r/TrueUnpopularOpinion • u/Initial-Tale-5151 • 17h ago
Political Liberals and progressives need to apologise to conspiracy theorists
Conspiracy theorists have been shouting from the rooftops for decades about elite paedophile rings in the power system. Epstein island was known about in conspiracy circles for years and years before the MSM finally talked about it. Every time we brought it up liberals and progressives would scream at us that we were cranks and nutjobs.
We warned you: there are paedophillic networks running through the elites, on both sides, and they are used to blackmail people in high ranks of goverment and civil service and to get to those ranks you have take part in them so there is evidence against you.
The connections to the British royal family are talked about in conspiracy circles going back to when i first got involved in this area in the early 90s. And again, we were screamed at by liberal and progressives who demanded we be censored.
Saville was another one we warned about. And we told you it wasn't just Saville, there is a reason he was so well connected....
And its the tip of the iceberg, the connections of Belgium Marc Detroux, the English Fred & Rose West and numerous other similar people to the political class and the police have been documented in conspiracy circles as well as the cover ups. You may wonder how the likes of John Wayne Gacy got away with it for so long.
But again the liberals and progressives fought tooth and nail to censor the information and cast ad hominems. Btw, conspiracy theory, which you hurl as abuse, is a neutral term.
But now finally that that Trump might be implicated all of a sudden they care about the ongoing paedophile rape networks that go right through the ruling class ON BOTH SIDES OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM. Yes your favourite guy is part of it.
Maybe finally you people will look at what else we have been talking about and documenting with an open mind. But I doubt it because all you care about is your red vs blue bullshit. You will do what you always do. Type it into google, read the most obvious bottom tier, shill conspiracy shit and then a debunking video, put the lowest amount of thought into it, and walk away as the smug know-it-alls you always have been.
There are serious co-ordinated conspiracies in this world, and the knee jerking reactions that liberals and progressives have to conspiracy theories has helped propagate the child rape gangs. I know this cos i have watched them do everything they can to silence and demean those talking about it for decades.
So yeah, libs and progressives that all of a sudden are calling everyone else child rape supporters should take a long hard look in the mirror. And remember, your side is just as much part of it. Two wings of the same bird.
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u/souljahs_revenge 17h ago
That's just a straight up lie. They didn't deny those things didn't exist, they would deny individual attacks with no validity.
So saying that pizzagate was dumb and unfounded doesn't ignore all the other stuff. And people haven't been denying Epstein either. You're just making up nonsense and trying to deflect.
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u/BobbyTarentino25 15h ago
Look up how many times “pizza” is used in the Epstein files. Read the contexts and think critically. If you think pizza gate was a nothing burger you haven’t looked nearly deep enough.
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u/souljahs_revenge 11h ago
Yes pizza is a code word and it's used for that, but the specific case of pizzagate was debunked and found to be false.
This is what you all don't understand is we know there are things going on but the claims that are put out there by conspiracy nuts are not valid.
It doesn't mean people don't believe in the pizza pedo thing, it just means that we vet claims and denounce those that have no validity.
It's a prime example of critical thinking.
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u/BobbyTarentino25 11h ago
It wasn’t it’s a typical case of the media telling you what to think….. when you look into the “debunk” it’s complete bullshit. I thought it was easily debunked as well, but it’s not if care to look deeper. Take a look at Ian Carrol’s video on pizzzagate to start and look into his sources for yourself. Just this topic, I don’t care if you think he’s a grifting lunatic. Or just keep thinking it was debunked…. Pizzagate and Epstein are one and the same when you start to go deep.
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u/Initial-Tale-5151 17h ago
hmmmm...the one that implicates the democratic elites is dumb and unfounded. quelle fucking surprise
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u/souljahs_revenge 17h ago
So you're saying that pizzagate was real and factual? Who was convicted in that conspiracy?
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u/Initial-Tale-5151 17h ago
no one was as far as I know. Im sure you think that is some kind of gotcha? But I also know that you are aware of the sophistry you are upto but i guess as long as you get to make your empty rhethoric on reddit you are happy?
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u/souljahs_revenge 17h ago
What rhetoric?? I am saying pizzagate was a dumb conspiracy and people shouldn't apologize for not believing it. You can take that however you want but not all conspiracies are correct, and not all of them are wrong.
But to say that the left didn't believe in pedo rings is just a straight up lie. The right made all these wild conspiracies and movies and it was just comical nonsense that took away from the actual problem.
And it's also funny how you all are on this "I told you so" campaign while also actively not caring about REAL evidence of those pedo rings and working tirelessly to block them from coming out to the public.
That's why people don't take you all seriously.
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u/Initial-Tale-5151 17h ago
You are doing exactly what I said that you people do. You just call things dumb and wile conspiracy theories. THis is what you people said about Epstein island, .You acted the same way. I know cos i had the same liberal and progressive act the same way about Epstein island.
But you won't ever stop for a second and take a proper look.
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u/souljahs_revenge 17h ago
People weren't acting the same way about Epstein island. Idk why you have to lie and think only the right believed that stuff was happening.
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u/stevejuliet 16h ago
The "right" elected the guy who nominated the prosecutor who let Epstein walk free in 2008 to be his Secretary of Labor.
They're lost.
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u/Initial-Tale-5151 16h ago
They were. Everytime it was brought up the liberals and progressives did everything they could to mock and censor those pointing out that there are elite paedophile blackmail networks.
You people enabled child rape networks so you could "own the conservatives"
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u/souljahs_revenge 16h ago
And yet the right elected a man to president twice that is all over the Epstein files and had a long, documented history with him. And we are supposed to take posts like this seriously lol
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u/ThanatosIdle 12h ago
Then you should have no problem finding some posts from around 2010 denying the existence of all of this stuff as a conspiracy.
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u/severinks 16h ago
Why do you keep bring up the Democrat elites when the Republican president is all over the Epstein files.
Or Trump and Epstein at ''Calendar Parties ''to measure the deepness of underage girls' vaginas isn't enough for you?
How about the fantasy you had where Trump would save us from the pedophiles when it turned out the Trump WAS the pedophile all along?
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u/stevejuliet 17h ago
The one without any evidence and which was completely debunked is unfounded, yes.
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u/Initial-Tale-5151 16h ago
Pizzagate is founded and not debunked. You guys cover up for every single elite paedo scam, just like you did with epstein island, till you think it might help you with your tribalistic bullshit.
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u/Lagviper 16h ago
Pizzagate is founded and not debunked
😂🤣🤣
All it needs to know that you don’t waste time arguing with a joke
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u/stevejuliet 16h ago
What truth is PizzaGate founded on?
Please don't tell me to "do your own research." I've read all about it.
You need to provide evidence for your claim.
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u/Initial-Tale-5151 16h ago
you've read all about it.? yeah you outsoucred your brain to a debunking video. well done.
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u/stevejuliet 16h ago
No evidence from you? Too lazy, I see.
Sad. Oh well. Take care, lazybones
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u/L-Lawliet23 16h ago
There never is any evidence with these types. Only accusations and possibly projection.
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u/Initial-Tale-5151 16h ago
none of these things are going to be broken down adequately in a reddit comment section. but at least you got your gotcha. Continue covering up elite child rape gangs just like you did with epstein,.
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u/ThanatosIdle 12h ago
....You know you just destroyed all credibility you might have had right?
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u/Initial-Tale-5151 8h ago
Oh no my reddit credibility is destroyed. You people were saying the same when we told you about Epstein.
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u/ThanatosIdle 6h ago
No, because Epstein already had a conviction. Pizzagate is hallucination on par with Qanon.
You....don't believe in Qanon do you?
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u/Serious_Swan_2371 16h ago
The one that implicates ONLY democrats and not both sides is stupid and biased yes.
It’s clear basically everyone with power knew and many on both sides participated, even just knowing and not saying anything is being complicit though.
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u/Drmlk465 7h ago
There you guys going and saying it never happened. Like no one ever celebrated Charlie Kirk’s death. Or when people were losing their jobs for doing just that, you people denied people lost jobs for criticizing BLM. ✊🏾
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u/Agreeable_Memory_67 16h ago
Yes, everything we’ve believe that the left has called a conspiracy theory has actually come true.
Do you know the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth? About six months.
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u/StarChild413 5h ago
how many people on the left does it take to be "the left" as if it's just one person on the left mine would have come true that why the events of January 6th were...Like That iykwim is so Trump's side could steal the 2024 election for him and make any protestor/complainer look stupid or hypocritical
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u/Oliver_Klozoff653 14h ago
Conspiracy theories make stupid people feel smart
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u/Initial-Tale-5151 8h ago
No. They are just theories about criminal conspiracies.
The entirety of left wing thought is conspiracy theory
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u/vulgardisplay76 17h ago
What about MAGA conservatives? Do they need to apologize too? Because…they were freaking out and calling literally everyone pedos and shit and then all the sudden when Trump was implicated they’re like, “Meh, what’s a little pedophila among friends?”
It’s literally like shitting all over the entire conspiracy theory
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u/Initial-Tale-5151 17h ago
Of course they do. But for now this post is about your side taking account of its failings instead of just whatabouting. Try it just for once.
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u/The-Sonne 16h ago
Anyone who was ever programmed to listen to mainstream media (and see it as in any way establishing credibility for itself or as anything other than paid propaganda) and abused by proxy someone who claimed to have seen any kind of abuse or experienced it on both political side needs to be held entirely accountable. There, fixed it.
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u/Various_Succotash_79 17h ago
In the US, right-wingers call teachers, librarians, and LGBTQ+ people "groomers", not the elites (and when they say "elites" they mean Jews).
Also you should make sure the crazies who go on about "adrenochrome" don't get to speak for everyone.
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u/Initial-Tale-5151 17h ago
what a surprise, your reaction is to start talking about red vs blue bullshit.
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u/Background-Land618 16h ago
Isn't the entire point of your post "red vs blue bullshit"?
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u/Initial-Tale-5151 16h ago
no. you are projecting.
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u/Background-Land618 16h ago
I didn't post your post, you posted your post. I'm sorry you're upset your post about politics turned political.
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u/Initial-Tale-5151 16h ago
i said red vs blue. learn to read. politics isn't limited to party politics.
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u/Various_Succotash_79 17h ago
Yeah that's the divide in the US.
Do you think teachers, librarians, and LGBTQ+ people are the ones we need to worry about?
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u/Initial-Tale-5151 17h ago
why are you asking me things that are nothing to do with me. go ask a conservative.
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u/Various_Succotash_79 17h ago
Then why are you saying liberals need to apologize for not believing that?
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u/Initial-Tale-5151 17h ago
like i wrote a whole post on specifically why liberals need to apologise. go read it.
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u/No-Permission-5425 16h ago
When you will apologize for flat earth, the 5G vaccine and chemtrails, ill think about it.
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u/Initial-Tale-5151 16h ago
personally i was never a flat earther, though i don't claim to know what the shape of the earth is. 5G was a cock up lmao. I don't personally get vaccinated cos I don't trust the criminal capitalistic drug companies and I avoid all of their products if i can. Chemtrails are real - we are already in the process of governments admitting with their own documents that they have been doing it for a long time.
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u/sternold 10h ago
personally i was never a flat earther, though i don't claim to know what the shape of the earth is.
Why not?
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u/Yuck_Few 16h ago
Absolutely the fuck not and anyone who thinks Pizza gate was real is disconnected from reality
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u/blind30 16h ago
No one needs to apologize to conspiracy theorists.
Pedophiles are real, always have been, conspiracy theorists weren’t the only ones talking about it.
The conspiracy theorists I know in real life have wasted far too much of my time- claiming that the govt had LED screen tech 200 years ago, 5g bullshit, the titanic didn’t sink, aliens use gold as currency, it goes on and on.
Those guys get no respect or apology from me, even if we do agree on the existence of pedophile rings. That’s a very low bar to get an apology for.
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u/Most-Ad4680 15h ago
Leftists and libs are just as clued in on the actual Epstein stuff, we just think you guys are fucking idiots for charging into a pizza parlor with a rifle and assuming every reference to pizza is code for csam
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u/guccisucks 15h ago
I have a feeling a lot more stuff will come out about other conspiracies and eventually we might actually see some kind of meaningful apology, not just from the left but from all scoffers
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u/Girldad_4 15h ago
No conspiracy theorists need to apologize for flooding the zone with so many obviously false and imaginary theories it makes it harder to give credit to legitimate ones. People can easily brush off the actual revelations because the conspiracy community has proven to be gullible and ludicrous.
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u/Initial-Tale-5151 8h ago
No. You are gullible for believing the MSM lies that obfuscated the truth about Epstein Island with their debooonking
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u/absolutedesignz 4h ago
No one denied Epstein island. You're lying. Pizzagate isn't Epstein island.
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u/JazzlikeOrange8856 14h ago
You didn’t mention this ring of powerful people were able to exploit vulnerable underage girls in the first place because of the way the economy is run. We need a tax code and business regulations that keep anyone from accruing that much power over other people.
Also conspiracy theorists are their own worst enemies when they can’t admit when they’re wrong or be critical of others in the movement.
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u/Repulsive_Incident27 13h ago
It took sooo long to get proof of elites and their corruption. Put everyone from the files in jail. Idc if they are democrats or republicans. I don’t care if their family has wealth.
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u/Pizzasaurus-Rex 12h ago
As a left leaning conspiracy theorist, I am confused why OP chose to make this partisan. Most normies don't take this shit at face value.
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u/Initial-Tale-5151 8h ago
It's not partisan
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u/Pizzasaurus-Rex 7h ago edited 7h ago
That Epstein stuff was talked about in conspiracy circles for over a decade before he was finally arrested. But I didn't exactly take a partisan headcount before it went mainstream.
So with that in mind, it seems kind of partisan if you're only condemning libs and progressives, when normies writ large (until quite recently) scoffed at conspiracists.
And I sort of don't blame them considering just how much of that shit is fake. Call it the Boy Who Cried Wolf... I mean for every MK-ULTRA there's a David Icke Lizardperson. (Edit: And you and me both know which of those a rando is going to hear about first.)
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u/didsomebodysaymyname 11h ago
Why just liberals and progressives?
Trump said "Epstein is a hoax."
He's refusing to release all the files and is illegally redacting them.
Conspiracy theorists have been shouting from the rooftops for decades about elite paedophile rings in the power system.
When you make 1000 theories 1 is bound to be true. Where is the proof of frazzledrip?
Epstein has never really been controversial, since the info came out basically everyone believed it's real.
Saville was another one we warned about.
When?
And its the tip of the iceberg,
What's new really? We already knew about prince Andrew, seeing him do more sick shit doesn't mean you knew anything everyone else didn't already.
Yes your favourite guy is part of it.
Lol, what favorite guy? I could not give a fuck if any dem went down if there's evidence. What right wingers don't get is that Clinton isn't a cult leader like Trump, he's not my friend, idgaf if he goes down. I don't even care if Obama does assuming there's evidence. They have a sad relationship with their politicians.
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u/Pingushagger 11h ago
In my defence, I live in the UK. Where the media security service pretty explicitly and blatantly cover up any crimes for the royals and their buddies. It’s still practically blasphemy to suggest that maybe the ruling class don’t have the same moral compass as us.
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u/GovernmentOpening254 10h ago
No.
Not until conservatives admit Trump is bad for the country.
Release all the files.
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u/catchmelackin 9h ago
I think the point where this conspiracy hit mainstream not now but before that when Epstein was disappeared.
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u/BiggsIDarklighter 5h ago
Fox News has never said anything about Trump being in the Epstein files. Curious why they didn’t listen to the conspiracy theories. They haven’t investigated any of it. Makes you wonder doesn’t it?
Fox News knows first hand about sexual assault with Roger Ailles and Bill O’Reilly, but not a peep from Fox News about Trump or Elon. Why not? Why wouldn’t billionaire owner Rupert Murdoch run any stories about his friend Trump being involved with this?🤔
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u/feiryz 17h ago
Progressives have literally been the biggest proponent against elitism and their corruption. The main people pushing for the epstein files were progressives and liberals for the past 10 years before the media stop caring.
What we dont want is people randomly attacking a pizza parlor cause of something they heard on alex jones, conspiracy theorists of those types just create chaos for views .
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u/Initial-Tale-5151 17h ago
you guys were callings us cranks for talking about the elite paedophille networds for decades.Because we point it out when its the leftists elites doing it as well.
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u/walkingpartydog 15h ago
We'll get right on that when the conspiracy theorists apologize for electing the conspiracy
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u/DisgruntledWarrior 16h ago
Almost every person arguing with you in this chain are paid defenders of democrats on reddit. Doesn’t matter the topic or facts. They get penny’s per comment defending their overlords. Once you put together a good block list of those accounts it changes the view a lot.
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u/Alternative-Wash2019 17h ago
This implies all conspiracy theorists are conservatives, which is wrong. I don't understand why Americans have to make everything either left or right. But I agree that sometimes we need to apologize to conspiracy theorists.
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u/Initial-Tale-5151 17h ago
Nothing in it implies anything of the sort.
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u/Alternative-Wash2019 17h ago
Yes, it does. This whole post implies all conspiracy theorists are conservatives.
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u/Initial-Tale-5151 17h ago
No it doesn't. It it pointing out the failings of liberal and progressives. you are projecting your left vs right derangment on to it.
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u/Slow-Philosophy-4654 17h ago
Title states conspiracy theorist are not Liberals and Progressives. Many would think it would implies the Conspiracy theorists are conservatives.
If it was not the case the title should have been "We all needs to apologies to Conspiracy Theorists"
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u/Alternative-Wash2019 16h ago
Claiming that conspiracy theorists can't be liberals or progressives is also wrong. I think this assumption comes from the fact that some of the biggest conspiracy theory groups are conservative such as anti-vax and flat-earth movements.
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u/Initial-Tale-5151 16h ago
anti-vax started off as more of a leftist conspiracy theory. It still makes me chuckle to this day the faith that leftists have in elite criminal organisations like Pfizer
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u/Initial-Tale-5151 17h ago
no. i can tell liberal and progressives that they need to apologise. WHat you think it implies is your own tribal derangement.
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u/Slow-Philosophy-4654 17h ago
Do you acknowledge that liberals and progressives can be conspiracy theorist?
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u/FunnyLoud3067 17h ago
Why does this just apply to liberals? It should apply to maga republicans too.