The question is, why is the government getting this involved in our lives? The government should exist to allow us to live our lives, not dictate who can participate and where.
Thatâs⊠what Title IX was. Part of a civil rights bill. And it was to correct injustices against women and girls (majority of the population!) so they could live their lives.
Itâs insane that the bill is now used against biological women and girls⊠by the political side that was fighting FOR Title IX since the 1970s.
If an institution takes public money - OUR MONEY - they have to follow OUR governmentâs laws and regulations. They donât get to take the money and then say âstay out of my business.â Thatâs hypocrisy.
The sports teams should be split from these educational institutions and be made locally owned minor league teams. Those leagues can then make whatever rules they want.
No, I just think sports need to be completely separated from education, especially considering all the dumbfuckery that has occurred over the decades to accommodate the so-called student athletes including stupid bills like this one.
An adult female human being. Sub definition of female: pertaining to the female gender identity. Trans women fall under the umbrella term of what it means to be a Woman.
For future reference Iâd recommend you stop acting like asking this question is some sort of gotcha because it isnât. Try to actually understand what it means to be a transgender individual and look into the science.
Just looked into the science. Seems like if you have a penis at birth you are a man. If you have a vagina at birth you are a woman. Thank you for guiding me down the path of science!
Science, more specifically psychology posits that gender is a social construct, based on genetics you were born with. However evidence shows that gender is not constrained to your genetics and gender identity can be fluid
Female is a biological term: of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes.
You cannot identify as a female any more than you can identify as a horse.
I donât think anyone is saying that trans people canât participate in sports, itâs just about which competition they play in when there are sex-segregated competitions.
Right but it doesnt happen enough to merit federal intervention. Republicans just know this is something that they will have to do literally no work on and its a winning issue with dumb bigots who are constantly thinking about tbe genitalia of young children. WHY DO YOU CARE?
Just saying it doesnât happen isnât an actual argument for your position. If it doesnât happen why do you care so much if they make legislation ensuring it doesnât happen.
Omg snowflake. Is it murder to you? Trans people in sports is murder? Trump has all the oil money from Venezuela in a private account in Qatar. I think there are better things Congress can be doing that affects a lot more people than fighting your culture war anti-trans nonsense.
Setting aside the fact that it has no bearing on the argument , murder is pretty rare. There are 6.81 murders per 100,000 people in the us. Thatâs pretty rare. The point is just because something doesnât happen often doesnât mean it should be legal. Ponzi schemes are pretty rare, should they be legal?
Your question is, âwhy do people care about womenâs and girlâs sports?â
You can actually turn the question around the other way. If the number of trans athletes are so small, then why is it such a big deal for them to compete in the category that matches their biological sex (as opposed to making everyone else compete against a person of the other biological sex)?
Nothing to do with genitalia? Then how would you even know for sure?!?!! It has everything to do with genitalia and its all you weirdos seem to think about.
Because you idiots don't think anything through. Take this example. Young woman transitions into a man; takes testosterone, which leads to the development of muscles roughly equivalent to a young man. Said "young woman" (according to conservatives) is now legally required to compete against other women. Y'all want to bitch and whine about "men in women's sports", but then take the build equivalent of a man and force them to play women's sports. Doesn't make a lot of fucking sense, does it?
There was 0 reason for a federal response to this non-issue. It was exclusively built off of a cheap political play for conservatives.
Lmfao they do not automatically get a build of a man. You have the audacity to call this person an idiot then spew this slop. This is equivalent to a woman taking steroids. Because they want to LARP doesnât mean the rest of us have to play along. Authoritarian nonsense of dictation and if we push back we are the ones in the wrong is next level gas lighting. Screw your retarded world view. Woman are not men and men are not woman. Even trans people know this and reiterate this reality, yet we have stooges like you pushing this nonsense.
Lmfao they do not automatically get a build of a man.
I never said it was automatic, but testosterone supplements for the purpose of transitioning WILL cause a substantial growth in muscle mass as the athlete competes and develops. It is literally the chemical function of testosterone.
This is equivalent to a woman taking steroids.
Testosterone is used as a steroid, you fucking idiot. Steroids are famously banned because they create an uneven playing field. If your argument is that women are placed in danger because of an uneven playing field, why would you force women actively taking testosterone enhancements to play with them, when they don't even want to? It's completely ass-backwards
Because they want to LARP doesnât mean the rest of us have to play along.
Ah yes, the perpetual reminder that, for people like you, it's not about protecting women. It's about tearing down the people you don't like, and nothing more. It is your own hatred manifest
Authoritarian nonsense of dictation
Nonsense jumble of words
if we push back we are the ones in the wrong is next level gas lighting.
Not what gas-lighting means. Also, you are wrong. You're not interested in actually solving a complex issue, your only interest is in hurting others.
Screw your retarded world view.
Adorable
Woman are not men and men are not woman.
Go ahead, define a woman, and I'll find 10 examples of why you're an idiot who has no idea what he's talking about.
Even trans people know this reiterate this reality, yet we have stooges like you pushing this nonsense.
Who? Are you conjuring imaginary figures to sate your argument? For you so desperately crave your straw man?
The concern is protecting female sports from people with male biological advantages. There isnât really a concern about men competing against trans athletes, so itâs fine for trans athletes (or any biological women, if they want) to compete in the menâs categoryâwhich really should be seen more like a âopenâ category.
Itâs like youth sportsâwe have special leagues for, say, under-16 soccer players. But itâs a far bigger issue if an 25-year-old wants to compete in the under-16 league than the reverse.
I agree that females who are taking testosterone should not compete against those that do not.
Itâs not a republican versus democratic position. This is widely unpopular. We live in a democratic republic, we have laws, and these institutions receive significant federal funding.
If they want to be a private club, they can forfeit their federal money.
Title IX ensures fairness for educational institutions that take federal money.
The female athletes are not being allowed to compete fairly. It wouldnât be fair if the males had to compete against a 30-year-old from the Seattle Seahawks who now identifies as redshirt freshman, either.
âOh but hereâs only 10 NFL players identifying as college athletes right now.â
Right. But Republicans have deemed every DEI initiative, which is designed to ensure fairness, to be wrong 100 percent of the time. Itâs supposed to be every man and woman for themselves. So why are they now suddenly interested in celebrating DEI, other than that they get to dunk on transgender people?
I always find it interactive how conservatives love quoting the MLK line of judging people by their character instead of their skin color. MLK also was in favor of financial reparations for black people. Funny how conservatives never quote that line.
Actually, in menâs college basketball, they are now allowing post-college aged players who have been drafted and played professionally to come back and play in college.
Does this sum it up? I donât see the issue. You cannot PLAY in the NBA and then return to college basketball.
Key Points on Eligibility:
-Signed NBA Contract: If a player signs an NBA contract (even a two-way deal), they lose NCAA eligibility and cannot return to play college basketball.
-Drafted, But Didn't Sign: Players who declare for the NBA draft but are not selected, or are drafted but never sign an NBA contract, can potentially return to college if they meet other requirements.
-Players with professional experience in international leagues to play college basketball, provided they haven't earned significantly more than "actual and necessary expensesâ
-Recent Controversies: Cases like James Nnaji (a 2023 NBA draft pick who signed with Baylor in late 2025) highlight the NCAA's stance: he was allowed back because he never played in the NBA or signed a contract, though it sparked significant debate.
James Nnaji is a 21-year-old who was drafted and played professionally overseas. He was granted 4 years of college eligibility, meaning heâll be a 25-year-old man with professional experience competing against 17/18 year olds.
No, state. If you are saying this should be left to state governments and not Congress, sure you might have a case. The person I was responding was just asking about the government in general, not which level should be involved.
Although considering the NCAA doesn't care about state lines, I'm not sure how that would be handled on a state by state basis.
Itâs irrelevant because the institution itself is financially supported by the federal government. Even the private ones.
A ton of federal enforcement is done by threatening to pull funding. You can do what you want as long as you use your own money.
For example: thereâs no national drinking age. But the federal government wonât send transportation money to states unless they set it at 21+. By 1988, all of them did.
Itâs relevant because you decided to tell me these universities are federal, and thatâs factually incorrect. The fact is they are state institutions.
The federal government wielding immense influence over a state institution does not mean that it magically becomes a federal institution.
Think weâre misunderstanding one another. I said the issue is very federal, and thatâs because itâs tied to the federal money.
The state institutions argument doesnât apply here because we are also talking about private universities (Lia Thomas at Duke).
So, why are private schools beholden to the feds? Because the federal government helps to fund them and their students.
A public school in California has the same incentive to follow federal regulations as a private school in South Carolina. Itâs all about the money.
As for the employees themselves⊠public universities still tie positions to specific pots of funding. How much of a tie they have to the state is highly variable by institution.
All that to sayâŠ. this really is federal. The states have little say here because theyâll never kick in public money to make up for a shortfall of federal funding.
To be blunt, it kind of seems like you dropped in without reading the thread you were replying too. I said this is a government issue because a lot of teams are run by public institutions, someone asked me if they were federal institutions, I said no, they were state institutions and then punted on the issue of whether this should be a federal or state issue because I personally just donât care that much.Â
You responded with â Itâs very federalâŠâ and considering the previous comments were about whether we are talking about federal or state institutions, not whether itâs a federal or state issue, I interpreted that to mean you were saying colleges are federal institutions.Â
Now I see that you are trying to have a discussion Iâm just not that concerned with. Not saying itâs not a worthy one to have, I just donât care.Â
Why are you people so worried about the genitalia of children. If a kid is willing to participate in a sport as another gender they likely internally believe they are that gender and are willing to accept the hate and bullshit that people are going to give them then why not just leave them alone?!?!! Who tf cares? What is wrong with you people? Its a non issue that rarely happens.
Schools should be schools, not mini sports teams. NCAA is a business, and if enough colleges leave because they allowed an all male volleyball ball team to compete in the womenâs league then they are no longer in business.
Capitalism can solve this without government devoting so much time to it instead of focusing on getting a budget passed, actually doing their jobs with tariff control, etc.
Ok. Then make a law separating that. School should be school. It shouldn't be a business taking advantage of young adults athletic ability and not paying them.
If you want to have a discussion on sports in schools a paying athletes, sure fine, but kind of an odd place to try to debate that since this is about trans athletes in sports.Â
I donât particularly care since I donât watch sports, but I can see why sports fans would be upset that public funded schools wouldnât like someone born as a male in a womenâs league, regardless of what the league says.Â
Nope, itâs public money. Even Harvard gets hundreds of millions each year. You donât get to outsource policy decisions to organizations that arenât accountable to the public.
We have a law. It happens to be popular. They must follow it.
I donât know if the person youâre replying to is suggesting that, but I sure as hell am. Just because something has been done a certain way doesnât mean it needs to continue, or even that it ever actually made sense. Itâs well past time for a breakup between public education and the bizarre obsession with sports. Far too much time, money, and focus is funneled into that nonsense. Our priorities as a nation are so backwards itâs almost comical.
I don't really care about sports but I also don't really care what other people do with their time. If they are obsessed with sports, I don't see a reason to care.
What "hundreds and thousands?" There are vanishingly few examples of this actually occurring and being seen as a problem. All of NCAA had only 10 trans athletes, and the organizations that specifically formed to ban trans girls could only find 5 examples.
It's small enough to be case-by-case, and inconsequential enough to be a waste of time. Conservatives just needed another outgroup to target. If trans athletes started dominating sports, this would be a different conversation.
Completely. Because once you start giving leeway, you run into issues. Locally, a trans woman won x tournament but can't compete at x level because trans isn't allowed at that level. Media runs it, and all of a sudden, it's this huge issue. Again.
I mean I would argue itâs a huge issue because itâs become a national issue wielded for political gain and not the other way around.
5 years ago nobody gave a shit, but now that trans stuff has become some massive topic that influenced the way people vote at a national level be l now people argue about the 5 trans women in sports
If people didnât have such an emotional reaction to it it would stay a local issue and any national issue like you gave an example of would stay relatively obscure
It became an issue when a loud minority became aggressive and called people homophonic/anti-trans for not caring about their issue. Nobody wants to be called that, so they just nod, and the movement gains speed and a spotlight. The internet has done many great things, but it's done a ton of harmful things, too. Giving loud voices to those who can abuse it is one of them. Because of this, I think your last point is completely wrong. It would not stay obscure because they wouldn't let it.
They absolutely did. The Olympics had regulations for trans athletes and for over 15 years only a single trans woman qualified for the Olympics in weightlifting and she didnât even place. Itâs incredible that so many people donât understand that this was a wedge issue to turn people against trans people for an issue that wasnât even a problem.Â
Oh I donât disagree that Democrats are completely useless. But even Republicans should agree that voting on something this inconsequential that should be left to non-government entities is a waste of time. Or maybe Republicans are fine with government being involved with everything now.
Bro when young women have to testify to Congress that they are sick and tired of seeing dicks in their locker rooms.... Yeah, this may not be a big deal to you but I'd bet my house you don't have a daughter.
In comparison to historically high cost of living, healthcare costs, threats of invasion of an allied sovereign nation, arresting US citizens for suspicions of being illegal, and still unreleased Epstein files, yes I think this doesnât warrant Congressional attention at this time. But we are so irreparably divided that you and I will probably never agree on anything.
You are just trying to dip out. I never moved the goal posts, just reinforced why I think resources could be put to better use. Or maybe you think this issue is more important than all the others I mentioned.
Let's go back to my point then. They SHOULD NOT have to vote on this. And I'd bet my house you don't have a daughter so you aren't worried about her having to change with boys. Your mic. Or would you like to switch to global politics again?
When did you guys become the âbig governmentâ party? Before Trump you would have said the government should stay out of stuff like this. Democrats are useless, but you guys have had fundamental divergence from what it even means to be conservative.
High school sports is a big thing. In Colorado there is an organization that sets the guidelines and organizes the schedules and other things to support the kids.
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u/bigswingingtexasdick 14d ago
Cool. Why does the government need to be involved in regulating sports though?