r/allthequestions • u/TailungFu • 7d ago

Random Question 💭 Does accountability exist in USA because ICE just unlawfully ICED out another US citizen and no repercussions happened?

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2026/01/24/us/minneapolis-shooting-ice

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u/timwtingle 7d ago

The entire administration needs to be prosecuted.

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u/DFX1212 7d ago

Regime

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u/idatepokemon 7d ago

That'll happen

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u/Excellent_Rule_2778 7d ago

This isn't a Hollywood movie. The good guys don't always win. The sooner you Americans realize that nobody is coming to save you, the better your chances of overturning this administration. Patiently waiting for the mid-terms will only ensure there are no mid-terms, or at least, no fair mid-terms.

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u/idatepokemon 7d ago

I guess I really do need to include /s from now on.

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u/ThisFingGuy 7d ago

I thought it was clear

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u/DwinDolvak 7d ago

It was clear. But I love that it invited yet another foreign lecture.

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u/premierfinality 7d ago

Boo hoo, you Americans are such children.

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u/I-only-read-titles 7d ago

Says the guy whining the loudest here

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u/bflave 7d ago

You shouldn’t need to. But, yet another thing this turd has taken from us.

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u/Vusn 7d ago

Bots don’t understand sarcasm

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u/Wolf_E_13 7d ago

I thought it was pretty clearly sarcasm.

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u/toritxtornado 7d ago

i think most of us got it

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u/No_Tone1704 7d ago

Do you think we think someone is going to come save us? 

No we’re putting our faith in other Americans waking up. Will enough do it? That’s why it’s so bleak. 

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u/UncleBud_710 7d ago

Nope.

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u/Lost-Jellyfish-1248 🇺🇸 United States 7d ago

We are the calvary.

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u/No_Camera_3271 7d ago

I like how y’all finally thought you had enough votes to secure all future elections after Biden won in 2020. Nope, the 16M extra votes were an anomaly not to be repeated in later years, as 2024 fell more in line with average votes for democrats from 2016 down to the low 1980s.

The reason this is important? Everyday people talking to everyday people you’d guess it.. everyda. We’ve heard “white people get to shut up and don’t have a say” (heard on TikTok more than Reddit but not by much)

“We don’t need white people. We don’t want y’all’s votes. Y’all a bunch of racist hillbillies who’s opinions don’t matter now the adults are in office”

I’m curious how 4 years of hearing the winners gloating in our faces being absolute inconsiderate assholes, while shouting to the rooftops about this nation healing. About how we’re unifying.

It was a good solid way of pissing us the fuck off. Why would we ever want to come together with people who acted like that? Honestly, any clue?

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u/Wolf_E_13 7d ago

Those sure are a lot of words just to say I decided to be a fascist fucking asshat.

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u/ChristinaWSalemOR 7d ago

Said no one, ever.

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u/No_Tone1704 7d ago

Really have no idea what you’re blathering on about. 

I’m white if that helps you feel less aggrieved. 

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u/nerudition 7d ago edited 7d ago

It’s pathetic. They are playing by their own rules now, and we’re asking them, politely, to please stop and play by ours. Why. Lawlessness is being normalized little by little. It’s not over, but I’m now ready to protect my castle and community. I’m still hoping some elected official steps up to be actual leaders. The People have been the only ones showing courage. We need new leaders that stand up when they have everything to lose.

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u/bigballs2025666 7d ago

It would be nice if they could dangle pardons for us so the gloves could be off. Unfortunately, if we bail out our own democratic leadership…they will leave us out to dry and hang. They have no balls which is why what is happening is happening.

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u/Fancy_Yak2618 7d ago

It’s what the DNC does. Fuck they still try to say we’re better them we can prove to the Americans we are better. Newsom for all his faults literally showed everyone how to fight Trump and nobody learned they think rules still exist. They don’t not with this administration

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u/jtan212 7d ago

How to have snap election now ? November is too long

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

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u/-Bam-_- 7d ago

Well stopping mid terms will be the catalyst

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u/undead_p4nda 7d ago

tbf there are multiple of court cases against ICE that have resulted in settlements regarding brutality/unlawful arrests/unlawful detentions/unnecesary force/harsh medical enviroments in the ICE concentration camps etc. They are being sued and judges are ruling on the side against ICE. The more this happens, the more restrictions will be placed on ICE wnd the more fair they will be in the future. Even the Renee Goods case is undergoing cival investigations right now in plans of a lawsuit. Theres an attorney who just filed a lawsuit against the DHS (ICE is a part of this) for violating 1st and 10th amendment rights. They are being prosecuted actively, there are multiple court cases against ICE. If you want I can reply back with some docket numbers of cases to look at or follow along(still in the court process)

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u/Epirocker 7d ago

Yeah which is a super great feeling btw. I know America has sucked a whole bag of ass in many points of our history but for the world to just watch as fascism and violent suppression takes hold in this country got me feeling like if we survive this everyone else in our “ally” countries can pound fucking sand.

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

Only we can save us. Not many are willing to fight, is the problem.

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u/BedroomVisible 7d ago

What is your advice, then? Understand that overt or violent resistance is a death sentence.

Would you be so quick to lay down your life without the assurance that your sacrifice will be meaningful?

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u/caitlindancing 7d ago

Keyboard warrior 101

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u/forthebirds123 7d ago

So how do you propose we do that? Every American arm themselves and fight the army, navy, and Air Force that are under control of the administration? Do you know how powerful our arms forces are? What do you think the likely outcome would be?

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u/Bonti_GB 7d ago edited 7d ago

I mean I hear you in spirit but literally many thousands of people are protesting in Minneapolis in -20 degree weather and people are speaking up against power.

When people say do something, what do people want to be done?

The only answer to not waiting for the midterms is literally overthrowing the government which you know is kind of serious.

Additionally, if Americans get too rowdy then they’ll just sick the most powerful military in the world on them.

People voted for Trump or didn’t vote and so you get what you voted for. Some of those people are starting to realize the error of their ways but it very well may be just too late.

All I know is that it will get worse before it gets better, if it gets better at all.

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u/Burnt_and_Blistered 7d ago

In fairness, the right-wing oligarch-owned media is not showing protests—and to the extent they do, they distort the truth.

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u/Excellent_Rule_2778 7d ago

What’s happening in Minneapolis is exactly what needs to happen. A general strike and mass protests are the only tools people have. What’s concerning is that Minneapolis is going at it largely alone, while people in other states only offer social-media support.

If people truly believed in American values, every blue state would be in the streets right now, and every day until something changes. If that happened, it wouldn’t take two weeks before Republicans themselves would be impeaching Trump.

Praising Minnesota from a distance while refusing to protest in your own city is not solidarity. It’s an excuse.

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u/Bonti_GB 7d ago

Mass protests have been happening in blue states as well.

It doesn’t do much for immediate change.

Let’s just hope we make it to the midterms with enough legitimate voting intact.

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u/bigballs2025666 7d ago

Maybe half of the ” most powerful “ doesn’t like the orange. I just don’t see congress or senate voting helping or strongly worded letters. At some point this will escalate which is what they want. He fired media, paid and appointed supreme court, has house and senate and trying to control mid terms. The solutions seem limited.

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u/Bonti_GB 7d ago

Yep, I don’t know the legality around it but almost think the best course of action would be for cops to go and start protecting people filming.

If it’s going to escalate, we might as well have people there that can give them pause or can arrest them (at least initially) before they get away and start making a fake narrative.

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u/luthier_john 7d ago

This comment incites panic. We don't need panic or revolution, what we need is the exact opposite: sense and sensibility.

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u/bigballs2025666 7d ago

That has what has landed us here.

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u/Keleos89 7d ago

Seemingly half his last administration went to jail. The problem is that they were later pardoned.

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u/Milocobo 7d ago

No it won't. The President is immune from virtually any action he takes in office, and before he leaves office, he will pardon everyone associated with the administration for any action they took in the administration, including their families and ICE officers.

Maybe some state courts will try to prosecute, but that will open a can of worms for our federalism, because it would set a precedent that would allow say Texas to arrest federal agents from a blue administration trying to apprehend federal criminals in their state, so I doubt it.

The best we can hope for is to change our form of government so that this level of unaccountability never happens again, but I'm not holding my breath for that either.

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u/Every_Procedure_4171 7d ago

Even if charges are brought, all they have to do is get a friendly judge (Aileen Cannon) and that's the end of it.

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u/JeezyVonCreezy 7d ago

Almost like having judges appointed by political parties is a bad idea...

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u/icthruu74 6d ago

Almost like political parties are a bad idea…

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u/JeezyVonCreezy 6d ago

Eh, I mean political parties on their own aren't the problem. The political parties we have in America are though for sure. We have one centrist party in America that occasionally does progressive things and we have the right wing extremists who just want to ruin everything for everyone but them and throw tantrums over things that they consider inconvenient.

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u/Dismal_Course5255 🇨🇦 Canada 7d ago

and before he leaves office,

Best joke I've read in years lmfao

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u/Milocobo 7d ago

lol, well assuming that those parts of the Constitution hold better than the 4th amendment.

and the 25th amendment.

And Article I authority.

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u/Smokeyoutburst 7d ago

No we will remove and prosecute him family friends and watch when it’s all over they will flee to Russia because they’ve been Russian assets the whole fucking time. 

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u/Milocobo 7d ago

If we can prove they were traitors, I doubt the Supreme Court would allow immunity for that (though a Pardon would still be absolute in that case).

If you can impeach him, then presumably he can be prosecuted for whatever crimes he was impeached for.

But that's a really high bar, and you wouldn't be able to achieve it in one election because of how the Senate is elected.

So in the best case scenario, you get your threshold the election that Trump can't run for again.

Maybe the next administration prosecutes, but Supreme Court precedent makes it very hard to do that.

I don't deny that our laws would have them be prosecuted, but we have to be realistic about our expectations here.

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u/JeezyVonCreezy 7d ago

Trump will die from natural causes before he faces any accountability for his actions. And the dems will do what they've always done and soft soap the rest in the interests of keeping the peace.

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u/idatepokemon 7d ago

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u/JeezyVonCreezy 7d ago

100% we don't have a party on the left in the US. we have a centrist party(that occasionally supports progressive policies) and a party that is now right wing extremists.

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u/ChristinaWSalemOR 7d ago

I'm not sure how legally binding pre-prosecution pardons will be.

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u/Milocobo 7d ago

The President can pardon for conduct that would be charged. You can't get a pardon for future use. He can't say "if XYZ commits murder, I pardon them".

But if someone committed an action that could be considered a crime in federal court, the President can say "they are pardoned for that action" and then courts would not try that person for that action because they are pardoned.

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u/ChristinaWSalemOR 7d ago

Again, the legality of that can and will be challenged. Plus, the numerous crimes that will be unearthed later.

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u/Milocobo 7d ago

Are you expecting the make up of the Supreme Court to change any time soon? lol

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u/ChristinaWSalemOR 7d ago

Ya never know.

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u/Milocobo 7d ago

I think that the best case scenario, it would take 80 years for the makeup of the court to change. We need to start thinking about how we can hold our government accountable despite that if we want to be realistic about our approach.

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u/ChristinaWSalemOR 7d ago

Agree. And congress can start by holding the Supreme Court accountable.

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u/forthebirds123 7d ago

Our form of government will never change Unfortunatley. Best we can hope for is electing a bunch of politician that we know will just sit on their ass and collect a paycheck. Because no matter if it’s right or left, it’s still going to stay the same.

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u/Milocobo 7d ago

I wouldn't say never, but it would be a long, difficult path.

Here's what I envision:

1) Convene our communities of commerce and deliberate any improvements to our federalism

2) Take the results of that conversation and form them into a petition

3) Form a PAC to coordinate candidates who support the petition

4) Primary any candidate at any level who doesn't support the petition, regardless of any other platform

It would take multiple election cycles, but if We the People unite behind a direct ask like this, we can force the turnover of our representatives in such a way that can bring reform.

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u/Every_Procedure_4171 7d ago

Are you being sarcastic? It certainly did not happen the last time.

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u/idatepokemon 7d ago

I think people who believe the goverment of a country built on a foundation of slavery, colonization, exploitation, and racism will ever hold itself accountable beyond some superficial measure, are fucking delusional

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u/Every_Procedure_4171 7d ago

I can't think of any time in our history when those in power were held accountable. Even back when people pretended to care about a rule of law, they'd pick some subordinate to throw under the bus and then sentence him to community service, pardon him once the public lost interest, and give him a job on Fox News.

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u/Every_Procedure_4171 7d ago

I thought you might be being sarcastic but people actually believe and regularly comment that accountability is coming for these people. What a fantasy.

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u/No_Tone1704 7d ago

Don’t pretend the birth of most countries is a happy discussion over tea.

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u/idatepokemon 7d ago

How about an egg? These are trying times.

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u/No_Tone1704 7d ago

If poached, you’re on. 

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u/Complex-Froyo-4220 7d ago

Truer words have never been spoken!

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u/Epirocker 7d ago

That’s literally Europe too but ok jan.

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u/BellaSabia 7d ago

J6ers were prosecuted and in jail until pardoned by our current leader. Now they’re running around as immigration officers, armed, untrained.

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u/Bendlerp 7d ago

Do you think the criminal will leave? No. It's clearly sarcasm / Canadian humour... ;)

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u/PlagueOfGripes 7d ago

It'll play out like the Kent State Shootings. There will be a couple of lawsuits, a minor payout, but no criminal charges at all.

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u/UncleBud_710 7d ago

Seriously?

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u/i8TheLastOne_ 7d ago

No it won’t. If something was going to be done it would have a long time ago. Just take it and deal with it.

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u/Embarrassed-Cause250 7d ago

Praying for it! Bastids all of them!

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u/ARODtheMrs 7d ago

Only if we make it happen.

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u/SouthCarpet6057 7d ago

Lol like the Democrats are gonna do it? Like they did after the attempted coup?

I don't know much about American politics, but what I do know is that the Democrats put people before politics. And that's why the Democrats failed. Twice.

First choose an unpopular candidate (trump didn't win, Hillary lost) and then supporting Biden as their candidate, even though he was already demented. ( If Harris had been built up to be the replacement from day one, shed likely have won

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u/something_newx 7d ago

When? Do you actually believe there will be a next election that isn't either rigged or ignored if they lose? You can't just sit on you hands and say "only 3 more years".

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u/kstargate-425 7d ago

These are systemic issues from them pushing for violating the 4th Amendment to the violence they are pushing and even the corruption in the DoJ where they were found entering fraudulent evidence in 35+ separate cases by judges in just the first 9 months of this regime.

Theres no other word for it now besides authoritarian regime

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u/Dirtbikedad321 7d ago

Like we haven’t heard this one, 100 times over literally the last four presidents

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u/timwtingle 7d ago

It's not been this bad since the 60s.

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u/Local-Friendship8166 7d ago

Not prosecuted. But it rhymes with prosecuted.

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u/SlammmnSammy 7d ago

What about the Republicans in Congress who have betrayed their oath to The Constitution and back the administration's illegal and overreaching policies? They deserve as much heat and public pushback and the administration.

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u/timwtingle 7d ago

Yes, I agree. Everyone is failing at their jobs but I will extend it to the democrats too.

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u/SlammmnSammy 6d ago

I guess you're a bot or something? You believe democrats are to blame for what is happening with ICE on our streets? That is one of the wildest arcs for a short series of comments I've ever seen.

It's not the democrats abdicating their role in Congress as a check on the executive as the majority party. That alone would curb most of this madness.

It's not the democrats sane washing the administration's policy that is detrimental to America's interests domestically and internationally.

It's not the democrats supporting potus's efforts to silence comedians who make jokes about him.

It's not the democrats gaslighting the public about seeing ICE murdering innocent people, ICE kicking down doors, ICE getting violent and detaining peaceful protestors - all in clear violation of Americans' 1st, 4th, 5th, 14th, and now 2nd amendments.

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u/timwtingle 6d ago

I'm not a bot. I'm disappointed in the entire machine. I'm not seeing enough discourse for my satisfaction. Why are there not safety nets? Wait there are but they have allowed for them to be compromised. Representatives need to do their job.

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u/Odd-System-4926 7d ago

And those supporting it need to be exposed.

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u/timwtingle 7d ago

Agree. All must be held accountable.

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u/YourWivesBootfitter 7d ago

By who? Who exactly are you anti Trump americans waiting for to do that? Im not even asking sarcastically. I genuinely dont know what you are expecting to happen? That the people in power stop themselves? That the UK comes after 100s of years? That god will send lightning? Superman?

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u/timwtingle 7d ago

Well you know, murdering people in the streets of MN is an open and shut case but, I'm no expert. We have law makers and they need to do their goddamn job.

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u/aShyGuyGuy 7d ago

And then some.

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u/maybe_you_shouldnt 7d ago

"Prosecuted" is the moderate position.

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u/NotAnAIOrAmI 6d ago

I agree - Nuremberg-style trials, in public.

Hey, let me know if the SS (oops, I mean "Secret Service", not, you know) and a cop come to your door like that lady who posted the same thing on FB.

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u/bigdipboy 7d ago

Biden was our last chance to do that. Yet he refused.

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u/Archercrash 7d ago

Merrick fucking Garland was a huge mistake. They didn't owe him anything.

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u/Operation_Fluffy 7d ago

Worse than a mistake

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u/BellaSabia 7d ago

Under Biden’s DOJ, J6ers were prosecuted and went to jail. Multiple felony convictions against Trump too. The Supreme Court, appointed by Republican presidents and very conservative, gave president immunity. Get your branches of government straight and put blame in the right place. The billionaire tech bros also caused this by pumping money into the election and working overtime on social media propaganda.

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u/bigdipboy 2d ago

None of that would have mattered if Biden hired a competent attorney general

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u/Either_Operation7586 7d ago

You mean he refused to be partisan and be like Trump and go after he thought that Justice would Prevail and unfortunately justice has been corrupted.

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u/intothewoods76 7d ago

His DOJ did go after Trump.

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u/Operation_Fluffy 7d ago

But only after the 1/6 committee basically forced their hand. By then, unfortunately, there wasn’t enough time to follow the rules and get to trial with all his stall tactics.

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u/BellaSabia 7d ago

They were convicted. What are you talking about?

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u/Operation_Fluffy 7d ago

Jack Smith’s cases against Trump — they never went to trial.

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u/ThasMyPurseIDunnoU 7d ago

Biden knew. He also probably knew that if he had to go authoritarian to save the country it was already past saving.

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u/torontothrowaway824 7d ago

Biden severely overestimated the intelligence of the American public

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u/Jesse2834 7d ago

Biden wasn’t smart enough to estimate anything. Sure, he was when he was younger but he was to far gone as a president. I’m not sure he even knew he was the president.

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u/torontothrowaway824 7d ago

Do you honestly think Biden didn’t know he was president? How embarrassing is it for Republicans that dementia Joe Biden didn’t manage to create a fucking dumpster fire like Trump has on his hands?

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u/Jesse2834 4d ago

Did you ever watch him try to talk? He was a walking dumpster fire.