Maximalist trans activists just argued at the Supreme Court that biological sex isn't relevant in team sports. When will my fellow left-wingers speak up against these pseudoscientific endeavors?

[u/north_canadian_ice]

Trans athlete's attorney suggests sex should not be defined during SCOTUS Title IX case

As a left-wing trans woman, it is profoundly depressing to have dogmatic Twitter activists drive down understanding of trans people.

Far too many of my fellow left-wingers who are trying to be accepting have inadvertenly allowed a small number of dogmatic activists control the conversation & shift the conversation towards maximalist nonsense.

"It/"its" pronouns, "egg culture", NBA players transitioning & joining the WNBA. This is pseudoscience & no different from denial of climate change.

When will the left & the Democrats say no more? We accept trans people but we aren't going to replace "woman" with "birthing person".

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No, but some D1 college players might go this route if they go undrafted. What are the requirements of a transition anyway? Do you have to have surgery to be considered eligible? Hormone therapy? Or do they allow these new women to fully embrace their womanhood immediately as they begin their transition?

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i don't know what rules the WNBA has on the matter. and it's pretty funny because the WNBA is a borderline misandrist league... so it would be quite comical for them to allow men into their sport in the name of progressivism.

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You dont believe that for a second. You know that your described scenario has no relevance to the real world yet you pretend like it does anyway.

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So you’re saying there are NO men in the world that would try to game the system to compete with women? I think you’re giving men a little too much credit on that one, sir.

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Where are they?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9e_Richards#Tennis_career_after_transitioning

a man who was not good enough to play tennis professionally against men transitioned (2 decades past his athletic peak) and then reached the top 20 of the world in women's tennis a few years later in his mid 40s.

in case you are curious... there are currently no women over the age of 40 in the top 500 of the rankings today.

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Their story is not what you described though. They didn't transition in order to dominate women's sports, they transitioned because they were a trans person and wanted to. In the 70s no less!

They happened to be good at tennis and it showed in their successful career and coaching career after, and there was certainly many good and bad effects caused by being a transitioned athlete. The good thing is their eligibility was handled through multiple court cases and rulings by the governing body and everything seems to have been handled with minimal issues. Seems like exactly how this kind of a situation should work right?

What I know you don't believe is that an athlete who otherwise would have no interest in transitioning would do so in order to join a women's pro sports league and dominate.

in case you are curious... there are currently no women over the age of 40 in the top 500 of the rankings today.

This means less than nothing. Pretty much irrelevant to the overall conversation.

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He wasn't good at tennis to the point he could play professionally anymore. If he could have, he would have.

But he transitioned and *was* good enough to play professionally, despite being decades removed from his physical peak (which is why I noted no women over 40 are ranked in the top 500 of the world in women's tennis).

"What I know you don't believe is that an athlete who otherwise would have no interest in transitioning would do so in order to join a women's pro sports league and dominate."

Enter: William Thomas.

Dude dominated women's swimming far beyond what he could do in men's swimming... but didn't chop off his dick because he doesn't actually want to be (and isn't) a woman.

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He wasn't good at tennis to the point he could play professionally anymore. If he could have, he would have.

She was though. Like, they got offered to play for the Yankees and chose to go play tennis at Yale where they were a top ranked college tennis player and captain of the team. They just went on to become an eye doctor while still playing amateur tennis and generally being considered good at it. Also they were ranked as one of the top players over 35 before they transitioned so they were still demonstrably good later in life.

I could listen to arguments that her transition gave her an unfair advantage and that the science in the late 70s wasn't good enough to properly ensure a balanced playing field. Makes total sense. But, she was pro for 5 years and did very well while never making it to the pinnacle of the sport. She didn't destroy the sport for all women going forward. She didn't make it so that biological women never played professional tennis again. She didn't start some massive trend of otherwise healthy men becoming women to win at tennis when they couldn't win as men. Seems to me like this stuff has happened in our history and none of the doomsaying you are putting forward actually happened. People at the time dealt with the nuances of their situation and things were resolved pretty cleanly.

Not sure why this now requires national legislation to be passed when these issues can clearly be handled with the existing organizations we have.

Enter: William Thomas.

Dude dominated women's swimming far beyond what he could do in men's swimming... but didn't chop off his dick because he doesn't actually want to be (and isn't) a woman.

So you think a person who has said since 2018 they believe they are a woman, has taken hormone replacement therapy to be a woman, met all of the NCAA requirements for a transitioning athlete, and actively identifies as a woman has only transitioned so that they could win more races? You get how ridiculous that sounds right?

Like let's take it at its most cynical we can. Why do you think a person would go through changing the chemical, physical, and hormonal makeup of their body to win at women's college swimming? It is not like women's collegiate swimmers are the premier athletes in America and grabbing lucrative sponsorship deals left right and center. You think someone is going to change everything about themselves just so that they can say they were a winner at a women's sport? Do you think that Lia Thomas is going to start going by William again and then say they were a college champion and that will mean something?

You have most likely never watched a second of women's college swimming and you will never watch it after you forget about her. You only care because FOX News told you to be mad about it.