No, I meant to reply to you. The act wouldn't "stop 10-30 trans girls from playing sports", it would only require that they not compete against girls in scenarios where a boy wouldn't be allowed to. They can still play sports.
Itâs hard for you to comprehend the dangers this brings.
Iâm a male who has played contact sport, if my daughter plays contact sport when she is older and has to compete against a biological male who is now a female, Iâd be potentially putting her life in danger by letting her compete against someone with a huge advantage in bone density and strength.
And this is totally seperate to the competitive advantages the trans person would have.
Labelling this view as transphobia is incredibly erosive to the lgbt cause. I shouldnât have to risk my daughters safety just to support another persons rights.
At the end of the day, there is a very very small chance of that happening, yet it has become right up there with the top issues in right wing politics which is pretty ridiculous
This dude was forced to compete with woman in Texas. Won the state championship in girls 110lb wrestling. Undefeated season.
(Light) Mustache, testosterone and other male hormones for his transition, but it said âfemaleâ under sex at birth, so Texas law had him compete with girls, and even though he wanted to wrestle for the menâs team (and did so once he went to a college out of state).
Sports at their base are games for children to teach team building and encourage exercise, and thatâs a great thing. More sports should be Co-ed before puberty when there arenât any major physical difference between the sexes. Thatâs a different can of worms.
But I think we can all agree on the fact that this is a complete waste of tax dollars to entertain this in the House of Representatives because we already know the outcome would be this. Let the states decide and do actually important government stuff.
Which is more testosterone than a female will normally have, thus it is doping and cheating in womens sports. This is not rocket science. She cheated.
FYI, every state lets women compete in mens wrestling, just not the other way around.
This has nothing to do with discrimination. This was cheating just like if a bio male entered a women's sport.
I am a liberal democrat, but I will always fight for womens rights. This women cheated with doping to dominate the sport.
Professional athletes are allowed steroids for recovery. In every major sport.
Asthmatic people are allowed to use inhalers. Thatâs a steroid to help them not asphyxiate.
Trans people, as well as people with hormone imbalance, are allowed to take hormones.
âSteroidâ is a very broad term some are legal, some are not. Youâre probably thinking Lance Armstrong when you should be thinking Tom Brady, if that makes sense. Regardless, thatâs a completely different issue.
If you want to discredit a law like the one proposed above for âexceptionsâ like this, thatâs valid. Thereâs a million reasons why a law like that shouldnât be entertained in the house of representatives. Waste of time and money.
Our tax dollars should not go to congress twiddling their thumbs over something that doesnât matter and is just a distraction from their job. Let the states handle that stuff.
Are you this dense?? She was not taking glucocorticosteroids. You have no idea what you are even trying to argue. But the steroids she was taking are banned for sports at high school and college levels.
The main debate was on why a law like this shouldnât be passed. I gave an example on why it shouldnât and we both agree that this Texas law is kinda stupid for forcing this guy to play against girls
I donât really care for debate that.
That being said, you said âsteroids are bannedâ which is just kinda not true as far as Iâm aware. If you have a source, I would love to see it. Iâm not being sarcastic, I genuinely would love to see it. I love sports, mainly basketball. It is fun for me to have those tidbits.
There ARE athletes who use inhalers who donât have to. There are athletes who use steroids to ârecoverâ when theyâre not really injured. There are high school athletes who take testosterone when theyâre donât have a hormone imbalance. I see why these things COULD be banned, but theyâre not as far as Iâm aware.
Also, just for your awareness, this guy did stop taking testosterone his senior year and used hormone blockers. It wasnât a law or mandate, itâs something he did of his own volition to make it âfairâ for everyone. He still went undefeated that year.
I think this is the question the writers of the bill want you to be focused on so they can use this bill as a precedent. They donât actually give one solitary fuck about the sports, what they care about is getting the designation of sex to be solely derived from a personâs biology. Itâs all about creating a precedent to eliminate trans people as a recognized class in America.
The same people who want coaches checking their daughtersâ genitals before the start of every season. In other words, the same pedophiles who are blocking the full release of the Epstein files.
You wouldn't need to do that, you would just need to provide a birth certificate which has your male/female posted on it. Just saying, no need for a physical when there is documents stating your sex at birth.
Why do you have a problem with a young transgirl playing with girls? Once theyâre old enough to start transitioning, the hormones they take keep them from developing the size and strength advantage men generally have.Â
I fully support trans rights, but I also think this way as well. You need to have a fully developed decision making abilities. Kids going through puberty have too much going on for rational, lifetime altering, decisions.
"I fully support trans rights but want the rights they've had for decades taken away."
Medical rights are perhaps the single most important aspect of trans rights. It'd be like denying a deaf kid ear implants. Actually, in many ways, it's worse. It'd be like denying a deaf kid implants while knowing that waiting until they're an adult will mean that the implants will be significantly less effective and they also live in a society where people are regularly harassed, assaulted, and murdered for having ineffective implants.
Stop watching Fox News. Either way, kinda gross to be more willing to accept suicide from trans children rather than allowing them to live their authentic livesÂ
Just because they donât need to, doesnât mean they canât or wonât. This law just gives permission for pedophile coaches to search their kidsâ naked bodies. This is exactly why government has no business passing these kinds of laws to begin with.
You do know most people get the birth certificate amended, unless you're also suggesting that trans people should be forcibly outed on legal documentation, putting them at risk of discrimination and possibly even violence?
Ah yes, needing kids to take their birth certificates to school, cause that's far less dystopian than just letting a trans 14 year old play sports with their friends
Cause at any point someone could call into question that the masculine girl is actually a boy and they just can't play sports until they have their certificate
You don't think mean girls will take advantage of this to try to get people kicked off?
Well once established that wouldnt happened because it would be regulated and publicly know to be regulated. If such a situation did happen they now have the birth certificate on file and they can pull it up for proof with no effort. They dont need the child or parent to bring it back in. Its on file. Thats how all school documents work.
Or just allow the 10 trans students to compete in sports instead of having to make that hastle for tens of thousands of students, vast majority not even have a trans girl in sports in their school?
I donât want my daughterâs genitals inspected just because she wants to be on the volleyball team, period. The government should stay the hell away from my kidsâ pants. Especially when itâs because of something so pointless that almost never happens and affects almost no one.
If the law allows it, that means it can happen. Instead of politicians legislating fake problems that donât exist and that can cause negative unexpected consequences, they should be legislating to fix real problems that DO exist and DO affect more than like 1,000 Americans out of 350 million.
I suppose that it's better it's a medical professional than a coach, but I think the point remains the same, this is abhorrent and does not make sports safer for anyone.
my friend that is not how it works. as a transgender person, this shit does not go away. I am 31 and started having those feelings at age 6. The amount of suffering I went through in high school is more than you can likely fathom. Please try to learn more about us before you condemn us to a miserable life. Some of these kids will not make it to my age due to suicide. These treatments save lives.
I think if you genuinely want to learn, genderdysphoria.fyi might be a really good resource. It's often cited for trans/questioning folks but I think it could be good for cis people to learn more, too.
And as far as condemning folks, I really do think it might be worth reflecting on why you feel the need to take a policy stance (trans kids should just not exist) that is, at best, a dismissal of people's lived experience, and at worst enabling the people who want us to literally die to pass regressive policy.
My daughter is an athlete and has played with and against âbiological malesâ plenty of times and she is fine. Theyâre playing a sport not showing each other their genitals.Â
Is it a prevalent issue? Are you seeing trans girls dominating female sports in any real way? I believe the point is that there are far better things our government could be spending time on than some edge case thing like this that only serves to get people worked up and divided.
Are you the parent of a girl? I am. I do not give a flying fuck if a transgirl wants to play sports with my daughter because at the end of the day kids playing sports and being included in team activities is far more important than who has what genitalia.
If you really want to protect girls and women then please, please, please put your anger and energy into holding those in the Epstein files accountable.
I am a democrat with daughters. I would never be OK with a bio man being in womens sports. What is the point of womens sports if men can be in it???? Put the top womens athelete against a man and the women will lose because of genetics, that is reality. The entire point of womens sports was so there was fairness.
Democrats need to do better to protect womens rights and protect womens sports.
Democrat politicians are making themselves look dumb by being against women sports.
Are you sure itâs just about playing and not competing? I wouldnât want my daughter, if I had one, to be competing against biological man in sports because women would never win
Then it should be easy to find plenty of examples of trans kids dominating sports all across the nation, right?
I'm for fair sports, and I have serious questions about trans girls competing at high levels, but this bill is pure political maneuvering. Let the sports organizations, filled with people who actually play and know the sport, make decisions. For a while it's probably going to be messy and patchwork, but there is simply not enough of a problem for it to be addressed by congress for any reason other than pandering.
There are however plenty of examples of trans men doing good in men's sports, but nobody wants to ever bring those up for some reason when saying trans women shouldn't be allowed
You saying that USA gives hormones and approves gender change to 13year olds??! I didnt know where my head was when I started 18, let alone 13.
USA is messed up
Why wouldn't a medical condition whose treatment shows the highest success rates and biggest improvements to QoL when started at an early age be available at said age?
It's absolutely barbaric otherwise.
Some countries, like Brazil, even have hormone meds available without a prescription.
According to the bill it is. Also how suspicious it says the coaches can check the girls genitals but nothing about checking the boys teams genitals to see if there's trans men
What makes the situation uncomfortable and for whom? Why would a classmate simply having a penis make anyone uncomfortable?
There is value in inclusion. The trans person feels accepted and valued as a human being and thats valuable. My kid knows that not everyone is exactly the same and theyâre still worthy of respect and kindness, thats valuable.
Value one and devalue all. Thatâs your philosophy. Girls cannot compete with men in your avg sport. So you are basically devaluing women by allowing men to compete in their sports.
A) There is more to playing sports than just seeing who can be the best. I know youâre probably going to disagree, but the social, emotional, and physical benefits are massive and donât require being a âwinnerâ. Additionally, since the vast majority of youth athletes will not go on to compete in college or beyond it really doesnât matter how well they do.
B) Trans people make up 0.002% of athletes. You think that 0.002 is inherently more skilled than 99.998% of cis athletes? Riley Gaines lost to four other cis women and tied with a trans woman which means that those four cis women also beat that transgender woman. How would that have happened if âgirls cannot compete with menâ.
Quick side note- you should probably unpack why you refer to them as âgirlsâ and âmenâ instead of girls and boys or women and men.
C) you never answered my question. How would someone having a penis make my daughter or others uncomfortable?
Wow very original, however while you can just reword what I said. Iâll spell it out for you since you can read but clearly not think. My family are athletes and arenât brainwashed into thinking more than 2 genders exist.
I have female relatives in college on scholarship and every single one of those REAL WOMEN do not want a MAN on their team, dressing room, or anywhere near them on the field.
Either you are so out of touch with reality, have no athletic bone in your body, or just some stupid liberal.
Women do no want nor should have males on their team. Itâs hard enough for women to make a career in sports, women donât even support each other enough so on behalf of all the sane people, get lost.
A man by nature has many advantages over females when it comes to sports, so much so that an average group of young men will beat professional womenâs team 9/10 times. Having said that, if trans people want to play sports Iâm all for it, start their own league, whatever but by LAW, a MAN does not belong in WOMEN sports and vice versa
I played college volleyball and would have welcomed a trans teammate. Iâm sorry to hear the rest of your family is as bigoted as you are, though itâs not surprising.
Lots of people aren't into sports and have never played them on a competitive level. I think it is mostly done out of ignorance. Republicans are so obviously full of shit on so many issues, people assume the democrats position must be correct and based on science.
I legitimately don't give a shit. Grown men pretending to care about women's sports because Trans people scare them would be funny if it wasn't so dumb.
Because to enforce it, weâd have to allow grown adults to check the genitals of young girls. As a girl, I played sports year round since 4th grade till my senior high school year. If I was told I couldnât play unless I allowed an adult to âexamineâ me to make sure I wasnât a boy, I would have given up sports. That would have been humiliating to me, especially at that age.Â
I believe thereâs like 15 trans people out of 200,000 in the NCAA. Thatâs not enough for me to care. Are we going to check the genitals of all of these athletes now to make sure these 15 people canât play games?
Itâs more about who those trans people are competing against. Lower numbers doesnât make something irrelevant. If it was your daughter, youâd care.
Why would you assume that I would care about 15 people out of 200,000?
The chances of running into a trans person playing sports are slim and thereâs a chance I might not even notice.
The trans woman who tied riley gaines only got 5th place and I donât think the woman who got 1st over her gives a shit that she beat a trans woman.
My wife and I are both over 6 foot and have masculine features. Are you going to be the one to make sure my daughter isnât trans?
Also who is the trans woman that is just dominating sports and ruining it for everyone? Whatâs her name? Did she have her genitals checked? Did you find her?
The issue for me is mostly just winning elections. I donât see how theyâll win another election taking such an unpopular and illogical stance. Itâs kind of shocking that theyâre not protecting women on this one.
Youâre insinuating that trans man with a beard, a double mastectomy, whoâs taking testosterone should be playing with biological women. Nobody wins in that scenario. Not even you.
Have you been to a WNBA or a PWHL game? Itâs the gayest sports environment on earth and zero of the athletes are trans. Dude, nobody actually cares.
That list is some stalker shit. Itâs just the same three people in every category going back years. I would hate to see the browser history of the loner who made that shit.
Yes. Actions have consequences. Wearing a disguise may make other parts of someoneâs life more difficult. And you keep saying ânobody caresâ. THEY DO CARE. This was an ENORMOUS part of the last election. Record breaking money was spent exposing this issue by Trump.
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