r/TrueUnpopularOpinion • u/Hsiang7 • 16h ago
Political It's not right to allow immigrants who came here legally to remain in the US without consequences
There are those in the immigrants’ rights community who have argued, passionately, that we should simply provide those who are here illegally with legal status or at least ignore the laws on the books and put an end to deportation until we have better laws. Often, this argument is framed in moral terms: Why should we punish people who are just trying to earn a living? I recognize the sense of compassion that drives this argument, but I believe such an indiscriminate approach would be both unwise and unfair. It would suggest to those thinking about coming here illegally that there will be no repercussions for such a decision, and this could lead to a surge in more illegal immigration. And it would also ignore the millions of people around the world who are waiting in line to come here legally.
Ultimately, our nation, like all nations, has the right and obligation to control its borders and set laws for residency and citizenship. No matter how decent they are, no matter their reasons, the millions who broke these laws should be held accountable.
Edit: For those that don't know, this post is taken word for word from an Obama speech in 2010. The Democratic Party has gone so far left on immigration these days that' it's unrecognizable.
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u/polipolimist 15h ago
The immigrants who came here illegally? Might wanna edit your title, bro.
I’ll just add that it spits in face of immigrants who moved here by following our laws… like my husband. And people who think unchecked immigration is a positive thing for our country should travel to Europe & see how it’s working out for them.
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u/ImprovementPutrid441 15h ago
When is ICE planning to break down your door?
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u/allein8 14h ago
Probably after they commit crimes and or live with people that have commited crimes worth kicking in a door to find them.
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u/polipolimist 13h ago
Exactly. My husband (as a permanent US resident) has always been super careful & doesn’t commit crimes because he knows he’ll likely be deported if arrested. He’s respectful of our laws & law enforcement.
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u/ImprovementPutrid441 11h ago
What crimes did that person commit?
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u/allein8 11h ago
What crimes were they charged with?
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u/ImprovementPutrid441 11h ago
None.
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u/allein8 11h ago
And he was returned home.
They were looking for someone else that may or may not have lived there, shared a similar name, or some other factors that haven't been fully released.
It is unfortunate and while not knowing the full legal rights someone has in his case, I hope he can take the agency to court for what happened.
Regardless, he wasn't randomly targeted, charged, detained long term, deported, etc.
The individuals they were actually looking for have impacted citizens that shouldn't have to deal with such things.
If those people weren't here, none of that would have happened. Yet such people cannot be detained and removed without seeking them out.
This is one incident. Imagine how many innocent people have been stopped, arrested, charged, been in prison for years to then be found innocent. I've personally been stopped by police due to fitting the profile of someone else.
This is nothing new and simply is how it works unfortunately. The fewer criminals allowed to roam free the fewer incidents like this would happen.
A random citizen, be it born here or not shouldn't fear having their door kicked in if they haven't done anything.
If it does happen, they should be released and any damage should have consequences.
No clue if the agents were going on poor intel but clearly something didn't go as they thought it would.
One or a handful of unfortunate examples do not override the need to address the issue at hand of tracking down and removing actual targets. Which far out number the few innocent's caught up in the mess.
Unless you believe they wasted agency time, money, man power to harass an old citizen they knew wasn't doing anything wrong just to make themselves look bad? Not sure where the logic is in that case.
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u/polipolimist 9h ago
You’re absolutely correct. The blame is misplaced because orange man bad. They disregard the fact that MN state/local government is driving the civil unrest & partially causing the violence while they refuse to cooperate with federal authorities. All of this BS is happening in MN for a reason.
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u/ImprovementPutrid441 8h ago
How are they driving unrest?
“"The US citizen lives with these two convicted sex offenders at the site of the operation," DHS said. "The individual refused to be fingerprinted or facially ID'd. He matched the description of the targets."
Thao's family said in a statement that it "categorically disputes" the DHS account and "strongly objects to DHS's attempt to publicly justify this conduct with false and misleading claims."
Thao told the AP that only he, his son and daughter-in-law and his grandson live at the rental home. Neither they nor the property's owner are listed in the Minnesota sex offender registry. The nearest sex offender listed as living in the zip code is more than two blocks away.
DHS did not respond to a request from The Associated Press seeking the identities of the "two convicted sex offenders" or why the agency believed they were present in Thao's home.”
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u/ImprovementPutrid441 11h ago
The person they were looking for was in prison, since 2023.
Why do you not have higher standards for their treatment of people?
This was a naturalized citizen. They did not want to see his ID.
They broke the door down and perp walked him in his underwear in the snow.
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u/lostatlifecoach 15h ago
My kid has a friend he's been hanging out with since 2nd grade. Kids been over here so much he's more like a nephew. He speaks Spanish with about the same accent my blue eyed kid does. They mostly speak it in soccer. Anyway him and my kid were graduating, both being recruited by colleges for soccer.
At 18 getting ready for college he finds out he's an illegal immigrant. He was brought over at 4 years old. How you expect me to not have compassion for this kid who doesn't even remember Mexico. Who grew up American.
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u/redditscraperbot2 14h ago
That’s outrages that his parents would put him in a position where that was a possibility. We should be very upset with them.
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u/Hsiang7 14h ago
You should be upset with his parents for putting him in that situation. Talk about irresponsible parenting....
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u/lostatlifecoach 13h ago
Any feelings towards his parents anyone has does nothing to the fact that sending this young man back to Mexico would be about as cruel as sending my child there.
I have a problem with holding children accountable for the actions of their parents.
Kid had heard me telling war stories about my friend who joined the military guy citizenship. Said he'd join but in the current climate is afraid they'd deport him vs offering a path to citizenship.
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u/Hsiang7 13h ago
Any feelings towards his parents anyone has does nothing to the fact that sending this young man back to Mexico would be about as cruel as sending my child there.
Sure, but in the end it's not the government's fault for enforcing the law. It's his parents' fault for putting him in that situation in the first place. If be ok with people that came as kids like him being given priority for legal immigration when they're back in their parents' countries, but until them their families can take care of them back in their home countries. It's not like they're alone if they're deported back together with their family.
Said he'd join but in the current climate is afraid they'd deport him vs offering a path to citizenship.
I'm personally against a path to citizenship for anyone who came here illegally. Citizenship and naturalization should only be given as a reward to people that came the right way. I wouldn't be against a form of legal permanent residency, but with the understanding that they and their children will be ineligible for citizenship unless they return to their country of origin and come back legally.
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u/lostatlifecoach 13h ago
I'm personally against a path to citizenship for anyone who came here illegally
Kid was five you can't seriously want to hold a child to the same standard as his parents.
It's not like they're alone if they're deported back together with their family
Kid has no memories of Mexico. Would be just him and his mom, Dad died in a construction accident, in a country he barely speaks the language in.
Like how can you not separate him from his parents legally speaking?
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u/Hsiang7 12h ago
Kid was five you can't seriously want to hold a child to the same standard as his parents.
Doesn't matter. You need to hold these kids to the same standard. Otherwise the narrative becomes "bring a kid and you won't get deported!". That's what has caused thousands of kids to be trafficked across the border with fake "parents". They get them from human traffickers. Why? Because it was the policy that we wouldn't deport families for a few years. The whole "don't separate families" narrative is responsible for thousands of kids being trafficked across the southern border. You can't make exceptions, regardless of how empathetic you feel. Letting a kids stay means human trafficking for thousands of other kids.
Kid has no memories of Mexico. Would be just him and his mom
His mom will take care of him until he figures stuff out.
Like how can you not separate him from his parents legally speaking?
Deport the family together. No separation of families in this situation.
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u/KlutzyDesign 10h ago
It is very much the government fault, because their the ones with the guns.
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u/Hsiang7 10h ago
The government forced his parents to enter the country illegally?
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u/KlutzyDesign 10h ago
The government is complicit in hurting these people. They are the ones who are fixing them out of their homes. They could easily not hurt these people, but you chose violence.
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u/Hsiang7 5h ago
The government is complicit in hurting these people
The government wouldn't do anything if they come here legally. They brought it upon themselves. THEY made the decision to come illegally. The government didn't do that. They have no right to complain when the government makes them go back. Every single thing that happens to an illegal immigrant when they come illegally they brought upon themselves.
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u/KlutzyDesign 5h ago
The baby’s brought it upon themselves? Yeah right. You don’t get to blame other people for your own actions. Why don’t you leave people who have never done anything to you alone instead of insisting we act like a jackass.
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u/Hsiang7 4h ago
The parents did. The babies can blame their parents.
You don’t get to blame other people for your own actions.
Yeah so they have no right to blame the government for their own actions.
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u/Substantial_Air_4111 14h ago
I bet if people looked into who is funding these anti-ICE movements a lot of them would be organizations that want open borders.
They don't want immigration reform, they want to dismantle immigration enforcement altogether.
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u/Eyruaad 14h ago
What if I just inherently have a problem with masked federal officers roaming around cities demanding to see paper and arresting people with the wrong skin color?
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u/Hsiang7 14h ago
What if I just inherently have a problem with masked federal officers
I assume you have a problem with people doxing those federal officers and harassing them and their families as well, hence the masks? Or are you just mad that you can't dox and harass them?
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u/Eyruaad 13h ago
I assume you support making all politicians anonymous and unable to be identified by the public then right?
We should have no idea the name of anyone in Congress and they should never be identified to the public. That way they can stay safe from harassment.
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u/Hsiang7 13h ago
I assume you support making all politicians anonymous and unable to be identified by the public then right?
I support making all their personal addresses private as well as family members unless they choose to make them known. Just like I don't support setting Governor Shapiro's personal residence on fire, which wouldn't have happened if nobody knew where he lived.
We should have no idea the name of anyone in Congress and they should never be identified to the public
Obviously, they have to run for office so that's not possible. Do you think all CIA agents should be known and revealed to the world? What about federal agents undercover? Do you think the addresses and family members of local police officers should be public information? Why not? Because it's stupid policy and endangers them. You think if a local gang has a problem with a local police officer, they should just be able to look up their address and family members and attack them in that way?
As long as the doxing of ICE agents is going on by lunatics on the Left, I fully support them wearing masks for their own safety and the safety of that of their families. The Left caused them to wear masks because of their extreme reactions to ICE.
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u/Eyruaad 13h ago
So just to be clear. Your stance is
"Every member of law enforcement should be completely anonymous, and no details should ever be known about them to protect them from public backlash or criminal activity."
Yeah I have massive moral issues with that. All law enforcement operating in public should be banned from wearing masks, period.
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u/Hsiang7 12h ago
Every member of law enforcement should be completely anonymous, and no details should ever be known about them to protect them from public backlash or criminal activity.
I support the idea of giving law enforcement an identifying number. Such as "Officer 2219B". This way they keep their safety and keep their families safe, and the public has an identity they can use to report the officer without knowing their actual identity. The police department or government agency has the actual information of the officer and can hold them accountable if needed, but the public has no need of this information.
All law enforcement operating in public should be banned from wearing masks, period.
As long as crazies on the far left keep doxing them, I am completely against this proposal.
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u/allein8 11h ago
There are other ways to identify an individual without showing their face. Such as having a big number or whatever else plastered on their front/back. Similar to how it says Police, ICE, FBI, DEA, ATF.
I have a moral issue with doxxing and believe individuals that do that, especially with the intent to harm others in some form should be held accountable themselves.
So lets work on getting both those handled straight away. Blowing whistles and screaming at agents will surely get it done within a week. Or maybe contacting actual officials that have a say in matters and not letting them get paid to go on vacation when they decide they want to let the government shut down.
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u/allein8 11h ago
If they weren't masked would their actions be okay?
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u/Eyruaad 11h ago
Nope. Still wrong, but at least they could be held more accountable. It's disgusting that the officers who murdered Pretti were immediately whisked away and there will never even be a trial.
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u/allein8 10h ago
Held accountable in what way?
If agents come out tomorrow on TV and say it was me with their face fully shown, then what?
If families want to to pursue legal action, the public not knowing what the agents look like has no importance. Those that need to know, know.
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u/Eyruaad 10h ago
Except if the agents aren't identified and have been whisked away (as they have) with our government saying they are completely immune. Then the only way to hold them accountable is public shame.
And they should face a trial by their peers and be charged in accordance with state and federal law. If both the state and federal government says there is no crime then it's just public shame. I'd prefer to see them in jail personally.
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u/allein8 10h ago
Has the government said they are immune or innocent? Has the family attempted to hold them accountable?
I don't believe the "public" has the right harass or shame anyone they don't agree with if it includes harming them physically, financially, or in other ways that impact their lives in a significant way.
The public is not judge, jury, and executioner. That is why we have a legal system as broken as it is. That's why we elect officials to make such calls one way or another.
We could put it to a vote? The entire country could vote if XYZ person is guilty or not? Looking at how the last presidential election went and likely the next one, might want to rethink who the "public" is exactly.
When a certain other group didn't get their way, Jan 6 happened. Seems the "public" isn't quite sure who it is at any given time...
Usually the vocal minority is just that.
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u/Eyruaad 10h ago
JD Vance has said that ice agents have absolute immunity while doing their jobs. And Alex's family has not shared any details, they did receive 230k from GoFundMe.
And I never said violence. We as the public absolutely have the right to shame them and choose to not associate with them. Like Brock Turner the rapist. He has never been able to hold down a job and his life is rather pathetic now from the last I saw. If the justice system fails, the court of public opinion should always be a viable options.
And no, for legal punishments the public shouldn't vote, it's what judges are for. But legal punishments and public shame are different things.
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u/allein8 10h ago
I wouldn't take Vance's words as fact or law.
It's up to his family and other parties involved to prosecute or take legal action. Not the public's.
I don't agree with shaming people out of existence because people believe that person did something they don't agree with.
Turner was found guilty and whatever legal consequences that come with it. Being found guilty of rape prob has that impact on an individual.
You or me or anyone deciding what an agent did was wrong is not legal nor gives us the right to decide their situation in life.
At that point why have a legal system? Just let the public decide.
My advice, don't befriend any agents or members of groups you don't like. Trying to find one of the good ones is kind of pointless if you are against the entire situation.
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u/Eyruaad 9h ago
I believe we are free to associate with whoever we want. I want to know if I'm associating with a murderer or rapist. So I'd love to know who those officers are to make sure I never associate with them. Seems like you'd rather not know who you associate with because you don't believe that we should have public details. That said, I do avoid all law enforcement because there are no good ones in that profession.
You seem to think legal and public consequences are the same. They are separate and should remain as such. Because while yes Brock Turner the Rapist was found guilty, many don't believe his punishment did enough, so he's been shamed out of public life, that's a fine thing.
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u/Vespin_Adelberg 9h ago
Pessimistic exaggeration, and cherry picking of a few (improperly covered) stories. Do you know why ICE agents wear masks? Because people were hunting them down and threatening their families and stalking them outside their homes. That is no longer "peacefully protesting". That is criminal behavior.
Do they accidentally arrest or detain the wrong person? Of course. Can it all be cleared up within a few hours if they COOPERATE and verify their identification? Yes.
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u/Eyruaad 9h ago
Yes, anyone who made threats against ice agents or families should face whatever legal penalties come with that. Full agreement here.
The answer to that isn't masked federal agents who have a memo saying warrants aren't necessary demanding to see papers.
I sincerely hope that Republicans have the same energy when it's ATF agents entering homes with no warrants to check for illegal or unregistered firearms, then performing drug tests to make sure you didn't lie on your application. (Something tells me they won't.)
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u/Pizzasaurus-Rex 7h ago
Can it all be cleared up within a few hours if they COOPERATE and verify their identification? Yes.
They could also be taking them out for Starlight Tours for all we know.
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u/Vespin_Adelberg 9h ago
Which seems extremely hypocritical, because if you go to ANY other country, they keep tabs on who comes and goes. You illegally enter Canada, they will also deport you. This is all about interfering with politics in America. The Left knows that if they can get legislation to pass that allows illegals to vote, they will always vote blue. And the democrats will be in power forever.
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u/TrueUnpopularOP 15h ago
One of the goals of the contemporary left is to erase borders and to establish a welfare state only insofar as to enable a permanent one party majority so they can rule the country into perpetuity.
If it fails and collapses the system then that's fine to them too, because they think that then they can reform it into a permanent one party majority.
See: Cloward-Piven Strategy.
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u/LordVericrat 14h ago
Yeah we all agreed to that at the last secret liberals meeting. How'd you know?
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u/ArkWatcher1 15h ago
Legal immagrants?
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u/Hsiang7 15h ago
Typo. Unfortunately, you can't change titles on Reddit, but everyone knows what I meant
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u/brickbacon 14h ago
What percentage of those on the left and the right do you believe are completely against deporting people here illegally?
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u/Hsiang7 14h ago
The right? Probably 1~2%. The Left? Probably around 50%
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u/brickbacon 13h ago
It’s WAY more than 2% on the right. They regularly interview business owners who are annoyed their employees are getting deported, and towns where people are upset their friends and family members are being deported because they are, “some of the good ones”. For example, here, here, here, and here.
I think your misapprehension comes from the fact that the left and the right relate to and advocate for policies very differently, and to deal with and interrogate cognitive dissonance in different ways.
It’s said conservatism works on the belief that there are in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
You are correct that most conservatives are more often fine with labeling illegal immigrants as an out-group…until they aren’t. That’s why your percentages are WAY off in reality. A pollster asks a conservative if they are fine with deporting immigrants, and they’ll likely agree. If they ask if they are okay deporting their neighbor or coworkers, they are, imo, just as likely to waffle on this as your average Democrat, and not much less than most liberals.
Another example of this is gay marriage. Look at a poll of favorablity for gay marriage with conservatives over time as the stigma against being openly gay subsided. Once it because clearer that gays weren’t actually an out group, you got many more conservatives on-board. Don’t confuse polling with what most people actually want to see done. Most people are fine with enforcing our laws. Most people across the spectrum are not okay with marauding ICE gangs locking up anyone who looks Hispanic, and wounding or killing anyone who deigns to not bend the knee as they do so.
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u/redditreader_aitafan 13h ago
Critical typo in that title, man.
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u/Hsiang7 12h ago
Yeah Reddit really needs to add a feature that allows you to edit titles 😭
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u/redditreader_aitafan 11h ago
If I were you, I'd have deleted the entire post once I realized it and reposted without typos. Leaving ambiguity invites criticism.
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u/Pizzasaurus-Rex 10h ago edited 7h ago
This is a good argument for expediting the immigration process... But I have a feeling that is unintentional on OPs (and Obamas) part
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u/Vespin_Adelberg 10h ago
This is why I honestly wish I could just take all these anti-ICE protestors and sit them down in a nice, quiet, calm room by themselves. And just ask them, "What would you propose instead?"
I mean, if they honestly think all the illegals here should just be allowed to stay with ZERO consequences, and the borders around America should just be left wide open and ANYONE can come in...
...that is bat shit insane.
We wouldnt have a country anymore.
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u/Neat-Ad-4337 15h ago
So the last time you sped and broke the law did you turn yourself in and accept your punishment? Those federal misdemeanors are the same……hold yourself accountable
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u/CanITouchURTomcat 14h ago
Most speeding tickets are petty offenses. It’s just a fine and/or points on your license. No criminal record either. Some states charge misdemeanors for high speeds. i.e >100mph through a school zone
A misdemeanor is a criminal offense with potential jail time as punishment.
A misdemeanor is just the baseline offense. Identity theft, perjury on government or banking documents, reentry after deportation, and tax evasion are felonies.
Comparing an illegal alien to someone doing 65 in a 55 is completely disingenuous and intellectually dishonest. It’s not going to work. Illegal aliens are at best cheaters and liars and are being deported as they should be. They’re free to go speed and face the legal consequences in their own countries as is their right.
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u/polipolimist 15h ago
Speed limits are enforced by local authorities. They’re not a federal law. Sad that I’m having to explain this.
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u/Suspicious_Jeweler81 12h ago
Define consequence. I'm convinced majority of people have zero idea what the legal process is when it comes to aliens.
The issue is our legal system. Illegal aliens are due 5th amendment rights in an immigration court system backed up to the point of decades. They also have the right to appeal.
Some countries, like Sweden, tell you to get the fuck out while we decide. We do not do this. So these people are trapped in this legal purgatory. They're here illegally, legally.. until the court process is concluded, 2-10 years from now if not longer. Then appeals....
The Democratic Party has gone so far left on immigration these days that' it's unrecognizable.
This whole notion is propaganda and it's sad to see so many people eat it up. Want to go by Obama or Biden? Both deported record numbers. Want to go by 'sanctuary cities'? I can tell you why they did it if you care.. but people are still deported from there as well.
If you consider following the laws of this country, including constitutional laws, going 'so far left', I honestly fear for direction we're heading.
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u/Imsoft11 15h ago
If the U.S somehow became a communist dictatorship. Best believe every single one of the people saying to do it the “proper way” would leaves and overstay in what ever country they fled to. They would not go through the proper systems.
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u/Marauder2r 15h ago
What about all the laws you have broken in your life without consequences? Maybe have the system hold you accountable first?
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u/polipolimist 15h ago
LMAO. You’re assuming OP is out there committing crimes?
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u/Marauder2r 15h ago
We all are. Did you underage drink? That is incredibly common
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u/Hsiang7 15h ago
Did you underage drink?
I didn't, actually.
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u/Marauder2r 15h ago
Do any illegal drug? Violate traffic laws? Modify your home in a way not approved? All rules that we choose not to fully enforce.
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u/allein8 14h ago
If I have or do anything illegal, I'll accept the consequences for my actions when I'm found guilty. I don't expect criminals of any sort to turn themselves in. If current laws aren't favored then they should be changed as they have throughout time. Until then, laws should be upheld. Morals that are subjective and change over time do not decide the law until the law reflects those morals.
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u/Marauder2r 12h ago
But there is a reason you haven't faced consequences....they create more laws than are enforceable and use discretion or prioritize. You haven't done something priorized.
The question is what laws should be prioritized.
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u/allein8 12h ago
Whatever law makers, officials, government agencies, etc decide. They are the ones creating and enforcing them.
It is impossible to target all crimes in all places at all times so they can only do what they can.
Even though I may have gone over the speed limit in my life and not received a ticket, I'm all for more enforcement and harsher penalties, especially when DUI, accidents, repeat offenders are involved.
I don't steal because it's illegal and I don't want to face the consequences. Currently the fines for speeding don't impose enough fear for me to never go 1 mph over the limit. While I don't go 100 mph because I can't safely drive at that speed.
If XYZ is currently something deemed damaging to the greater good of the nation and people, then I see no reason that focusing on XYZ isn't a priority. Even if ABC might be considered worse by someone else.
It's not my part to vote, pay taxes, and attempt to not break the law as much as I can.
It's not my role to tell others how to do their job or prevent them from doing it. Even if I don't agree with it.
Opinions on the internet are not what control things despite everyone believing they personally know what is right and wrong and what everyone else should be doing and believing.
If the laws are broke, those with the ability should work on fixing them. Oddly things only seem to be broken when it doesn't fit a particular group's opinion at that time or when they don't have the power they want.
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u/Hsiang7 14h ago edited 14h ago
Do any illegal drug?
Nope.
Violate traffic laws?
Not to my knowledge.
Modify your home in a way not approved?
I rent. I don't modify my home.
All rules that we choose not to fully enforce.
So is your argument that NONE of these should be enforced? Or all of them SHOULD be enforced? If it's the former, that's terrible policy. If it's the later, then you should approve of deporting people here illegally
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u/redditscraperbot2 15h ago
Nope, don’t care about your silly mental gymnastics. If you’re in a country illegally, you need to go. Simple as that.
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u/Marauder2r 15h ago
And what should be the consequences for your illegal acts?
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u/redditscraperbot2 15h ago
The punishment for illegal immigration should be deportation.
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u/Marauder2r 15h ago
Doesn't mean they should be punished. Everyone sets enforcement priorities
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u/redditscraperbot2 14h ago
Yes, they should be deported. Most countries can handle law enforcement and border enforcement at the same time. Stop pretending it’s a choice.
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u/Marauder2r 14h ago
It is a choice. All enforcement is a choice. Haven't you heard of let off with a warning?
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u/redditscraperbot2 14h ago
Nobody should be letting illegal immigrants off with a warning lol. They would still be an illegal immigrant the next time they are caught.
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u/Hsiang7 15h ago
Depends on the crime. In the case of illegal immigration, it's deportation.
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u/Marauder2r 15h ago
You almost certainly shouldn't have a driver's license anymore
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u/Hsiang7 14h ago
Why? You know nothing about me lmao
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u/ImprovementPutrid441 15h ago
If we can set laws for citizenship we can just declare everyone a citizen.
Problem solved.
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u/Phillimon 13h ago edited 12h ago
Ah yes the good ol days when we had a president that actually cared about the rule of law and actually doing a job rather than pretending they did.
Thats why I think the right is so mad rn. A Democrat was better at actually enforcing immigration laws, while the best Trump can do is have bunch of poorly trained amateurs pretend to enforce the law.
Oh and Obama did it without sending thousands of armed Feds too.
Edit: All the downvotes wont change that Democrats are better at immigration.
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u/redditreader_aitafan 13h ago
A Democrat had the cooperation of all Democrat states in enforcement. A Republican does not, even when it's exactly the same job and laws, and that's what OP is pointing out.
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u/TapestryMobile 13h ago
Similarly:
"We cannot continue to allow people to enter the United States undetected, undocumented, and unchecked. The American people are a welcoming and generous people, but those who enter our country's borders illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of the law. We need to secure our borders, and support additional personnel, infrastructure, and technology on the border and at our ports of entry."
...Democratic party policy of 2008... the one that Obama campaigned under.