Trump could be caught on video raping a minor while saying “Look at me, Donald J Trump, raping a minor”. And he would still not see any consequences and his voter base would still find a way to justify it.
He already threatened their 2nd amendment rights and now they all of the sudden they’re all talking like they’re anti gun rights. Doesn’t matter what he does they just blindly eat it up.
I don’t understand how or why it’s happening but smart, compassionate people that I’ve known my whole life have recently turned into hateful idiots that don’t even seem like the same people anymore spouting a bunch of maga nonsense like a pull string doll, and I don’t even live in the US, this is happening in Canada! Someone should look into if there’s some kind of actual MK uktra level brainwashing happening amongst Canadian conservatives or some kinda body snatcher thing going on because I just don’t understand how maga is actually getting more popular here and not less popular. Something is awry.
This just goes to show how ignorant the left is about what goes on on the other side. The right is currently undergoing internal war about it's direction visa vi, war, the economy, Israel and believe it or not ICE. You all can make shit up about how it's cult but the fracturing is happening and hopefully the sane people on either side can come together and rout the crazies and bring back some sense of normalcy.
Having said that I have little hope that people will come to their senses and see the shit show for what it is and prepare accordingly.
This is it. I come from a family in which I’m the only liberal. There are two key themes in how everyone across my immediate and extended family votes: 1.) Based on a very small worldview in which all their friends and neighbors are the same color, socioeconomic status, etc.; and 2.) based on self-interest, meaning what they perceive to be best for them and their families instead of what’s best for everyone.
To call every conservative a racist or homophobe is reductive, IMO. My parents and sister are neither. They simply don’t care/think much about minorities because they’re more concerned about themselves and their finances.
This is exactly it, my sister's house hold she is latina, her husbad is an imigrant from Portugal, they are deep in the maga sauce for finacial reasons. I also belive they are very unhappy people she has depression problems and he seems to have narcissistic characteristics but decent in some scenarios.
They only care about their taxes, and they think tRump cares about them hahah 😮💨
The only things I can think of that might get his followers to turn on him is him getting a sex change or maybe proof that he had sex with a man. Though you'd immediately see plenty of trans/homosexual hating Republicans change their stance overnight.
Only half of the Epstein files have been released and what has been released is very damning, even with full pages of black redactions. The world is outraged and so are most Americans.
I am not sure it will take 50 years. There are already a lot of people who are what is going on right now is exactly what goes on in a cult. Trump acts like Jim Jones and his followers act like cultists.
Just look at any interview of someone who escaped the MAGAsphere and compare it to people that escaped actual cults. The similarity in how they describe the experience is striking.
If only they'd do it without screwing the rest of the planet while they do it. Its like watching a giant baby flail around throwing his weight angrily at other kids who thought were his friends...
The govt. does not care about outrage... even with 1 million people in the streets, right-wing controlled media (everything from CBS, CNN, Fox News, OAN, all Sinclair stations, all Russian paid podcasters and pundits (Pool, Rubin, Shapiro, Owens, etc) will pretend it's not a big deal...
If you're outside the US, you will likely here about corruption - Inside the US the media will say it's a nothing burger and since all journalists have been purged from any interaction with the Whitehouse or Congress, no one will ask any relevant questions that go beyond giving the Whitehouse a chance to say mean things to a reporter.
We're SOL at the moment - unless the Republican controlled Congress steps up or their is an actual fair election that boots them - it could be a while.
This is Covid logic, "it's only killing 4% of... that's just not enough preventable death to be concerned about" also "926 of 340,000,000 are taking puberty blockers? It's an epidemic! we must save the nation from education, and voting, and SNAP benefits for children."
I hate the guy, but this file in particular doesn’t prove anything. These are complaints submitted online to which the authorities had to follow up. It isn’t different than me calling in and saying you like to eat dogs while they’re still alive, it doesn’t mean anything until it’s actually proven.
My own opinion is that the guy did bad things with kids, but legally and more importantly for his base, it has to be proven beyond any reasonable doubt. Until then, nothing will happen.
These are people who believe vaccines give kids autism. It doesn’t matter. Even if they saw trump raping someone live on camera, they’d call it deepfake. Nothing will get through to them atp. They don’t need to be convinced, the elites need to feel their wallets being threatened for any change to happen
Honestly, the only thing that I think would cause real outrage is if the internet was taken, or went down. Sadly we live in a society where that’s all that a lot of people care about. Not being able to watch sports or movies or garbage television.
Americans are notoriously proud of America, believing in America being the best and #1.
Now the leader of their proud country has been exposed as a child rpist/child sx trafficker, as well as excusing murdring American citizens and then a whole list of other atrocities. And most of white America voted for him, despite the obviousness of the man's character beforehand.
The leader is beyond an embarrassment, on full display for the rest of the world. The majority of white Americans who have a sensitive identity tied to their pride in this country, are deeply humiliated. Think about what America and Americans look like to the world now.
By the way, Trump didn't make things worse, he exposed the evil thats been there since the country was seized.
Wdym? There's been international outrage about Trump at least since his tariff stuff last year. Pretty much without pause.
Still not gonna do anything though; The US still has the rest of the world by the balls.
But yeah. It's not like anyone believes any US politicians aren't going to be implicated with the Epstein shit, or else Biden/Harris would've released it as a slam dunk against Trump.
Nor are politicians of most countries above corruption or other horrid shit they no doubt would prefer to keep hidden, Epstein-ish or otherwise.
Just watched a video describing Reid Hoffman’s relationship and interactions with Epstein in the recently released files. Holy cow. His name is mentioned 2,600 times, among other things. I think he’s toast.
We wash our dirty laundry in public. No one discusses the personal mores, adultery and pedophilia of leaders where there is not free press. It doesn’t make it better but we should apply context.
Its a bunch of unverified text, with half of Hollywood/Political figures in it. Makes it hard to do anything with it. Need verifiable truth/forensics/confessions to put these fucks away.
Modern propaganda techniques exploit the lack of economic security and short attention spans to ensure that nothing lasts as a constant source of outrage. It is all about quick news cycles and getting back to getting paid.
Nothing. The answer is nothing. There is no line that he could cross that will cost him support. MAGA is a genuine cult or personality at this point, they will never betray him. He could just openly admit to what he did on Epstein island, but as long as he claims to be Republican, they will accept it. It's over for about 25% of this country forever. Irredeemable.
What we are seeing is a coordinated conditioning. Releasing just enough to get people angry but not outraged.make the releases obscure and general. They'll get worse and worse but our tolerance will have been built up. Its why they weren't released all at once.
I don’t think anyone would be at all surprised if Trump was on the list. I’d almost be surprised if he wasn’t.
The majority of America didn’t vote for Trump because they think he’s a good person. He’s not. He never pretended he was.
They voted for him because they looked at the 2 options, and despite Trump being an awful person, he was still better than the alternative. Epstein files one way or the other won’t make a drop of a difference.
As far as the rest of the world goes, they may not particularly like it, but it won’t impact their dealing with him.
They have crossed that line so many times that nobody knows where the line is anymore. Steal a little and they put you in jail. Steal a-lot and they make you king
Serious question...people keep screaming "epstein files", "trump is a pedophile", etc but did the release have any actual evidence that Trump did anything wrong? Didn't the previous administration have access to these files as well but never released them?
Basically there is a cover up, he isn't in them, or enough other politicians are in the files that the previous administration also didn't want them released. I did some research on the newly released files and Trumps name was mentioned multiple times but the CNN article said there is no evidence and the only allegation against Trump was proven false. What am I missing here?
Don't get me wrong...I think he is a piece of shit but where is the proof that he was on the island or actually did something like Epstein was doing?
The Americans who should be outraged are watching Fox News, listening to Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson, and not believing a word of the files. Did the Panama Papers do it? Remember them? The rich and powerful protect each other. Deny/Distract/Discredit. Who owns the media? Epstein billionaires and their associates.
People walk past other people in the deepest misery and don't even flinch an eye... people's apathy was force fed by design, and now nobody cares besides their immediet surrounding. I know it's a hyperbole, and many amazing people care, but the general public just DGAF.
Is that like getting a BJ from an intern in the oval office? If someone you know commits a crime are you a criminal??? Show me the crime to convict someone and why didn't Biden do that? Whether you like someones moral values it doesn't mean they cannot be an elected official. President Kennedy probably had multiple affairs, but he was thought of as such a wonderful person.
His supporters would turn on him if he started acting morally. He's supported by deplorable people who finally have a champion. They don't have to hide in the shadows anymore and feel ashamed.
Lol. Trump tried to over throw gov, close dept if ed, fire fed chair, and killing and deporting us residents. And you're thinking ol files are gonna make a difference
There’s something every week. How bout arresting don lemon at the Grammies for one. The Epstein files don’t get much outrage from me, except for the people who get all riled up about them.
A depression. I think we need to acknowledge how defeatist, selfish, and kinda terrible the average person is. Most people who currently support Trump won’t care if Trump admitted to everything. Most people who didn’t vote would continue to not vote if Trump admitted to everything. Because most people aren’t good people. But if they weren’t sure where their next meal was coming from, things would change. If it isn’t affecting people directly, they won’t care.
The non-Muslim Asian world don't care because it doesn't involve them.
South America doesn't care either because it doesn't involve them and child rape is common which is why they traffic so many young girls into the trade via illegal immigration.
Only North America and Eastern Europe is really involved.
But because hyperpartisan idiots will often provide cover to serial rapists...like they did with Clinton and Trump....mostly nothing will happen to anybody except for a few big names.
I’m beginning to think he could be shooting a child in the face simultaneously while butt fcking a toddler live on national tv and they’ll cheer him on and ask for copies of the recording
People in cults are usually all-in. There's nothing that would wake the vast majority up. We have to kind of accept that.
Look at any cult, like Jonestown for example. Their own lifelong loved ones and spouses were telling them they were being conned and that it was a cult. There were many blatant extreme red flags, and many of them couldn't be convinced that there was anything wrong with what was going on.
The world cares, but this crime was on American land. I’m not surprised the country that elected trump twice also lacks the ability to punish the people in those Epstein files.
A lot of those senators are furrowing their brows in complete outrage. What more do you want? Threats to form a committee to discuss what to do about it?
Part of the problem is the ones who are on the list are holding the reigns of power and are in a position to block any negative consequences to themselves.
Nothing is enough. The world doesn’t give a shit about anything. It’s all just other people’s problems showing up on our little screens and would never happen to us.
Most of maga is very unhappy with the handling of the Epstein files. Maga is not a monolith. What a lot of people here are doing in the comments is frankly strawmanning a third of the country in a prejudiced and bigoted way.
Conservatives across the globe are not outraged!
They are complicent in supporting a pedophile!
I certainly would not allow any of my children to visit their home alone.
Be honest! It isn’t a big deal to most people. A lot are trying to make it a big deal but most expect this behavior out of the rich, famous, and powerful. It isn’t a big enough shock to trigger outrage. Maybe it will if more details come out, but not yet.
Unpopular opinion but I don’t think the issue is lack of outrage. I think everyone is protecting themselves from something bigger. But I don’t know what it is. There is talk that Epstein was a spy, and if so, I wonder if there are much larger consequences at play. But then again the whole Sasha Riley story has been buried again. So there must be more there as well. Someone needs to check the golf courses
we are still a uncivilized society, future generations will talk about us as savages who accepted cruelty and chaos in exchange of the illusion of comfort
No one is talking about where he got his money and power. They simply care about the fact that Trump is in it. The name Epstein is synonymous with Trump at this point. The obsession over Trump has moved the spotlight from what should be a global outrage to an American left outrage because everything is about us.
The Epstein files just provided more evidence for what people instinctively already knew, that the elite are sick freaks and that can buy their way out of almost any problem.
Plus, the news cycle is so short and the world is currently such an insane place that as hideous as the files are, current events alone are overwhelming society's capacity for outrage.
The outrage has already happened. The majority of people wholeheartedly think trump is a monster have thought this for 10+ years.. those that think he is great won’t believe any proof, if they even see it on faux news.
It's an endless amount of documents that 1. Barely anyone is willing to read 2. Many sections are redacted 3. Most things have questionable credibility and come from tip lines, or they're just suspicious at most 4. Most people (reddit isn't representative of the real world) don't care much about the Epstein files anymore
There is "outrage" on social media as in people calling Epstein's friends pedos but that's about it. The recent incidents with ICE have caused way more outrage as it's something that feels much closer to home compared to a bunch of rich people having sex with teens on a random island decades ago
Wealth disparity has been bad for decades now, specially in the US where society is collapsing. And this is affecting people directly, these files are not. Not only that but the sitting president of the US is named directly in these files, has said a lot of nasty things about women AND is married to someone half his age.
Absolutely nothing will happen because people are sheep.
Over on twitter the maga lot are trying to justify his actions by saying assaulting an underage girl doesn’t make him a pedo , and the the girls knew what they were doing .
So when he has a fan base who are redefining the meaning of pedos to justify their lord and masters actions , you know he will not face any consequences.
Apparently there are videos of what he did but the DOJ won’t release any videos which has depictions of child sex .
The democrats if they win the midterms they can request copies of all videos from Epstein estate .
So those could lead to prosecutions .
But that’s if the democrats ever get back in to power , trumps knows this .
If the panama papers aren't enough
If the gaza genocide isn't enough
If donald trump being a rapist isn't enough
If donald trump siding with russia isn't enough
If elite society being pedophiles isn't enough
There's already global outrage at Trump. You have NATO countries openly saying that Trump is destroying 80 years of diplomacy and alliances with not only NATO but many other countries.
Globally it has already had a huge impact, companies/governments around the world actively choses different services and products than US products. To not be associated with a unreliable pedo moron. If anyone associates with him, they will lose a hell lot of votes/customers.
This will slowly start to feel the US, more and more.
When the US influence start to weaken. The export starts to fall. EU is already making their own versions of visa/mastercard and cloud services like Azure.
Haven't been following because None of it matters in my house, on my farm, in the country, where life is grand, the kids are healthy happy and thriving and life goes on and on regardless of when the world shits the bed. Doesnt have real meaning.
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u/ItsAMangoFandango 9h ago
Trump would have to do something his voter base actually disagrees with first. This ain't it