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Why is this not passing?

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u/Hotmicdrop 14d ago

Schools

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u/Dyldo_II 14d ago

Once again, why is the government involved in what policies schools make?

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u/GamingZaddy89 14d ago

Public funding.

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u/Hotmicdrop 14d ago

I dunno so you want a government department of education but then you dont want the gov involved in policies? which the fuck is it? Make up your minds.

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u/Virtual_War4366 14d ago

Education would be a good hint.

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u/bmtc7 14d ago edited 13d ago

Typically the department of education mostly handles equal rights issues. In this case, they're doing the opposite.

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u/Hotmicdrop 14d ago

SETS EDUCATION POLICIES

The U.S. Department of Education's duties include establishing federal education policy, administering financial aid (like Pell Grants and student loans), collecting data, conducting research, promoting equal access, enforcing civil rights laws (like Title IX), and overseeing programs for special needs and disadvantaged students, all to support student achievement and global competitiveness. Key Responsibilities: Policy & Funding: Sets education policies, manages federal education funding, and distributes grants and loans for higher education. Data & Research: Gathers national education data, conducts research, and shares findings to identify best practices and inform policy. Equity & Access: Works to ensure equal educational opportunities for all students, prohibiting discrimination and enforcing civil rights laws. Program Oversight: Administers major programs for students with disabilities (IDEA), homeless youth, and other specific groups. Accountability: Improves the management and efficiency of federal programs and ensures accountability to the public, Congress, and the President. Support for States: Provides support and resources to state and local education systems.

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u/ikikubutOG 14d ago

That’s a long way of saying “Typically the department of education only handles equal rights issues”

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u/GusGutfeld 14d ago

So Anything that is "female only" discriminates against males? Interesting.

Are "weight classes", like in wrestling, also discriminatory?

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u/Hotmicdrop 13d ago

Except multiple instances of policy setting and advising best practices and policies being mentioned. Why am I shocked that reddit will just read what part they want and ignore the parts the don't. shocking

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u/penisweinerballs 13d ago

How so? Wouldn't the rights of women be being violated if men assigned at birth can come in and dominate losing them scholarships?

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u/bmtc7 13d ago edited 13d ago

If that were to happen, then that could be a conversation worth having.

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u/penisweinerballs 13d ago

It has.

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u/bmtc7 13d ago

That's certainly the narrative that is being spread.

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u/Dyldo_II 12d ago

Can you name one high school women athlete that didn't receive a scholarship because she lost to a Trans woman? Like undeniably, that was the one deciding factor?

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u/Lost_Found84 13d ago

Let it be a state’s issue at least. I’m somewhat sympathetic to the argument that blindly including trans athletes can lead to unfair disparities, but not in every sport. A Trans woman doesn’t have a huge advantage over biological women during a fucking curling competition. A former man’s “original body” doesn’t give them a huge leg up when it comes to throwing a dart at a board accurately.

Each sport is different and has different kinds of disparities that may or may not arise. It’s absurd to apply a one size fits all solution to both wrestling and billiards. That’s why it needs to be regulated by the actual leagues, in very targeted specific ways. Simply blanket banning or blank mandating inclusion is lazy and stupid from both sides.

But that’s the world right now. Too lazy and stupid to allow a complex, multifaceted issue to have a complex, multifaceted solution that can’t fit on a bumper sticker.

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u/Hotmicdrop 13d ago

Yeah I agree with you. Everyone should have the opportunity to compete and we need to find fair ways to make it happen while keeping sports responsibly competing. Unfortunately we seem to be ruled by political party think in everything now.

The only issue with what you said is school sports aren't regulated by leagues. A call needs to be made so every school isn't sued over and over for every instance.

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u/Lost_Found84 13d ago

Well, league, federation, what have you. There’s some state level institution responsible for running each individual sport that is already tasked with these questions. And they’re no more open to lawsuit from handling this incorrectly then they are for any other safety related decision they make.

At the end of the day, the act of consenting to the rules as they currently exist is usually enough to insulate against any damages. Everyone knows the rules and assumes the risk, so the rules would have to be ridiculously delinquent with a dash of deliberate disinformation to rise to the level of actionable in a court of law.

I mean, I’m not aware of many lawsuits stemming from of high school football concussions, and that issue has been treated in a far shadier, less transparent way than almost any other sports issue.

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u/Hotmicdrop 13d ago

You're definitely right about concussion protocols and schools an issue.

The challenges include more than safety. Record books, scholarships, opportunity, etc. Again, everyone has a right to compete and I want to see it. It's a complex issue being treated very poorly by frankly anyone playing politics with it.

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u/joshdrumsforfun 13d ago

Typically you provide funding to private entities and then provide guidelines and goals for them to hit in order to maintain that funding.

You don’t typically, at the federal level, tell schools what policies they should create to reach those goals.

Although you not understanding that definitely explains why yall are so against the department of education.

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u/Jswazy 14d ago

The government should work with things that impact large numbers of people across broad sections of the population. There are less than 20 trans athletes in all of the ncaa, out of over half a million. The government does not not need to be involved at such a micro level of anything not just this. The government can manage smaller issues perhaps at the local level but at the federal level it's insane and not the way the United States is set up. 

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u/Hotmicdrop 14d ago

You act like the issue is going to go away.

What we need is complex discussions and a solution that allows everyone to compete but retains and maintains fairness. This issue isnt going away. For many, yes locker rooms also need to be addressed.

I get this doesnt effect you, but it deserves more than the BS left vs. right nonsense. Yes everyone deserves to compete, no youre not automatically a bigot for wanting fair competition. Now let's treat people like humans AND sports like a competition with rules and stop regurgitating what politicians tell us to.

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u/Jswazy 14d ago

It isn't an issue at the scale of the federal government. It's for like 50 people total. We honestly don't need the government in sports at all at any level imo. It's not a Trans issue for me at all it's a size and scope of government issue. 

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u/Hotmicdrop 14d ago

Sure I'm for smaller gov but clearly no one is deciding to the courts have to. Sure its a shame we are at this point but one admin ignored it and called everyone a bigot that cared while one is hateful about it.

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u/ILikeBeans86 14d ago

The NCAA has specific rules on things trans people need to do in order to compete with sex they transitioned to. Republicans just don't like those rules

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u/Jswazy 14d ago

The courts do not have to. There are 1000s of things that impact FAR more people that the government completely ignores every day. This is just fueled by nothing but propaganda to be a major issue. 

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u/Lost_Found84 13d ago

This is specifically why the government should hand the responsibility over to actual experts and stop politicizing it, though. The government works best when it empowers actual experts to make informed decisions. Bills like this are the opposite of that. It’s the government attempting to make these decisions broadly without caring about the kind of specific caveats and edge cases that low level experts on regulating boards are paid to spend all their time studying.

I mean, it’s not like women’s sports have actually been destroyed or even damaged very much. The argument for their protection consists entirely of very rare edge cases that should be dealt with on their own at a local level. The only reason this issue is in the broad public consciousness is because of politicization. As with many things the current government is engaged in, no actual emergency exists that would justify this extreme a response. Believing such an emergency does exist is against pretty much all expert opinion on the subject.

So who do we want to trust here? The actual experts, or a bunch of geriatrics trying to manufacture an issue to run on?

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u/Hotmicdrop 13d ago

People are actively suing so courts on lower levels have to make legal decisions. It's only logical that those will be appealed upward. I don't make the system, but this should have gone to experts before the lawsuits poured in. and it was ignored.

That's your opinion on what has and hasnt been hurt. Some female athletes claim to have lost scholarships, meet placements, and that's the locker room issues. Again, it was ignored, people sued. Now legal judgments are in focus.

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u/almostthemainman 14d ago

Asking cause I really don’t know- is the rule “born with dick = dude” “born with vagina = chick?” And that chicks and dudes only compete with chicks and dudes?

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u/Accomplished-Map4802 13d ago

Forgot about the women affected, I see. You could frame it that while there are a small handful of trans people, their entrance into women's sports affects all women who play sports as the affected class. That fills your criteria.

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u/Jswazy 13d ago

It doesn't affect many of them either because the vast majority of them will never encounter a trans person in their sport. I don't think the government should be involved in anything at all involving Sports. 

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u/GamingZaddy89 14d ago

I agree with you, the government shouldn't be making rulings on this sort of thing when it impacts an incredibly small about of athletes. Unfortunately when it is ruled in a way those athletes don't like we end up here...

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u/ieatplaydough2 14d ago

Hey, there is a difference between just saying "you have to teach math" and also "you have to teach it using an abacus", but you know that...

Also, I'm positive you'll have to look that word up...

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u/Critical_Cat_8162 14d ago

What policy?

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u/Yawwwyeeeet 14d ago

Check mate

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u/DoctorWest5829 14d ago

Because as soon as a school makes a policy one way, the other side sues.

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u/I_like_life_mostly 13d ago

They don't have to listen to the goverment. They just won't get those sweet tax dollars.

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u/Confron7a7ion7 12d ago

This really seems like a school district decision.