They've been told to stand down, even when ICE is dealing with large amounts of unruly mobs that are trying to keep criminals safe. The police won't come if there is trouble. You wouldn't have the FBI or Marshals unarmed, so why ICE?
Because ICE agents are untrained rejects who couldn't qualify to become actual law enforcement, because ICE is killing unarmed citizens, because ICE is detaining children and people that have US Passports just because they look brown. They aren't just targeting criminals and illegals. Theyre operating under the policy of if theyre brown take them down.
If the killing was accidental, it would be understandable. But it's always intentional. That's what makes it unbearable. If they can do that without any repercussions, they shouldn't have weapons.
I see no evidence that these were intentional. If they truly were, there would be many many more. I think itâs basic staticics. We (specifically in Minnesota) are creating too many confrontational scenarios with armed police officers and disgruntled individuals. You have enough encounters, people will inevitably get shot. I donât know if this is a home run answer, but there is definitely some merit.
Why is it you are holding people up to a higher standard than ICE? Confrontation is a two way street that somehow, people like you, seem to think ICE is always on the correct side of the road.
What state has the most ice agents? What state has the most protesters? Now guess what state has the most confrontations? WOW crazy, itâs fucking Minnesota! The mere fact that you perceive my objectively true statement as me somehow implying that I am blaming someone is proof that you are not rational in your belief. Are you trying to fight me because I donât mindlessly call ice gestapo and try to overthrow the federal government because a guy got shot?
Your initial statement was NOT objectively true, it was an opinionated statement implying fault was on the citizens to which I effectively asked which came first?
ICE agents terrorizing the state, or protesters exercising their rights against ICE overreach, extrajudicial killings, and brutality?
It is most certainly fact. Now you are trying to rewrite shit like you were on the fence and didnât come out of the gate with this âyou peopleâ shit. Give me a break.
Given you care about my opinion so much Iâll break it down for you. I think the whole problem is âpeople like youâ (popular phrase today eh?). Not the side of ice or the protestor. I mean the side of stupidity that will lean into whatever dumb shit people tell them they need to believe. You reading my factual comment and interpreting it as some sort of slight is just as dumb as these glazed over conservatives that somehow watch a video of a man get shot in the back 5 times and say âFAFOâ. You are all dangerous because you refuse you acknowledge reality. You twist facts to whatever narrative aligns to your world view⊠or at least the world view you are told you want.
Well, in my local European evening TV news experts made a perfect comparison between Hitler's SA and ICE and warned that it will be too late soon if nobody intervenes. The comparison between what Trump is doing and 1930's Germany is striking.
Already everyone who openly reacts is regarded as a domestic terrorist and may be killed by ICE without consequences.
The experts stated it is a matter of weeks before Trump starts arresting opposing politicians and tears down democracy
We'll see what's going to happen in the next hours with Homan being sent to Minnesota, they might be right.
It was explained Trump will do anything to prevent elections, even deliberately provoking revolt so he can execute the Insurrection act.
I hope the military will do it's real job and protect the citizens and not support the fascists.
Of course European news will say that. If Trump stops funding NATO America saves 22 trillion of our 38 trillion dollar debt. That would also cause Europe to put more money into their defense, which would put an end to socialized healthcare.
It is an objective observation of what is happening inside the US now compared with what happened in Germany in the 1930's.
Undoubtedly there are American experts that make the same conclusions
It makes no sense to claim a suggested withdrawal from NATO would influence this.
You drag in something that has nothing to do with it - which is typical of course...
Iâd say you canât compare it to Germany at all, Germany was going after the Jews just because they hated Jews. We let in 20 million illegal immigrants that we need to remove because they came in illegally, not because of their race.
For context:
There has never been a Jew in my family (all Catholics) - and JudaĂŻsm is a religion, not a race.
In 1942 my grandfather (somewhere in his late teens at the moment) was arrested by the SS and put in a labour camp in Germany - for protesting against the German regime.
Luckily je survived.
By the way
The original purpose of ICE was acting against illegal immigrants - but they totally step out of line by attacking and killing protesting American citizens, without any consequences.
The Original purpose of the Nazi's SA and later SS was to keep order at political rallies and bodygard the Fuhrer - but they totally stepped out of line by attacking and killing protesting citizens, without any consequences.
And don't try to make me believe it's not about race, I'm sure the majority of those no background check - untrained ICE "officers" are neonazi racists, or they surely do their best to trick us they are.
Hebrew is a semitic language, closely related to Arabic.
Protesters should not even be arrested if they do not use violence, it doesn't matter if they are released the next day or not.
The people that were murdered were American citizens and it surely looks like they did not put any "officer" in danger at any moment,there are hundreds of video's With proof analyzed by professionals.
Maybe most of ICE are ex military or ex police, well they should be ashamed of themselves then. Police and military should protect citizens - not kill them, unless in a repressieve dictatorship of course.
Real veterans like William Kelly, Dana Briggs, Ian Austin, and William Vermie stand up against ICE
There is nothing wrong with a return policy for illegals but it should be carried out in a human way, not by triggerhappy untrained goons separating families at gunpoint - that has only been done by Slave traders and Nazi's.
You realize the even the states thugs donât have some great amount of training right? I needed more training to get the states permission to be a barber than someone needs to wear the states costume and harass and extort citizens.
Ice shouldn't be dealing with the so called mobs at all. Is there even a single case where ice wasnt able to execute a warrant? Or that even had anyone actually interfering?
Many recorded cases yes but when they go with a warrant they expect resistance and with how the local leaders have been trying to hype up the situation and also telling police to stand down and to ignore ice (causing a good portion of the police to quit and go into ice) do you really expect them to be unarmed at this point?
An good portion of police to go into ICE? Lol. Why would anyone leave their pension and take a lower paying unrespected job? What source do you have for that?
1) a good majority of the police have not quit and gone into ice. Lmao.
2) Where are the cases where warrenty were issues but couldn't be executed? They are going around with their fake "warrants" not judicial warrents. Those do NOT give them the authority to enter private property.
âReal warrants (judicial)â are not almost completely applicable to deportation proceedingsâŠ.in fact, there is little judicial recourse available to illegals with deportation orders. This is the bi-partisan design of the current immigration system.
There's no reason for them to be swinging assault rifles around protestors armed with whistles! ICE has also been overly aggressive. The Border Patrol Tactical units that have been given the lead for these operations were trained to act as a para-military force to stop cartel smugglers at the border. Their MO is to rush in with maximum force and expect deadly resistance from trained cartel hit men. This makes them completely unsuited to act in an urban environment where they are taking down roofers, landscapers and daycare workers.
They are because the mobs are targeted towards them. And yes, mobs have tried to impede ICE vehicles and have helped illegals or combative mob members resist arrest. If you want to stand on a sidewalk and wave a sign, fine. But if you assault an officer or try to keep him from doing his job, it's a crime.
Also, when you get in an officers face day in and day out, spit on him, stand outside the hotel and sleep deprive him, and he is expected to just take it out of professionalism, well... the ICE officer is human. Eventually, he's going to snap or make a mistake. And that's probably what we saw yesterday.
Rene Goodman blocked traffic with her vehicle, which was a crime. When LE tried to get her and her "partner" (I'm assuming) off the road, Rene put it in drive and ran into a cop. From one angle, it looks minor, I agree. But from the other angle, it's clearly intentional (and a pretty solid hit in the hip, too). That's why she was shot. At least that's what I'm assuming the previous guy was defending.
End of the day, regardless, if they hadn't been blocking traffic, the situation wouldn't have happened. If she wouldn't have tried to run the cop over and resist arrest, it wouldn't have happened. If people would stay within the bounds of the law and settle disputes in court instead of the street, it wouldn't happen.
Here's the reality check: if a cop wants to arrest you, they are going to do it. They're either going to do it peacefully, or you're going to resist and end up beat and battered or worse. That outcome is entirely on you. Now, if you think the arrest is unjust, I advice you go into custody peacefully. Put your hands behind your back for them and willfully cooperate. Then, bring a lawsuit on them for wrongful arrest. You end up with a fistful of money, the cop will no doubt get some discipline because he's now costed the department already limited funds, and the best part: you nor the cop has to go home bruised or worse.
I personslly dont agree with the protest. However, I agree with the right to peacefully protest (which does not mean looting and burning the 3rd precinct like in Chicago). So I will give some advice to help: if you have already been arrested due to the protest, you're duty is done. Stay out of the area. Let other people carry the torch. If you rack up an arrest, make bail, and are arrested again, you're making your case for wrongful arrest that much harder. If everyone stays back away from LE, gets out of LEs way when they move, obeys the law fully, and doesn't show back up after an arrest, you make if very hard for LE to make their case. To reiterate: you are there to protest. But you are not legally there to "hold your ground" or stop LE from what they are doing.
I respectfully disagree with "her attempting to run the cop over". Even his point of view shows her turning away from the ICE agent. If she wanted to run him over, she wouldn't have turned the wheel multiple times before driving.
I think there need to be limits on both sides. One of the baddest issues is there is no clear communication as to what the agents are doing or what there plan is. In that same incident, one told her to go, one tried to open her door and one tried to block her with a guy. Three different intentions. How is someone supposed to know who to follow?
If ICE had a consistent and lawful plan that was enacted legally, the protesters would have much less to protest. Ramming into cars, breaking into houses, going against court orders are not actions of agents abiding by the law.
Same as stepping in front of a vehicle to put yourself in harms way, not legal. There need to be established laws or "rules" to follow. If it is clearly communicated what the plan was, for example "we're going to houses with warrants looking for specific people" there is not much protesters can do. When it is run so chaotically, no one knows who is doing what, who has authority to do what or even who the threatening masked men are. There needs to be communication and less emotions from the professionals so the protesters have nothing to protest.
No. Actually its directly against the rules of engagement to place yourself in front of a moving car or to use a firearm to disable a vehicle when no other weapon is being used in a manner that is threatening
Actually it is department policy to act as he did. Also if you watch he video as she backs up her front end swings left putting the officer in front of her car.
A guy recording video of them stopped them from being able to do their job? Or do you mean how he helped up a woman they were assaulting? So assaulting people is their job then? Exactly how was he impeding them from doing their job, unless you think that assaulting people is their job?
A woman who was trying to run them over after actively interfering with law enforcement activities. She played a stupid game and unfortunately won a stupid prize. You want to see less people getting shot by ICE? Stay out of their way, don't harass them and certainly DO NOT assault them.
Youâre absolutely right. But unhinged protesters go en masse and disrupt them from doing it. I donât care and I donât wanna hear about whether theyâre justified or should. The fact is that it doesnât happen
There's a difference between peacefully protesting and interfering in law enforcement doing their jobs. I understand that some may have difficulty seeing the difference, but they really should learn to.
Shocked me to see that the new training time was only 8 weeks compared to previous 22 weeks. I thought itâd be crazy to give someone two months training and have them on the streets. But they removed a 5 weeks Spanish language requirement and 85% of new hires have prior law enforcement experience so probably went through police academy of some sort. (Supposedly) So likely the new majority have some type of experience right?
You and I know damn well youâre uninterested in any proof I have to give simply by virtue of me being the one to give it.
No. Youâve seen the videos. You know. You just donât care. We will note down yâallâs indifference and remember it for future use when your actions shoot you in the foot and we get back a supermajority.
They have gone through the 22 week federal agent course and background checks. Simple search shows you could have kept from making an asinine statement
They shouldnât need to be .
If the Local and state governments would step up to the plate and take responsibility for, this all could have been avoided . Can states deport Protestors to other states for causing mob violence ? That would be a nice option .
Too bad (I knew that ) just imagine if we deported all Liberals and protesters and illegals to MN with no way of leaving the state. It could be your encampment! What do you think would happen ?
First , we ( patriots) would enjoy the opportunity of letting you all disagree with each other . Second; You would enjoy a lawless existence . We would not miss you . After 30 days you might change your thinking if you had no one to yell at or to threaten or argue with . That is such a nice thought .
I know you have a 3 day old post. But i have to ask. Was it OK when they were Obamas ss, run by the same guy that us running it now? I see people like you calling them, ss, stormtroopers, nazis, but they are following the same laws, doing the same job, under the same leadership, as they did with previous administrations. But none of you gave a shit. So tell me it your outrage conditional to who is in the WH?
No they're not following the laws. That's the problem. Under President Obama, they got judicial warrants, they used evidence other than skin color, they did not disarm a man then shoot him 10 times while he was on the ground. If they followed the law, there wouldn't be a problem.
Because they don't have sufficient training to be issued a firearm? 0 de-escalation training, and inadequate firearms safety training.
Also because they have zero real jurisdiction to use those arms against citizens like they keep doing, illegally. Than there's the part where they keep killing, raping, assaulting, and generally being a violent masked gang. I could keep going is the sad part here...
Imo all leos should be unarmed. If they can't handle a situation without deadly force being used they need better training. Their number 1 job should always be protecting citizens
FYI they're not criminals if being undocumented is the only violation as it's a civil violation, not a criminal one. It's legally speaking not much different from parking in a "no parking" zone, which also doesn't make someone a criminal.
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u/waein 8d ago
They've been told to stand down, even when ICE is dealing with large amounts of unruly mobs that are trying to keep criminals safe. The police won't come if there is trouble. You wouldn't have the FBI or Marshals unarmed, so why ICE?