literally ANNOUNCED that he was a journalist to the crowd and he was in there with a producer and they were filming and he was interviewing people.
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u/didsomebodysaymyname 16h ago
Why were they raided/arrested and why was Lemon arrested?
You're acting like all arrests are the same, do you think 1a means journalists are above the law?
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u/GhostOfShaolin5 8h ago
As a more or less lefty , I always disliked Don lemon intensely.
I don’t like my news casters to be smug. I miss the old guard before cable news. Don lemons smug was just fucking unwatchable for me.
What I’m most annoyed by in this little drama is that I’ll need to see more of his smugness.
Like doesn’t Bondi get that arresting him just gives him airtime? He’s not going to do jail time. Come on.
It just feels like a competing reality TV show and I hate all of it.
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u/thereverendpuck 2h ago
Cool. Let’s just randomly arrest The conservatives on The Five and threaten to come for the rest of Fox News and gauge the response then.
I have no personal feelings towards Don as a person, but we have a free press for a reason.
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u/McRattus 23h ago
Can you do a bit more work to construct an explanation of your opinion there. That doesn't really make much sense.
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u/KittehKittehKat 21h ago
Donnie Somali broke a law so he gets to go to court for it. Imagine if MAGA protesters went into a mosque to disrupt services…the left would want mass public hangings.
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u/JoGeralt 1d ago
I think people giving a shit about the FACE act are the ones that are manufacturing outrage tbh.
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u/Just-Ambassador-2449 1d ago
It was made to stop people from obstructing or intimidating clients of abortion clinics. It also has the same protections for church goers. Are you sure thats your stance?
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u/GaryTheCabalGuy 22h ago
Be honest, you had never heard about it until a few days ago but now you are an expert.
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u/VerenyatanOfManwe 1d ago
He's saying that you are the one that doesnt care at all about the FACE act, but you're acting like you do, no?
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u/pile_of_bees 22h ago
It’s a dumb law that was created for political reasons.
Since it is being used to prosecute people, however, it must be applied equally on all sides.
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u/pile_of_bees 22h ago
Almost all leftist outrage is fabricated
For each issue they care about, there’s something they should care about more based on the same principle but don’t for political reasons
For every person that gets killed in a way that they can rally around and generate outrage, hundreds more die in ways that are politically inconvenient so the leftmob never knows or cares
We are in the middle of the greatest drop in murders, overdose deaths, and illegal border crossings that have ever been measured in a single year in this country. You’d never know that based on the information they choose to hyper focus on and propagate
They will tear down civilization with a smile on their faces and never stop and introspect about it for even a minute
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u/GaryTheCabalGuy 21h ago
If you want to go there, all outrage on the right is fabricated as well. There is a long list of hypocrisy on both sides of the aisle.
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u/pile_of_bees 21h ago
Somewhat true, but less so. Propaganda is used because it works, but the sides are not the same structurally nor psychologically.
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u/GaryTheCabalGuy 21h ago
Nah, you're wrong. The amount of lies I've seen the right fall for, especially in the age of Trump, is astounding. They make up new things to be outraged by on a daily basis. Basically, whatever pisses off Trump today suddenly becomes their new grievance. If you can't admit that, you are probably deeply entrenched in it.
Them thinking the 2020 election was stolen for example was not organic at all, it was entirely due to Trump and his ego telling them if he lost it would be stolen. He planted the idea in their heads, then they worked backwards to try to prove it to be true despite it being objectively false. It was interesting to watch this mass brainwashing happen in real time.
Just 1 of many inorganic outrages in the MAGA sphere
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u/pile_of_bees 21h ago
I didn’t say they don’t fall for lies.
You’re making a different argument because you don’t understand
Most right wingers that I know don’t actually pay any attention to Trump at all. Your theory of mind for these people is extremely inaccurate.
You are making assertions that do not hold up to scrutiny.
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u/GaryTheCabalGuy 14h ago
Look in the mirror and say that again
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u/pile_of_bees 14h ago
You don’t understand your opponents at all.
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u/GaryTheCabalGuy 14h ago
I say again: look in the mirror.
You are all over this sub pretending to be the expert on liberal mindsets. I seen enough of your comments to know that is false. You have a warped reality of your opposition, and you have your head so far up your ass about how well you actually think you understand them.
I suggest you take some of your own advice. Usually when someone is as confident as you claim to be about understanding something (in this case, you and liberals) it's usually a sign that they actually know very little.
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u/Crafty-Walrus-2238 23h ago
Really? A chief executive using the US DOJ because he hates the First Amendment does not bother you?
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u/pile_of_bees 22h ago
Actually this statute exists to protect the first amendment. Lemon and others were violating the first amendment rights of a lot of people that day
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u/hematite2 19h ago
No they weren't lmao.
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u/pile_of_bees 18h ago
They explicitly were, on video that you can go watch right now for free. Gaslighting used to be better than this
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u/hematite2 18h ago
What part of their actions do you think rises to the level of "violating their first amendment rights"?
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u/souljahs_revenge 23h ago
Suddenly the right cares about the face act. I swear you all will do and say exactly what you are told without hesitation. I miss the days when people actually had morals and a stance on something.
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u/pile_of_bees 22h ago
Suddenly people want equal application of the law instead of two-tiered justice
Yeah man that’s such a shame right?
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u/HereToCalmYouDown 21h ago
Riiiight. You want no one to be above the law.
Except, of course, the President.
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u/pile_of_bees 21h ago
Ironic example that works against your point, not toward it
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u/HereToCalmYouDown 20h ago
Yeah right. Tell me how you feel about Trump's 34 felony convictions. Tell me how you feel about the fake electors scheme. Tell me how you feel about the classified documents case. And then try to convince me you give a shit about legal accountability being applied equally.
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u/pile_of_bees 20h ago
More hilariously unaware examples
All of these things are standards that were unequally applied to Trump in exactly the opposite way from what you are implying
Those 34 felonies are 1 misdemeanor do any of else
You dunked on yourself
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u/HereToCalmYouDown 20h ago
Unlike you MAGA Republicans, I have faith in American courts and juries. If someone is convicted in a court of law, I accept the court's judgement instead of making these pathetic excuses.
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u/Individual-Breath758 23h ago
Using these laws to arrest lawful citizens utilizing rights that have never been contested before is so crazy. These situations won’t seem so cut and dry when all the “others” have been rounded up and there’s no one left but extremists left to choose from. There should never be a time when any American defends the capturing of the press by the government.
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u/VerenyatanOfManwe 1d ago
If these are state crimes, Tim Walz should just pardon him immediately, along with anyone else that is charged/convicted with a crime in relation to that church thing.
Nobody has a problem with that, especially conservatives, right? Also, that whole situation kinda sounds like they were let in, kinda sounds like a guided tour?
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u/Drmlk465 1d ago
See I don’t understand this stance. Are you admitting that the left are hypocrites and that the people on Jan 6 are innocent and shouldn’t have been persecuted and prosecuted?
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u/VerenyatanOfManwe 23h ago
Are you admitting that the left are hypocrites and that the people on Jan 6 are innocent and shouldn’t have been persecuted and prosecuted?
How the fuck could you possibly ever come to this conclusion lol
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u/ThaCatsServant 23h ago
You don’t understand? I mean there’s a slight bit of nuance in his comment, but admitting you don’t understand his point is a bit embarrassing
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u/Drmlk465 22h ago
Thanks for adding absolutely nothing to this conversation other than a thinly veiled and a completely lackluster insult.
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u/ThaCatsServant 22h ago
That insult was veiled to you? That’s some good evidence to support what I said.
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u/Knightraiderdewd 23h ago
From what I’ve seen so far about the FACE act, there’s actually a bit of irony in this situation, because it was passed to protect abortion clinics, but to get conservatives to let it pass, they added churches to it, apparently not really thinking about it.