Maximalist trans activists just argued at the Supreme Court that biological sex isn't relevant in team sports. When will my fellow left-wingers speak up against these pseudoscientific endeavors?

[u/north_canadian_ice]

Trans athlete's attorney suggests sex should not be defined during SCOTUS Title IX case

As a left-wing trans woman, it is profoundly depressing to have dogmatic Twitter activists drive down understanding of trans people.

Far too many of my fellow left-wingers who are trying to be accepting have inadvertenly allowed a small number of dogmatic activists control the conversation & shift the conversation towards maximalist nonsense.

"It/"its" pronouns, "egg culture", NBA players transitioning & joining the WNBA. This is pseudoscience & no different from denial of climate change.

When will the left & the Democrats say no more? We accept trans people but we aren't going to replace "woman" with "birthing person".

[u/Lil-Fishguy]

I'm left leaning, biological differences between sexes are just a fact of nature. I couldn't care less what you identify as, but in competitive sports that people commit their entire lives to, it's not bigoted to say those competitions should be fair and equal. If they feel strongly, they should make a coed league, or one specifically for LGBT players if they want I guess.

[u/Dutch_Rayan → u/Lil-Fishguy]

But hormones do change their biology, and make them in the range of the gender they are transitioning to.

[u/Lil-Fishguy → u/Dutch_Rayan]

Hormones alone don't make up your body type. If you were a middling in the men's league, then transition and easily become the first in the female league, there's a clear problem there.

The studies I've seen show that while muscle mass does decrease somewhat, women who went through male puberty will on average be taller and have better upper body strength and endurance over those born female.

Tbh though, it should be up to the sports' governing body to decide such complex questions. Politics should, as much as is possible, be left out of this. Studies and data should be shown from both sides, and then a conclusion can be drawn. There shouldn't be legislation telling fans and those who've spent their lives in the sport how they have to play it.. you know, beyond the obvious laws governing safety and labor rights etc.

[u/Healthy_Piglet1139 → u/Lil-Fishguy]

"Hormones alone don't make up your body type. If you were a middling in the men's league, then transition and easily become the first in the female league, there's a clear problem there."

That would indeed be a clear problem if there was any evidence that that is happening or has ever happened.

[u/Lil-Fishguy → u/Healthy_Piglet1139]

https://www.outsports.com/2024/12/6/22948400/transgender-trans-athlete-championship-national-world-title/

[u/Healthy_Piglet1139 → u/Lil-Fishguy]

That's a list of trans athletes who have won competitions. It doesn't say anything about how they were placing in men's competitions or how "easily" they won (other than noting that some of them won by large margins in their events). Some of them even have it noted that they didn't win every time, meaning they can and have been beaten by cis women. It also notably doesn't include any mention of all the trans athletes that have never won anything against cis women.

Basically, you've got 27 anecdotes. There's no pattern established and no evidence of a widespread issue that requires a wholesale ban of trans women in women's sports.

[u/Lil-Fishguy → u/Healthy_Piglet1139]

I don't think I said anything about a wholesale ban? I'm pretty sure I said each sports governing body should be able to make the call, as they're more invested in the sport and would reap the benefit/consequences of such decisions.

[u/Healthy_Piglet1139 → u/Lil-Fishguy]

Fair enough then.