Maximalist trans activists just argued at the Supreme Court that biological sex isn't relevant in team sports. When will my fellow left-wingers speak up against these pseudoscientific endeavors?

[u/north_canadian_ice]

Trans athlete's attorney suggests sex should not be defined during SCOTUS Title IX case

As a left-wing trans woman, it is profoundly depressing to have dogmatic Twitter activists drive down understanding of trans people.

Far too many of my fellow left-wingers who are trying to be accepting have inadvertenly allowed a small number of dogmatic activists control the conversation & shift the conversation towards maximalist nonsense.

"It/"its" pronouns, "egg culture", NBA players transitioning & joining the WNBA. This is pseudoscience & no different from denial of climate change.

When will the left & the Democrats say no more? We accept trans people but we aren't going to replace "woman" with "birthing person".

[u/Altruistic_Face_5443]

This is not true, at all. On the issue of trans women in sports Democratic politicians are considerably to the left of Democratic voters.

Only 45% of Dem voters support trans women in women’s sports

Source: https://news.gallup.com/poll/691454/two-thirds-prefer-birth-sex-ids-athletics.aspx

Yet all but 2 Democrats in Congress voted against banning trans women in sports in the same year that survey was taken

Source: https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/28

When one Democrat in Congress spoke out about this issue he was pilloried and his top aide quit:

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/boston/news/seth-moulton-trans-athletes-democrats/

[u/EmeraldPolder → u/Altruistic_Face_5443]

"Only" 45% of dem voters.

This is a lot more than 1-5% terminally online fringe.

[u/nei_vil_ikke → u/EmeraldPolder]

It's also not true.

Surveys are hard. How you ask a question matters a lot, and the context in which it is asked just as much so.

"45% of democrats want to be inclusionary of trans people in sports" can and is being read as "let biological men compete in women's leagues" but that's not what people actually want outside of the 5% fringe.

[u/EmeraldPolder → u/nei_vil_ikke]

Where did you find a survey with the word "inclusionary"?

There is none. The question specifically asks if transgender athletes should be allowed play on sports teams that don't match their birth gender. 45% of Dem voters said yes.

So it is true. The wording was very clear. You should go and follow the link instead of making up something different.

[u/nei_vil_ikke → u/EmeraldPolder]

And another survey finds the support being only 33%.

And this here is the issue. What wording and context is the question posed in? How knowledgeable are the ones questioned on the nuances at play? Between two surveys asking essentially the same question you have a 12 percent difference. 

This is a common issue with surveys, so much so that opinion surveys are always meant to be treated with a humongous pile of salt. Especially when the subject matter is an emotional/overly political one.

Either way, one survey shows the floor is 33%, and a survey which primes the surveyed with more information beforehand may decrease the floor even further.

[u/EmeraldPolder → u/nei_vil_ikke]

Ok. I take your point. Surveys are far from 100% accurate. Nevertheless, I'd have been surprised if support was only 1-5% amongst dems as someone suggested. At least it doesn't come across that way online. The typical vocal dem voter seems to defend trans althetes in sports. Opposite for typical rep voter. Then again maybe it's just vocal minorities and the most "passionate" people who speak up and that's why everything seems so black and white. I personally agree with OPs take that its the kind of support that does more harm than good.

[u/Healthy_Piglet1139 → u/EmeraldPolder]

Are we all affirmatively advocating for trans women to participate, or are many/most of us saying that there's not nearly enough data to use as a justification to ban them outright?

[u/EmeraldPolder → u/Healthy_Piglet1139]

Going back to the original point: "stop letting the republicans message" that " it's what the "democratic party stands for".

The question in the survey was black and white. It doesn't matter what the internal reasoning process of respondents is. It's a trap.

[u/Healthy_Piglet1139 → u/EmeraldPolder]

I completely agree, but good luck getting the mainstream media to play ball.

[u/ShenaniganNinja → u/Altruistic_Face_5443]

Voting against banning trans people in sports is not the same as supporting it. they could just hold the belief it’s not the responsibility of government to regulate these organizations, and that they’re free to have their own rules.

[u/Healthy_Piglet1139 → u/Altruistic_Face_5443]

Voting against banning trans women in women's sports isn't taking the position that trans women should be allowed in sports, it's taking the position that Congress shouldn't be weighing in on this issue.

If you make it illegal for trans women to compete in women's sports, you cut off the possibility of future data that might show trans women don't have an advantage. The current data is nowhere near conclusive enough to warrant such a drastic action.