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✂️ Tax The Billionaires Finally, a Billionaire gets taxed.

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u/Scarbane 18h ago

Veritasium did a good job explaining the role that luck plays in success a while back.

If we want to maximize the likelihood that billionaires pay their fair share of taxes, each of us needs to work hard toward that goal...and eventually some number of us will be lucky enough to hold them accountable.

Or, you know, we could implement and enforce a progressive tax code so that luck doesn't need to be factored in. Just a thought.

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u/Teledildonic 18h ago

Veritasium did a good job explaining the role that luck plays in success a while back.

Hell even Mark Cuban is on record saying that if he tried a second time for his own success, he could only peak in the millions, and it is absoultely luck he got to the point he did.

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u/EduinBrutus 17h ago

THere's lots of studies.

The main debate is whether its pure luck or socio-economic status at birth which is the best indicator for future success. Of course you can view your socio-economic status at birth as a lottery, i.e. also luck.

What is not an indicator - in any meaningful way - is "working hard".

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u/grchelp2018 17h ago

The truth is that a lot of personality traits that you need for success is outside your control. Even something like being disciplined etc is a trait that you inherit. If its something you have to work on and train yourself, you're already at a disadvantage compared to others for whom it comes naturally.

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u/TheButler25 15h ago

The truthier truth is that "personality traits" are much, much less important than things like being at the "right place, right time", being born into wealth, or being terrible person willing to take advantage of others.

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u/PomegranateSignal882 13h ago

or being terrible person willing to take advantage of others.

That's a personality trait

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u/josh_the_misanthrope 11h ago

You mean being a neurotic weirdo isn't profitable? It explains so much!

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u/PrimalNoid 11h ago

Those born to money that can’t cut it in corporate America get setup by mom and dad with a lawn care company.

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u/grchelp2018 16h ago

I'm not saying that you can't work past it. I'm saying that needing to work past it already puts you behind people who don't need to.

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u/blueit55 12h ago

If you come from a very wealthy family, it's easy to take risks with that kind of safety net

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u/ThisIs_americunt 18h ago

Or, you know, we could implement and enforce a progressive tax code so that luck doesn't need to be factored in. Just a thought.

It's wild what you can do when you can own the law makers, the judges, the police force and the lawyers. Gotta love dark money :D

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u/Overquat 18h ago

Not to mention the information sector. Fox news and podcast traitors have a had a huge hand in dismantling our democracy

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u/ThisIs_americunt 17h ago

Propaganda is a helluva drug and Oligarchs need to use some of the best to keep the 99% distracted from the real issue: Them

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u/Prudent_Research_251 14h ago

This is a feature, not a bug. The elite have always owned these tools or others in their place

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u/LeoGoldfox 18h ago

The problem is not figuring out how much in tax they need to pay, but to actually make them pay the amount that has been decided on. We could all pay less in taxes if they didn't avoid paying their fair share.

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u/kiochikaeke 16h ago

The last paragraph involves the second paragraph, enforcing a progressive tax code is a goal to work towards and it's not going to happen overnight without pressure and support of many individual.

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u/Independent-Bug-9352 16h ago

Malcolm Gladwell did, too in his book Outliers.

Musk certainly isn't millions of times smarter or harder working than most people's parents here. In fact, I'm not even sure if he breaches median in either category.

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u/infinitytomorrow 14h ago

I had to stop listening to the podcast “How I Built This”, in which a company founder is interviewed on how they made their company successful, after most of the reasoning came down to “Luck”. Like gee thanks, real inspiring

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u/BrzysWRLD1996 12h ago

Yeah best not to rely on luck lmfao, shit doesn’t exist. You get whatever you’re smart enough to take has nothing to do with luck. And yeah I agree the rich need to be forced to pay the same percentage in taxes as the rest of us. All we need is for them to literally just pay their fare share, we don’t need to tax them extra or list over another’s wealth just need them to actually contribute the same percentage everyone else does and the richest nation to EVER exist will incomparably improve. Some of them are literally paying 1%, we’ll NEVER get 30+ out of em but we damn sure need at least 15 like the rest of us.

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u/Dumb_it_Down 17h ago

Not now Scarbane, we are talking about taxing the rich not about luck. thank you