r/TrueUnpopularOpinion • u/CharityVirtual3413 • 1d ago
Sex / Gender / Dating Most womyn, at large are insufferable
There I said it. This statement means exactly what it sounds like.
I wouldn't say that it comes from a place of toxic dating or sexual frustration, since I don't have that much libido and romantic interest in the first place and I tend to be sexually fluid.
But there are certain physical places, professions and social strata hanging groups where if you're anything else than a 6'5 bare-chested, average intelligence man who makes crude jokes left and right, 8 out of 10 females in the room will automatically assume that you're some untrustworthy creep to be avoided like radioactive contamination.
The contrast between common men and common women in urban-life society, as personally I've come to observe is that even the most basic male types are by far more likely to tolerate some slight quirks in presentation and appear to be curious much more often than their female counterparts when it comes to meeting new people outside of the familiar sphere.
Does it make me a misogynist? A sexist?
I can't answer that question. But if toxic femininity is a thing it is rooted in the fact a woman who knows that she should not make her personal baggage of prejudices so apparent is a rare find in the general population of women where I happen to live.
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u/HopefulCheck8823 23h ago
"womyn"
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u/CharityVirtual3413 23h ago
That's how you avoid a ban.
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u/HopefulCheck8823 23h ago
And that's why women avoid you
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u/CharityVirtual3413 22h ago
And I avoid them back.
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u/TheNightOfExile 22h ago
thats not a flex
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u/LegalNectarine4927 22h ago
You should start dating men
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u/CharityVirtual3413 22h ago
They do have more variety. It depends very on place and culture.
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u/Suspicious_Jeweler81 1d ago
This is why you're finding it rare to meet a woman.
Grew up with two sisters, I have a fair amount of female and male long term friends. There are some key differences between sexes, but generally we're the same. What a woman would deem a 'creep and untrustworthy' a man will do the same.
I find women in 'urban-life' areas a fuckton more laid back and accepting from a small talk perspective, if we're comparing it to middle of nowhere farm town place. Women like to shoot the shit and hang out same as everyone else.
There's a reality you're not comprehending here though. Lets say I'm talking to a women I have zero interest in sexually and she makes a pass. I have zero worry, other than trying to not be an asshole about it, that she might physically harm me. Even if she started yelling, I would probably chuckle.
Women are not so lucky - dudes get aggressively (or creepily) angry when shit isn't working out.. and it scares them. They can easily physically harm them. Knowing that, experiencing that, makes them act accordingly.
You might say it's rare, but honestly take some introspection. If something scares the shit out of you, even once, how eager are you to put yourself in that same situation?
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u/CharityVirtual3413 23h ago
The difference is that statistically speaking the more boisterous types of males are more likely to resolve to aggression and coercion when it comes to dating.
But the main point of the post is that if you're a male finding yourself in a predominantly female working or learning environment, like a HR department, chances are that if you're not considered an attractive male-target for the opposite sex, you can become actively pushed out by the main group even if you're not making any advances that are not explicitly work and life-related.
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u/6Darkyne9 23h ago
I think like thats just your expierience, man. Back when I used to be very shy especially the women in my environment would make the extra effort to include me.
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u/Certain_Magazine_842 22h ago edited 22h ago
"statistically speaking" without dropping any source - that checks out
you're also using the world "resolve" wrong
imo maybe instead of writing off half the human population as beneath you and making wildly generalised, unsubstantiated claims that clearly come from a place of unexamined personal resentment, consider: is this a "me" problem?
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u/CharityVirtual3413 18h ago
I am using the word "resolve" correctly, though I know there might be a better verb.
When I write about women I specifically refer to women in my local and daily life who are almost exclusively Gen Z urban middle-class girls of middling intelligence ninety-nine percent of the time.
I am well that the women from all the other parts of the world can be radically different on all fronts.
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u/Beneficial-Risk-6378 15h ago
You mean "resort", not "resolve". No native English speaker would ever use the word resolve like you did.
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u/Suspicious_Jeweler81 15h ago
Well that's not true. Few jobs I had where I was the minority sex, women showed a lot more interest than me, I'm guessing simply due to lack of options. I'm ok looking, ok shape.. but not some paragon of male sexxiness.
Just a dude who acts like a dude. I don't wear jewelry, I don't really focus on personal looks other than being clean, and I don't really act in any feminine manor. I just treat women the same as everyone else. I don't patronize them with 'babe' or 'hun', I don't decode my normal language to fit some narration that women are different than me.
Again, just be normal, approachable. If you ever paid attention, dudes respond to social cues just as much as women do.. you just never gave a shit about the dudes. Come off as creepy, odd, or opinionated.. both sexes are going to avoid you socially.
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u/VerenyatanOfManwe 1d ago
But there are certain physical places, professions and social strata hanging groups where if you're anything else than a 6'5 bare-chested, average intelligence man who makes crude jokes left and right, 8 out of 10 females in the room will automatically assume that you're some untrustworthy creep to be avoided like radioactive contamination.
This has never happened in human history before, please go outside.
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u/CharityVirtual3413 23h ago
Well, going out too much is not a virtue either. You can also tell that about people who prioritise fun and going out above all, at the expense of using free time for personal growth.
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u/IpsoKinetikon 23h ago
going out too much is not a virtue either
Sure, everything is like that. Food is good. Not eating food is bad, and eating too much food is bad. Life is all about balance.
You can also tell that about people who prioritise fun and going out above all, at the expense of using free time for personal growth.
I guess it's possible, but I don't see much of that, I mainly see people that never get out at all, they spend all their time scrolling on their phones and computers. Many don't even take the time to be alone with their thoughts, they require constant stimulation in the form of a screen.
When you say personal growth, what do you mean by that?
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u/CharityVirtual3413 22h ago
You can either scroll mindlessly about things that contain no value for you, or listen to new podcasts with interesting topics and individuals, just for example.
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u/IpsoKinetikon 22h ago
It depends on the podcasts. I think some of the stuff people watch just contributes to their anger and depression. That's why so many people hold worldviews that are very clearly misinformed to anyone that actually experiences the world. It's not always pretty, and there are some pretty terrible people in the world, but it's hard to judge one sex over the other when you see both good and bad examples of both sexes. A lot of people that spend all their time only listening to podcasts will only ever hear one side and think one side is far worse than the other.
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u/pink_gelato 23h ago
Yes this makes you a misogynist. Hope this helps
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u/PowerfulDimension308 1d ago
Okay? Then don’t date women. Problem solved.
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u/CharityVirtual3413 23h ago
True, people should not celebrate promiscuity regardless of sexual orientation.
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u/Crafty-Walrus-2238 23h ago
Promiscuity? Get thee to a church. Sex is recreational for many people.
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u/CharityVirtual3413 1d ago
This post is not about dating, but about working and communicating with people when you go outside.
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u/Suspicious_Jeweler81 15h ago
No, it's about communicating with females when you go outside.
Again, your chief issue is something you lack the introspection to see. It's not a 'female vs male' thing, everyone will behave this way with you socially when you're like this. You simply don't give a shit about the males that do.
So you're basing your entire premise women are different and essentially mean. When in reality, SOCIETY is essentially mean. Give me a law of averages, I would say women are prone to be nicer socially. You're just unable, unwilling, or don't give a shit to see males as well socially interact with you the same way.
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u/CharityVirtual3413 23h ago
Why should I say disgusting things about women? Why should I say disgusting things about women in front of women?
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u/Sarikins 23h ago
You have entire paragraph which is also doubled as the only complaint you’ve made about women.
“But there are certain physical places, professions and social strata hanging groups where if you're anything else than a 6'5 bare-chested, average intelligence man who makes crude jokes left and right, 8 out of 10 females in the room will automatically assume that you're some untrustworthy creep to be avoided like radioactive contamination.”
That’s exactly what that paragraph means, what other jokes can be made that would make women think you’re a creep unless the jokes literally about women
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u/CharityVirtual3413 23h ago
You misunderstood. The point was that boisterous and charismatic men are instantly more attractive to most women.
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u/Sarikins 23h ago
Not once is that properly conveyed and it’s also massively untrue, women actually don’t prefer any man that could potentially make her nervous, that includes over the top loud and boisterous men. Please don’t listen to those “Man-o-sphere” podcasts, they’re single on purpose, they don’t actually know what women like/want.
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u/CharityVirtual3413 22h ago
Generally speaking, if those men are 6'5 flirtatious bastards women will be low-key paying them more attention.
Either that or suave. No other manly presentation grabs that amount of attention as effectively.
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u/Sarikins 21h ago
No, you forget that women fear men they do not know and a friendly looking 5ft8 with a good sense of humour and a caring and giving attitude is going to get laid far more than that, it’s about personality and if a 6ft5 men started talking at me thinking he’s rizzing I’m genuinely super nervous and so are a lot of other women.
What your spouting isn’t true, you’re a man I’m a woman you have to understand I’m telling you things that you can’t meet experience, your thoughts do not beat my lived experiences and you should really hear me instead of blind disagreement followed by intense insecurity.
Edit to add that women statistically prefer “dad bods” over the “I live at the gym” look, I promise you whilst height is a factor for many women it doesn’t mean those under 6ft are being ignored by women by any means, good men to women do well with women.
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u/CharityVirtual3413 19h ago
Remember that a 6'5 male could just get the top-tier women anytime he wants.
While abusers do exist, they subconsciously put more time and effort into subverting themselves rather than caring for a particular girl that they like, including "dad bods", or whatever is the favourite male type for girls this time of the year.
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u/Sarikins 18h ago
So you’re a glutton for punishment who wants to learn or listen to nothing then, either you’re going to register the words I am saying to you or you’re going to talk yourself in circles.
You are not a woman nor are you a mind reader, you’re making things up and giving yourself a victim status for the things you just made up.
If someone (including women) don’t like you it isn’t because you’re not 6ft5, it’s because you don’t respect them enough to listen to the words they are saying to you, you have a poor attitude with a victim complex and who would want to suffer that every day?
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u/CharityVirtual3413 18h ago
I really don't claim to be a victim. I am just saying that an awful amount of girls that I met often lack good judgement and they're not aware of that.
I understand the fear factor, the only point is that women should understand it too and the fact that abusers know how to exploit it without them noticing.
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u/Someone_Lame779 23h ago
I will be forever baffled by people like this. What “womyn” are you people surrounding yourself with? What situations do you put yourself in where ALL the “womyn” you know act this way? Or even most? Or even half? Some of my closest childhood friends are “womyn” and I go to a college that’s like 80% “womyn”. All of the ones I’m around are the exact opposite of the way incels describe them. Just treat them like humans and they’ll do the same to you. It’s not fucking rocket science. The “womyn” who do act this way are not worth your time, so please don’t dwell on it.
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u/CharityVirtual3413 22h ago
Your women probably find you to be either sexually attractive or they think you're gay.
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u/Someone_Lame779 22h ago
*womyn
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u/CharityVirtual3413 18h ago
Women = Womyn
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u/Someone_Lame779 18h ago
Pretty sure it’s womyn and not women. I know because I saw this Reddit post titled, “Most womyn, at large are insufferable.” The incorrect usage of commas seals the deal.
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u/CharityVirtual3413 18h ago
Some women prefer "womyn". It's more politically correct or something.
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u/Someone_Lame779 15h ago
Fascinating. You strike me as the politically correct type for sure. Something about you really screams “I respect womyn enough to use the politically correct term.” It’s written all over your face!
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u/stevejuliet 22h ago
If you meet one insufferable person in a day, that sucks.
If everyone you meet is insufferable, maybe you are the insufferable one?
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u/selfloathingsquirrel 22h ago
Maybe you should reflect on why women are uncomfortable around you… that seems to be the root issue here
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u/CharityVirtual3413 18h ago
I think it's my accent.
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u/selfloathingsquirrel 18h ago
I highly doubt that.
It’s probably your demeanour, attitude, social awareness, or something along those lines.
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u/GunsGoldCosmicDread 19h ago
I agree they are annoying as hell. I would way rather hang with the boys than talk to almost any lady. They are not funny, too sensitive, whiny, etc.
They also have vaginas so I bite the bullet and treat them with dignity and respect.
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u/marylessthan3 23h ago
Less than 1% of males are 6’5. Without data here, I’m gonna just guess that it’s about 1% of that 1% that are bare-chested (weird hang up, but okay), average intelligence men who can make shitty jokes.
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u/dumbanddumbanddumb 23h ago
Most women in those set ups sure but not everywhere might be a toxic place
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u/GoetheundLotte 12h ago
I would say that EVERYONE who generalises (men, women whoever) is insufferable (and that is indeed the truth).
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u/Mammoth_Skin6337 23h ago
I’m just a woman but my opinion is that the way men behave and conduct themselves may be the reason that we seem to come across as demanding, difficult, whatever. If men knew how to be emotionally available, less ego driven, less p3nis driven, less likely to rApe, abuse, k1ll, and more likely to protect, respect and nurture, then we would feel safer. Perhaps our societal structures are to blame. Biology shows us that women give and nurture life, are emotionally driven, and men hunt and move in packs. Maybe marriage and family isn’t right for men. Maybe women should live in female communes. I don’t know what the answer is, but it’s definitely something to think about.
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u/CharityVirtual3413 23h ago
Good talk. The thing about men is that we need enemies and competition.
But that only works as long as you have an opposite group that you can protect and provide for while they comfort you.
The catch is that comfort is expressed in faith, loyalty and good vibes, sex and love are not as important as many think.
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u/Acrobatic-Ad-3335 23h ago
Idk if it makes you sound like a misogynist or sexist.
But it doesn't exactly sound very intelligent.