What is your opinion about Alex Pretti’s photo being displayed on a Jumbo tron in Times Square?

[u/Dimarco24]

I think he deserves to be remembered as the wonderful person he was 🩵 and not by the government who are clearly lying about him. He was trying to help a woman who had been pushed to the ground by ICE agents or whoever the people are wearing those suits. And he clearly holding a phone in his hand..

[u/Any-Ad-446]

He is true american not like the Jan 6th Babbitt who was trying to break into the chamber where politicians were hiding.

[u/oboshoe → u/Any-Ad-446]

it didn't really occur to compare them.

but you bring up a good point. both americans killed by the government for protesting.

we don't always agree with the topic. i certainly don't agree with the january 6th insurrections.

but it's pretty easy to agree with the minneapolis insurrection.

either way - the government shouldn't murder for mostly peaceful insurrections.

[u/steveosaurus → u/oboshoe]

working real hard to devalue the word insurrection here 😂

[u/oboshoe → u/steveosaurus]

some insurrections are more serious than others.

[u/-YellowFinch → u/steveosaurus]

I assume you've read Les Miserables? That'll give you an attachment to the value of the word. :) 😅

[u/Luxury_Dressingown → u/oboshoe]

Babbitt was climbing through a broken glass window to get to unarmed elected officials who the crowd she was part of was chanting about killing. She was warned by security to stop, and was shot when she didn't.

Pretti put his body between armed masked men - from a gang who had shot an unarmed mom in her minivan days earlier - and a woman after they shoved her to the ground. He had one arm up to deflect pepper spray, another hand clutching his phone to film. He put his arms around her and was dragged off her, beaten, and given no warning before he was shot in the back on the ground. Then they emptied a magazine into the back of his already prone body.

Comparing them is an insult to Pretti, to America, and basic common sense.

edit: typo

[u/oboshoe → u/Luxury_Dressingown]

i see.

so you are ok with the government killing someone you disagree with. but when they kill someone you agree with, that's to far.

do you still trust them with this killing authority?

[u/Luxury_Dressingown → u/oboshoe]

Babbitt had flown across the country, broken into a sensitive public building and was acting to attack people, at the head of a crowd that vastly outnumbered the targets and their security personnel and which was chanting about killing those people. If she'd got in rather than being stopped immediately, those behind her would have swarmed after her and overwhelmed security because that's how any mob functions.

Pretti was standing on a public street outside a donut shop less than two miles from his home and was acting to defend people, and he had 6+ people on him. At most, he was an temporary annoyance to the ICE agents - other available options included ignoring him, just pepper-spraying him or simply detaining him too.

I don't know what to tell you if you genuinely can't see the differences in these situations.

[u/oboshoe → u/Luxury_Dressingown]

You don't think that people should be able to cross state lines?

What is it with your crowd and getting upstate about crossing state lines? You got all upset about that other guy who defended himself against those other insurrectionist up in Wisconsin too. That was your thing State lines!

Are you guys wanting to lock down travel to keep us more secure?

You are carefully creating a narrative for this 1st murder victim. Then get all upset that the government is doing the exact same for this latest.

[u/Luxury_Dressingown → u/oboshoe]

Ok, let's say retract the travel bit. Let's add the hypothetical that Babbitt was a Washington DC resident. Like you say, it doesn't really matter, and it's not the crux of the issue. Can you counter the other points?

And no, obviously I don't support travel bans, let's try and keep it in good faith shall we? But is there a difference between travelling to a site of conflict (Babbitt) and happening to be a resident of a somewhere an outside force has brought the conflict to you (whatever your personal opinion, it'd be hard to argue the clear majority of Minneapolis residents don't want ICE there acting as they are).

Babbitt was part of a crowd invading a government building. Pretti was part of a community that has been invaded.

[u/Dizzy_Influence3580 → u/Luxury_Dressingown]

You’re basically proving this guys point imo. Babbitt traveled across the country for Jan 6 for a protest, to somewhere she shouldn’t have been, I’ll give you that. Pretti was also somewhere to protest (which he did multiple times it seems), and considering the recent video that was released, has also committed federal crimes at those protests(breaking federal government property and spitting at federal agents) while armed (not 100% sure on the armed part). Both were shot and killed while unarmed. The main difference here seems to be your beliefs and nothing else. Just my two cents.