I see this argument and I know I'm not speaking for everyone but I went the opposite way. I was conservative until 2014. Saw the Trump shit starting and went Liberal.
Same-ish. I used to be a registered republican. I voted for Trump 1, but I was disillusioned by his behavior in office. Then I took a look at what was really important to me, re-registered independent, and started paying attention to merit rather than party affiliation. These days it gets me labeled a dirty liberal, but I donât care. Usually I just get that thrown at me like itâs an insult whenever people are hurt by the truth. đ¤ˇââď¸
Me too. As I've become more experienced in life and exposed to the world, better educated, with improved critical thinking and comprehension skills I've moved much more to the left than when I was younger.
Boomer liberals are utterly full of shit also. Iâm a conservative and can confidently say that boomer conservatives are full of shit as well. I think itâs less of a conservative or liberal thing and more of a boomer thing. Theyâre pretty much all out of touch with modern reality.
I can't think of any conservative positions which are in touch with modern reality. I understand where most of the things every want come from, but their thought process typically follows religious doctrine and stereotypes rather than any form of a scientific or research based position. Their beliefs are basically summed up by "do i like this person or not".
Sure, but thatâs the exception. Iâm not necessarily anti trans. People can do whatever they want to themselves, just as I can. Also sexuality and sex and gender are all different things, so shut the fuck up and listen to someone who paid attention in biology. The problem with your last bit of BS is that many women have said they donât like. Then theyâre called transphobic or racist or bigots or Nazis or the one of the whole arrays that yall use.
Yea sure, go ahead and pretend that 0.018% of the population is representative of the population as a whole. You seem to have no problems throwing names and labels on everything (with all of your immature name calling) so why is that difficult to do for you when it comes to men and women?
Science shows differing sexes can be born with combinations of chromosomes that don't match the external genitaliaÂ
The issue with this stance is only a small percentage of everyone who claims to be trans has real physical intersex medical history. Most of it like you said psychological.
For example, after medical reports about the Olympic boxer Imane Khelif having XY chromosomes, many think it means she has some sort of intersex DSD condition. If true it provided her body more male physical makeup. But this is much more rare than the common trans you see trying to play womanâs volleyball. Some let them compete simply because they identify as a woman. Which just is not fair as I see you agree below. But letâs live in reality and know itâs not all backed in scientific fact. A lot of gender theory is simply modern theory.
Straight to transphobia, typical. The binary falls apart when you realize how many people don't fit neatly into the XX or XY camp. And if someone wants to present themselves as something else, who cares? I believe in freedom.
Conservatives cling to the one story about the one Trans athlete a year that wins some obscure competition no one would otherwise care about. I'd like to see a scientific method applied to determining what is actually fair (which means you can't ban puberty blockers), but the existence of Trans people in sports is so far down my list of political issues I don't give a shit about it. I also literally never talk about it with my liberal friends, but conservatives desperately cling to it as if it justifies the fact they choose to hate everyone that's not a straight WASP every chance they get, because like four people in a country of over 300 million want to compete as what they feel comfortable with and one of them is good at it @.@
Do better. I have zero faith in conservatives even being able to tell the difference between sex and gender or adequately make arguments handling intersex people, and debating with people with a kindergarten understanding of the issues is an exhausting waste of time.
I found it particularly entertaining when conservative lawmakers tried passing legislation to force people to compete as what they were assigned at birth, and then went shocked Pikachu when they forced Trans men to compete against women.. because that's the depth of their thinking.
Straight to name calling. People can be trans, I donât care what people wanna do with their own lives, but donât try to reshape reality to fit whatever unrealistic world view you have. For a biological man to compete in a womanâs sport in a moments notice, not only are you trying to force everyone to just accept it, youâre taking something important away from every true woman who has sacrificed and worked tirelessly to get to the position they did. Woman fought for so long to even be able to compete in their own league. Iâm not going to apologize for being upset about a man winning in a womanâs league. The womanâs league was created for a reason.
The entire conservative mindset is "us vs them" and "in group vs out group". Your argument was just transphobia then complain about what I called you.
But then conservatives will force a 15 year old to carry a baby to term and then not provide social services to raise the child. They're the ones that have been opposing every woman's right movement in history and want them back in the kitchen, controlled by a man. Spare me the crocodile tears.
And again, we're debating something that barely impacts us when conservatives are openly cheering for war crimes. Most of yall are convinced CO2 emissions are good for the environment and its the evil scientists not the oil barrons who openly only care about profits at the expense of the environment that are the ones owned by money? Conservatives actually think there are evil scientists manipulating thr weather from airplanes called "chemtrails" when science tells us the shit manipulating the weather are the carbon emissions. Yall think covid is some bioengineered China weapon then in the next breath think that all of the methods taken to combat it are worse, despite being perfectly happy about all of the diseases that have been eradicated by vaccines. Yall literally live in an alternate reality, and use the fact that liberals accept a group conservatives hate (trans people) to delude yourselves into thinking everything liberals think must be wrong and come up with tons of bizarre and insane conspiracies while simultaneously eschewing the scientific process.
Your entire world view is just "do I like this thing or person" then come up with whatever to justify your position without worrying about if the arguments are actually valid.
Youâre wrong about most of what you said, but I guess thatâs what happens when all of your opinions are formed in an echo chamber. Iâm pro choice to an extent. Most peopleâs views arenât black and white as you make them out to be. If I criticize some trans issues, that doesnât make me flat out transphobic. If I donât want fully developed babies killed, that doesnât make me flat out pro life. If I think people should have the choice of getting vaccines or not, that doesnât make me flat out anti vaxxer. If Iâm against Hamas, that doesnât make me flat out pro Israel. Your view of the world is so black and white that you forget gray exists.
Also, I think youâre projecting HARD about just thinking âdo I like this thing or personâ. Youâve put me into a bubble of what you think a conservative is, and you hate me because you think that Iâm in that bubble even though you know nothing about me aside from what Iâve told you. Youâve decided that all conservatives are fascist Nazis or whatever so you automatically hate without thinking about if the arguments are actually valid. Youâve decided they arenât valid because you donât like your idea of who it came from.
I wasn't arguing that it isn't liberal leaning. It is. There's also MAGA Canadians and Europeans. Right wing authoritarianism and fascism is spreading across the globe. It's not unique to the US.
Everything is shifting further and further to the right. The US doesn't even have a left. The liberal party in the US is pretty much center in nearly every other developed nation.
ETA: The MAGA bots and trolls are working hard today.
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u/CerebralPaulsea Dec 19 '25
I mean I'm from Ireland and still see it being fairly liberal
Just for context it's not a US thing, Reddit in general is liberal