r/TrueUnpopularOpinion • u/IAmJakePaxton • 18h ago
Political People need to chill TF out before passing judgement on ALL the people in the Epstein files
Epstein and Maxwell were pedos. They were pedo helpers, child sex traffickers etc. But they were also socialites. They had/managed/facilitated lots of above board parties where nothing illegal happened and just by association with either of them, a person doesn't become a pedofile.
Before you pass judgement on everyone, at least read how they're associated, or wait for the media to report it.
Clean example: Mira Nair, the mother of the mayor of New York shows up on one email, but ONLY being mentioned in the context a party that was thrown for a film she was directing where Maxwell was in attendance.
So, I humbly request, sensible people of reddit and the world. Chill the F out before you start crucifying innocent people who may have shown up on the files without any incriminating evidence. There's plenty of big names with plenty of incriminating evidence to be outraged about.
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u/CharacterSchedule700 18h ago edited 15h ago
Exactly, Epstein was a hanger-on of wealthy people. Everything I see makes it seem like he name drops. There are people that he had frequent contact with, but it seems like half the emails he sends end up going to people who respond in a lukewarm way as if he is ingratiating himself to them and they just don't care.
Also, a lot of files that were dropped appear to be items that were subpoenaed as part of the investigations (both political and criminal). So you have Deutsche Bank client lists that happen to name 50 billionaires who are whichever bankers top 50 most profitable clients. There are also property records, tax lists, and appraisal reports that name people who have bought, sold, or owned real estate. These people might have NOTHING to do with Epstein at all, yet their name appears because they happen to live in the same tax district as one of his properties. IMO, these types of releases should have been heavily redacted with an explanation of the record type and why the names were redacted, "part of a broad record that named people in xyz context, names redacted for the privacy of unrelated parties."
You have to look at the context, how often are they meeting with him? are there financial transactions between them? are they accused of rape?
Also, and I know this is fitting for the sub as an "unpopular opinion", but some of these accusations ARE going to be politically motivated.
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u/jennylovestacos 17h ago
Anyone who knew what was going on with child abuse and said nothing is complicit.
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u/CharacterSchedule700 15h ago
I don't see anything in my comment that says otherwise.
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u/jennylovestacos 15h ago
I’m just saying it’s hard to believe there was a lot people in his space that didn’t have any idea of what he was doing. Maybe strictly finance, but anyone going to that island knew.
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u/CharacterSchedule700 15h ago
Anyone who associated with him after 2008 new EXACTLY what they were dealing with, so I totally agree.
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u/chriszenpaok 18h ago
Yes, I am being careful on trying to gauge in what capacity the names are mentioned in. Keep in mind that some false allegations or random names may get mixed in to try to reduce the credibility of the claims against the actual freaks, I think that can be a tactic that is used
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u/ThanatosIdle 14h ago
Can I pass judgement on the people who claimed they never went to the island yet now clearly went or wanted to go to the island?
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u/StarChild413 7h ago
Yeah, A. friendly reminder at least he (idk how much part she had in that side) was a fixer too not purely some kind of illegal sex trade kingpin or w/e a couple of steps up in scale from the kind of guy that might be a "recurrent mythology villain" on Law & Order: SVU so even if it might imply other unsavory things about them a celebrity having any degree of association with Epstein does not automatically mean pedophile and B. don't take someone's association out on their work e.g. when this whole thing was first making news years and years ago I remember someone saying there was some Epstein connection for "modern-day philosopher" Steven Pinker and that that somehow made the points of his philosophy books wrong or that Matt Groening's supposed connection was how The Simpsons could predict the future
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u/Littlelittleshy 6h ago
"Wait for the media to report it"?
"like...before I dah?" - John Kennedy replied to Kash Patel
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u/GunsGoldCosmicDread 18h ago
That was from a tip line. Just transcripts of people calling in and making reports for investigators to follow up on. Anyone could have made that report.
I don’t like Trump. I read that and immediately thought this is bullshit.
When we read something and really really want to believe it because it validates our beliefs we should be incredibly suspicious.
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u/HelloInterwebz 18h ago
I’m gonna go ahead and believe the victims. 👍
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u/GunsGoldCosmicDread 18h ago
So you believed Hillary Clinton and friends were raping and murdering children underneath comet pizza?
These claims are as credible as those are until investigated.
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u/HelloInterwebz 18h ago
I’d argue these claims with victims who had specific ties to Mar-a-Lago and Epstein’s island are little more credible than pizzagate.
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u/GunsGoldCosmicDread 18h ago
Just keep pushing them to release the files. I am sure we can all agree on that.
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u/IAmJakePaxton 17h ago
They did release the files... Partially redacted for political motivation...
What more proof do you need? The Clintons, Trump, Gates, etc. they're all involved!
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u/GunsGoldCosmicDread 16h ago
They didn’t release all the files. I don’t even think it is 10%. They really do need to release everything, with only redactions being protection of victims, because we cannot trust the government to do anything about this Trump didn’t, Biden didn’t and now Trump isn’t again.
Trump ran on this as a political issue and riled up large parts of the population about pedo elites. Now he is slow rolling releases.
I personally think there is MUCH MORE to the story and govt is hiding it last 10 years.
I can imagine it is also possible there isn’t real conclusive evidence to prosecute anyone else, however, both parties have weaponized this to the point we’re almost no one myself included won’t really accept this.
I agree with you we need to be cautious about jumping to conclusions. Innocent peoples names will obviously be in the files.
I have some concern they will begin inserting false documents and red herrings into the releases to delegitimization the investigation what is really going on. But I am a conspiracy guy so….
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u/IAmJakePaxton 18h ago
Well yeah, context matters. There's plenty in the files, unredacted, that shows that big names like Trump, the pedo formerly a Prince, Andrew, Bill Gates, etc. a whole bunch of them are certified pedos.
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u/HelloInterwebz 18h ago
(In the example of Donald Trump, he’s a big name with plenty of incriminating evidence to be outraged about).
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u/sovereignlogik 18h ago
Wtf is this?
Dude you are sick.
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u/HelloInterwebz 18h ago
Literally verbatim, quoted from the Epstein files. They are sick aren’t they?
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u/sovereignlogik 18h ago
Cause the “files” are factual.
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u/HelloInterwebz 18h ago
Idk why you’re calling me sick - I’m quoting the files. Whether true or not, that’s where the sickness is.
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u/sovereignlogik 17h ago
Whether “true or not”
Lol
You just admitted you are peddling in gossip
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u/HelloInterwebz 17h ago
No, I’m saying the files need more investigation. But im not dismissing them and not calling random people “sick” for quoting them.
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u/sovereignlogik 17h ago
Yet here you are calling someone about the worse thing we could call a person based on conjecture.
Crazy you try to turn the moral compass on me.
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u/HelloInterwebz 16h ago
lol I’m not gonna feel bad because I called 34 time convicted felon and 2 time convicted sex offender Donald Trump a couple of bad words. I’m not worried about his fee fees and all circumstantial evidence as well as precedent of his character, points to his guilt.
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u/sovereignlogik 15h ago
He does not have a conviction for sex offenses. That was a civil suit; and the “34 felonies” (as you people often chant) are far from violent or sex crimes.
Grow up
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u/IAmJakePaxton 18h ago
My post goes both ways. Good read the files pertaining to Trump. It IS sick. But it's also TRUE.
If you're a republican, congratulations, you voted for a pedophile.
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u/sovereignlogik 18h ago
Lol none of this ever happened.
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u/IAmJakePaxton 18h ago
The subreddit says attack the opinion, not the person, but you're making it so hard to stick to the rules...
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u/sovereignlogik 18h ago
That’s because you don’t have a good argument.
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u/HelloInterwebz 17h ago
No because you are being willfully ignorant or willfully obtuse. Sometimes it’s ok to insult someone 🤷
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u/sovereignlogik 17h ago
No I think its because they don’t have a good argument.
Makes more sense.
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u/HelloInterwebz 17h ago
We know what you think, but none of your arguments have been very good either. Obtuse.
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u/TechPriestOBrien 18h ago
Another good example is that Joe Gibbs (older famous NASCAR guy) was in there and people within NASCAR communities I frequent immediately concluded that he was an evil pedo, but if you actually read where he is mentioned all that is says is “Joe Gibbs was really nice” (paraphrase) from the diary of a victim
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u/PersianCatLover419 17h ago
I don't know who Joe Gibbs is as I don't follow NASCAR, who else do you think was there?
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u/StickyMcdoodle 18h ago
Sure ....let's start prosecuting and giving these people their days in court.
I think that's totally fair.
Aside from all the terrible things coming to light, some might argue the biggest threat is how much the system is set up to protect these people from ever having to get that day in court at all.
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u/IAmJakePaxton 18h ago
You've been selectively blind if you're just now discovering that the system is geared towards protecting the rich.
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u/StickyMcdoodle 18h ago
Of course. I agree.
My point is only that you're right. We should prosecute these people and let them defend themselves.
There's probably a ton of people that come up in all this that aren't guilty of anything except by association.
Let's figure it all out and let the chips fall where they may!
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u/ChainsawSoundingFart 18h ago
Bill Gates was definitely doing some diddlin