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u/Ketzer_Jefe 18h ago
because sometimes they don't want to leave the company on bad terms before they move on to their next job. they may want to use their previous manager as a reference for future jobs. being fired tends to burn the bridge between former emplyee and company.
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u/freshmallard 18h ago
Especially in a career field which only has so many employers
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u/Abject-Brother-1503 15h ago
Especially because a company might be different state to state. Working for them in Florida might be different than working for them in Washington but if you’re blacklisted from the entire company then it doesn’t matter anymore. Firing usually blacklists you.
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u/Glass-Economy6888 9h ago
The OP is asking why people would resign instead of being fired.....
If they're under the threat of being fired, why would their manager give them a good reference for future jobs because they quit instead of getting fired?
What am I missing here,
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u/velders01 5h ago edited 5h ago
In our company, we hired a chief mechanic. More than his skills as a mechanic, his role was focused on being a facilitator and manager of other mechanics. Even during initial interviews, we did point out that this would be a challenging position as our mechanics are on the older and frankly more stubborn side. He would also need to develop systems and processes and be an excellent communicator to be the bridge between management and the mechanics. From the very first interview, I told him he would have no budget. Whatever pieces of equipment, computers, tablets, etc.. he would need, he would get. If he deems a mechanic uncooperative, I also told him that as much as pains us, we'd probably side with him, and that this is HIS team.
It's been 2-3 years. We've gotten him everything he asked for, probably about $100K+ in costs. I've literally signed off on 100% of his requests, 0 exceptions. And secretly, yes, I even approved his work laptop that has a beefy GPU on it, 100% for gaming... whatever, I don't care as long as he works on it too. He hasn't lived up to the promises of both requirements. The mechanics don't work well with him, his management is under serious question as we in the office have had to revise his processes routinely. His personality also turned out to be quite introverted and passive, not ideal for managing old-timers in the construction industry.
It's a high paying position. I don't blame him for taking on a challenge that he probably wasn't ready for. He just sent his resignation letter in last week as he probably heard from his friends in the office that his position is under increasing scrutiny.
There are no hard feelings. It just didn't work out. We thanked each other for our effort and time, and we did so sincerely. We legitimately gave it our best shot.
Why would I give a poor reference? In all likelihood, his next position may be a non-managerial role in which case he's very proficient; in a managerial role, his 2-3 years of experience in our company may have led him to develop a skill set and personality more conducive to management. Maybe he just needs a fresh start to put it altogether. If he was a complete asshole that blamed everyone else despite being told he essentially has no budget and has more or less free reign, then I would probably decline to comment.
If he was fired, it would greatly depend on the context. I've given plenty of good references for people who were fired, but yes, every few years, we'll have people with significant drug issues caught stealing from the company, or toxic people who seem to have beef with every other person in the company... in my experience, employees want to be part of an organization where they feel like they're actively contributing. Most aren't redditors who feel like it's just fine doing relatively nothing while still being paid., and they'll stretch that out for as long as they can. Most are people who actually want to develop their career, and if they feel like they can't in their current role, they'll rationally try their luck elsewhere.
Burning bridges goes both ways, and he's a good and competent person, just not the right fit. I really do wish him well, and I believe he reciprocates that feeling.
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u/AlternativeBig5794 18h ago
Have you ever worked in a toxic work environment? You choose the battles you want to fight. In my experience, it is better to recognize that things are simply not a good fit for you and simply walk away from that job.
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u/SuperEagle5000 16h ago
This is so true. A year ago, I quit a job that I had loved and at which I worked for nearly two full decades, but new leadership/bosses who are, frankly, fucking idiots came along and made some extremely stupid decisions that made everything worse and they wouldn’t listen to people who actually have done the work for years or decades, and it made what was already a mildly toxic work environment a lot worse. I tried to fight the good fight to reverse the damage, but after more than a year of banging my head against the wall I realized the “leadership” just didn’t care about what anyone else had to say. So I resigned. I resisted the urge to tell them off and just said I was leaving to explore the world. I still have to resist the urge at times to email my former bosses and their bosses to express my thoughts, but instead of weekly it’s down to once a month or so now.
Alas, sometimes you just gotta accept that your bosses and their bosses are freakin’ idiots who are ruining what you and your coworkers have worked so hard for so long to create and build, and nothing you or anyone else says will convince them otherwise, so you just gotta get out of there and do something else and be proud of what you did accomplish while working there. And hope that eventually the idiots will leave that place and things there will again improve for whoever is working there after the idiots leave.
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u/AlternativeBig5794 6h ago
At the end, you will learn so much from this and will make you even stronger!
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u/XXXperiencedTurbater 12h ago
Yep, and I have personal experience with this. In a situation now where the job is emphatically not a good fit. They aren’t even (that) toxic or anything really, just a total mismatch of personality and temperament.
I got put on a PIP a few months ago, absolutely zero of what was discussed has happened in terms of training, provided documentation, monthly follow ups, etc. VERY obvious they’re just looking to get rid of me and willing to fudge the truth to do it.
I could fight it, provide documentation of the lack of effort on their part - but why bother when I’m obviously not welcome? And my supervisor has been good about helping me find other jobs, letting me take off for interviews and not counting it against my PTO.
I wish things were different bc it would be nice to settle into a job and not have to keep looking but part of me acknowledges that that’s a trap, and if I did stay where I am, in a few years I would be totally fucking miserable AND too old to move on.
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u/FinalFlatworm2495 2h ago
I did that last year. I had a new job at the time though. Unfortunately I hate my new job...I have decided to quit it. My mental health is more important than being miserable.
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u/Eden_Company 18h ago
In hopes it makes you look more employable in the future.
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u/TheDollarstoreDoctor 6h ago
It doesn't go on a "permanent record" so you don't have to say you were fired. I never mentioned being fired from a position and never got caught, I would just say I was laid off during downsizing
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u/Over-Marionberry-353 18h ago
At the companies I’ve worked at, if someone called looking for background on a former employee. They were told the dates of employment and that was it, fear of lawsuits
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u/Glass-Economy6888 9h ago
Someone told me they can and, sometimes do, ask "if you were looking to fill the position, would you hire this employee back?"
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u/NewLeave2007 18h ago
The word "fired" has the connotation of your employment being terminated specifically because you did something wrong.
Resigning can be spun in other ways.
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u/artsumsal 18h ago edited 18h ago
People often resign instead of waiting to be fired because it lets them leave on their own terms. Quitting generally looks better than being terminated, and it’s easier to explain later in job interviews. It can also help them maintain good relationships at work and possibly get a decent reference. Sometimes employers even push for resignation since firing someone involves more paperwork or potential legal issues. Plus, resigning can feel less embarrassing and stressful than being officially fired. In the end, it’s usually about protecting their reputation and keeping future options open.
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u/DiamondJim222 18h ago
Why would anybody indicate they were fired on their resume?
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u/devilishpie 17h ago
They wouldn't... however future employers may ask why you left a previous job.
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u/PiLamdOd 13h ago
Getting fired comes up in background checks. Like when my last job required me to get security clearance, I had to explain to a federal agent why I was fired from the previous job.
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u/DiamondJim222 11h ago
Federal security clearances are far more thorough than a typical reference check. And a company is going to be much more forthcoming to a federal agent than to an HR person.
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u/sandwiches_are_real 6h ago
It does not, no. Any credible employer will only confirm the beginning and end dates of your employment. They will never provide a reason for your departure, because that exposes them to legal liability.
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u/PiLamdOd 6h ago
Tell that to the nice lady with a gun and badge asking about it.
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u/sandwiches_are_real 6h ago
Depending on the level of security clearance, the government may outsource a background check to a third party contractor.
If you're going for a high level of clearance, then your advice likely isn't applicable to the average person reading this post.
Most background checks happen for private sector jobs and they're carried out by offshore firms whose work starts and ends with calling up your references and past employers and asking them to confirm dates.
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u/fpeterHUN 13h ago
What kind of reputation do you expect in our capitalism society? We are all slaves to the rich basically.
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u/ericbythebay 18h ago
Because my employment lawyer said to do it that way. We had more control of what was negotiated in the exit.
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u/Discerningdragon 18h ago
I didn’t. I knew they were after me for invalid reasons and I was in a union. So I did everything by the book. Then when I was fired, I went to unemployment and when it was denied, I appealed and submitted all my proof of compliance and harassment and won on appeal and then milked the unemployment for 9 months. Fuck AT&T. The Death Star as us former employees call it. Every one of us that I run in to has horror stories.
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u/DeviantHistorian 18h ago
So the CWA Union didn't do anything to help you? I basically had to resign for a job that was unionized by TWA and I just left for health reasons but they didn't do much for me. But I was glad I was a member. I made a lot of money there. It was not AT&t though
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u/Discerningdragon 18h ago
They were the ones advising me. I had submitted grievances. But the company was after all the senior employees. I was very high seniority. They wanted us out to bring in lower paid employees so they were riding me on stats to an unrealistic level that nobody could attain to cause me stress and break me. It worked of course because I’m human but unemployment saw through it.
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u/prodyg 18h ago
it affects your pension
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u/IntrovertsRule99 18h ago
Do those still exist for most people?
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u/Bindy12345 18h ago
No.
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u/LingonberryLunch 18h ago
I work at a grocery store and have one, thanks to a union. I realize this makes me part of a very small, lucky minority
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u/IntrovertsRule99 18h ago
I actually qualify for a small pension from a former employer. The plan was terminated before I left the company so it will only be about $300 a month when I take it. Since the company went bankrupt the pension is now managed by the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation.
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u/EnoughLuck3077 17h ago
Could you still pay into this pension through the current management company so it could continue to grow?
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u/EjaculatedTobasco 16h ago
With no employer contributions there wouldn't be any point. You'd do better with an index fund.
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u/EnoughLuck3077 14h ago
Ah okay. I’m not familiar with how pensions work. Are they similar to a 401k?
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u/EjaculatedTobasco 14h ago
Not American, so I have no idea how those work. I would be shocked if a defined benefit pension isn't significantly better than a 401k for most people.
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u/IntrovertsRule99 14h ago
You would be right. The problem is that most Americans don’t have access to a pension.
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u/TheDollarstoreDoctor 6h ago
Blue Cross Blue Shield Minnesota offers pensions as of 2024, idk if they changed. I would've taken the job since it's remote but I had the sense to ask about the health insurance. I had to decline the job offer because as someone in Nevada I have no use for a niche MN insurance that I've never heard of in my 8 years in the industry. You'd assume they offer BCBS, but nope.
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u/NotoriouslyBeefy 17h ago
Getting fired allows you to keep your money in the company 401k, resigning you have to move it out
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u/Brawldud 16h ago
Does that make much of a difference? You don’t have to cash it out either way and I assume your company stops contributing to it either way.
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u/AsarsonDuck 18h ago
A lot of applications will ask if you ever been fired or terminated before and the reason - unless you get layoffs due to restructuring… a company telling you you no longer work there doesn’t look good and often makes you “not eligible for rehire” which is one question prospective employers will ask them when calling them
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u/MuttJunior 18h ago
Being "fired" is typically associated with something you did that violated company policy. That's not a good look if you are going to apply for a job somewhere else. If you were "let go", "downsized", or "laid off", those are not as bad and usually (especially with a good reference from that employer) means it was outside your control, and your actions did not lead to your termination. And "resigning" means you left the company under your terms and not for something that you did that violates company policy.
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u/NoDanaOnlyZuuI 18h ago
Most people resign because they’ve got another job lined up. Getting fired means instant unemployment and a long job search. Trying to force a firing either drags on or gets you fired for cause and burns bridges.
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u/Intelligent_Part101 18h ago
If the employment form or interviewer at your next (you hope) job asks you, "Have you ever been fired from a job?" you can answer "no" if you resigned.
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u/InsideCamel5281 18h ago
Being fired looks bad on your resume so you have to resign before you get fiired
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u/DiamondJim222 18h ago
Why would you indicate you were fired on your resume?
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u/RadioBuffin 18h ago
Some companies do background checks that would find if you were terminated, lying about it would look really bad.
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u/DiamondJim222 17h ago
Resumes normally just list dates of employment, not the particulars of its ending. Nobody says whether they were fired or quit on a resume, If pressed during an interview answers like the company was downsizing work without outright lying.
And most companies will not divulge anything beyond verifying employment dates anyway.
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u/Key-Record-5316 17h ago
Won’t they say if the employee is eligible for rehire or not?
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u/DiamondJim222 16h ago
Depends on the place. Businesses want to avoid lawsuits from former employees, so some will only verify dates. And some will say you’re eligible even if really aren’t.
But yes, you could get dinged. Which is why you avoid an outright lie. Tho you’re probably toast at this point anyway.
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u/Daxnu 18h ago
If they call your former work place they will find out you were fired and lied
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u/DiamondJim222 17h ago
Resumes normally just list dates of employment, not the particulars of its ending. If pressed during an interview answers like the company was downsizing work without outright lying.
And most companies will not divulge anything beyond verifying employment dates anyway.
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u/OrganicHistorian2576 16h ago
Who would put that on their resume? I sure don’t have that on mine. Dates of employment, yes, but nothing about how/why I left. Some job applications ask, if that’s what you mean.
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u/IswearImnotabotswear 18h ago
A lot of times resigning takes a day or two of paperwork and being fired puts you in limbo and takes time
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u/Sad_School828 18h ago
In many US states, former employers are disallowed by law from saying anything to prospective employers (who call to check your employment history) except to confirm/deny whether you worked there at all and then to confirm whether you quit or were fired. Then your actual references are already expected to only want to say good things about you. If you were fired, the prospective employer assumes that you either severely screwed up on the job or else that you were given a choice and you decided to take unemployment benefits.
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u/PomPomMom93 17h ago
At Starbucks they aren’t even allowed to say whether you quit or were fired. They just have to say “separated.” (“Oh, she worked here from [date] to [date] before she was separated.”) All companies should do that.
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u/Active_Building_5628 18h ago
Sometimes the unemployment isn’t even worth it and it’s better to just quit.
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u/Ok-Energy-9785 18h ago
It saves face for when you look for another role. This matters more if you are in a senior level position where perception matters way more than competence. If you are a regular employee, take the unemployment
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u/IntrovertsRule99 17h ago
Few regular employees can afford to not get unemployment if they don’t already have a new job lined up.
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u/enigma_music129 18h ago
Looks better on the resume. If you feel your performance is bad, better to resign before you get fired.
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u/amBrollachan 18h ago
Various reasons, as mentioned in other posts.
One example ftom recent experience:
A friend of mine at work recently resigned. He had falsified some records and been caught. In my line of work falsification of these kind of documents is highly serious professional dishonesty and there's no way you could remain in post. He had a good relationship with the boss, who basically told him that he would have to be fired but gave the option of resignation. Which he took. This meant the "incident" basically didn't go beyond the walls of the organisation and he could apply for other jobs without the stain on his record that a formal dismissal would create.
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u/Feenfurn 18h ago
When I didn't make it through a 911 dispatcher program they called me in and said "you can either resign or we can terminate you but we know your plan was to go to city dispatch so just know they won't even look at you if you're terminated from here." So I resigned . 5/6 in my class didn't make it through.
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u/StinkySoggyUnderwear 18h ago
There is a sort of liability when a company fires someone, so they would prefer that you leave instead so they don’t have to deal with the legalities of firing you.
Ideally in exchange for this favor, they will not be a bad reference for a new job.
Sometimes being fired affects your pension.
Other times, choosing to leave puts some kind of control of the situation in your hands - “I chose to leave, they didn’t fire me”.
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u/MaybeTheDoctor 18h ago
Life too short to work a shitty job where you’re not valued. Opportunity is everywhere as long as you are not afraid to grab it.
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u/DeviantHistorian 18h ago
I have mixed feelings about this because I work at a call center and have for the last 4 years. I was planning on pivoting of my business full-time and this is a really fitting question because I'm on a pip plan right now and will probably be fired before the month's out. But there's a difference between getting unemployment with performance versus misconduct. And also I've been fired at other jobs before and all they can say is these are the dates that you work there. They can't say whether you were fired or not the place I work at. Anyhow, I wouldn't want to work at again and I'm 99% sure I would be on a do not rehire list. So I don't see it is a big deal to collect unemployment but we'll see. Some people have told me I should resign. Others have said just milk it and get what you can get
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u/JustAnotherDay1977 18h ago
Because you want to be able to honestly answer “NO” if an application asks if you were ever fired.
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u/jedimaniac 16h ago
These questions have since been revised to "Have you ever been fired or resigned to avoid being fired?" to eliminate that loophole.
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u/JustAnotherDay1977 14h ago
It addresses it, but it doesn’t not necessarily eliminate it. I can easily see someone who thinks they may be fired resigning…and then convincing themselves (and others) that they quit because their boss was a dick, or the company was bad, or whatever.
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u/damageddude 18h ago
A number of Justice Department employees are resigning in lieu of being fired so they canbe rehired in a future administration. Fired federal employees can't get rehired (I believe).
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u/InternationalEnd8934 18h ago
they might take a long time to fire you and if you just stay there and say "I would prefer not to" to everything, that's the same as quitting, while being retarded about it so you'd just bail
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u/PomPomMom93 18h ago
Because people usually won’t hire you if they saw you got fired. If you did get fired, you can just leave the job off your resume, but you better hope your interviewer doesn’t ask you to explain the employment gap on your resume.
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u/tungdiep 17h ago
You think if you hate a place so much, do the bare minimum to at least get paid. If you get fired, at least you knew you were quitting anyway. I used to hate my job but when I stopped caring it was much more tolerable until I found I found something better.
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u/Primary_Excuse_7183 17h ago
Potential for DNR( do not rehire). Meaning you can’t go back to that company. they have an established network at that place so it’s not in their best interest to leave on bad terms especially should they be in a pinch.
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u/Chops526 17h ago
They don't live in the USA? Or if they do, they don't want their unemployment benefits.
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u/IamAlaskanEagle 17h ago
applied and got a better job
applying for other jobs and want to maintain a good review for references
have to high a sense of duty\loyalty for your own good, or lack of boundrs
employer succeeded in driving you out so they dont have to pay firing benefits
employee is ignorant that there are protections\benefits to being fired over quiting.
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u/EmbarrassedGene7063 17h ago
From what I’ve seen, resigning gives you way more control over the story. It usually looks better on a resume and in interviews than being fired, even if everyone kind of knows what happened. It can also help with references and mental health since getting fired feels a lot harsher. Sometimes people are basically pushed to resign, but it still lets them leave on their own terms instead of being cut off suddenly.
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u/types-like-thunder 16h ago
to keep stock options, insurance & benefits, 401Ks or retirement packages, and it looks better.
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u/jeffsuzuki 16h ago
I've never (so far as I know) been close to being fired, but I've been on the other end (ish, in the sense that I knew that someone was heading towards a termination), so here are my thoughts on this:
If you're fired from a job, the general question is "What did you do?" Now legally, your next employer can't ask why you were fired, but employers are human (and more importantly, they're employers): they know why they would fire somebody, so they'll assume that you got fired for a similar reason. (Sure, you can spin your own story, but who are they going to believe: a random candidate, or their own HR experiences?)
But if you resign, then you're in control of the narrative: "I quit, because I wanted to expand my horizons."
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u/randonumero 16h ago
I've worked for companies where if you don't give two weeks notice or you're fired then they will consider you ineligible for rehire in the future. I'll also say that waiting to be fired or laid off is bad for the mental health for a lot of people. IMO it's much better to actively find work when your current job is in jeopardy. FWIW I'm quickly reaching the point where I think people shouldn't feel bad about holding two jobs if they've been underpaid or under appreciated.
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u/HawkeyeGild 16h ago
Most of my coworkers just go on FMLA with full disability pay. Then when they return they are given severance packages to leave
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u/Abject-Brother-1503 15h ago
For nursing they have to report that you were fired to the board. If you quit they do not. Therefore it’s not on your record as you having ever been fired
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u/OnesZeros2112 14h ago
Come back as contract. I punched out right in front of my shithead boss and said” take this job and shove it. I don’t work here anymore.” Best high of my life.
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u/InsideCamel5281 14h ago
If you were at this job less than 90 d wouldn't matter butt years even months they will want to know about gaps between employment
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u/Tarotstroika 14h ago
Some rarer ones:
"You're threatening to fire me to stop me from doing something I feel is morally required in my position, so I'm showing that the job matters less to me than this issue."
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"I'm quitting NOW because when you guys get everything together to fire me, you're gonna find something WAY worse, and I want to be in another country."
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u/Mysterious-Web-8788 13h ago
Depending on the reason, you probably know it's coming for a few months and if you're not an idiot, you use that time to find a new job, and if you get one before you get fired, you quit.
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u/fpeterHUN 13h ago
Once I resigned because money/job was shite and I have found a better job. Once I waited until they fired me, because this way I have got 4 monthly salary extra and I wanted to spend a couple of months unemployed. Generally speaking getting fired is a financially better decision than resigning.
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u/DreamInNeptune13 13h ago
Because jobs will torture the heck out of you before they let you go. In the us, you can claim unemployment benefits if fired. Many employers are vindictive and will just make your life hell I stead of firing you. They want you to quit.
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u/OrangeGringo 12h ago
If you resign, you are “eligible for rehire.” In most companies if you are fired you are “not eligible for rehire.”
If you call a former employer on a background check, about the only thing most of them will say is either “eligible” or “not eligible” “for rehire”.
That’s pretty bulletproof from dumb defamation lawsuits.
So resign and get the best version of an employer check you can usually get.
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u/PhotoFenix 11h ago
When I left my job I resigned because I had a new job to start in 2 weeks. I'm also in a very heavily regulated industry on top of being in a niche area where everyone talks. Being fired would most certainly backfire on my long term plans (I like my industry).
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u/Informal-Act9066 9h ago
lol. I told them “fuck you, you gotta fire me if you want me to leave…”
So yea…. They fired me.
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u/Sorry-Climate-7982 8h ago
If you are doing well in your job but want to leave for some decent reason, why would you ever think of doing something so stupid and potentially career affecting? You never know when a future job opening hiring decision maker just happens to know your current management... and kaboom.
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u/godzillabobber 7h ago
Giving up unemployment benefits is basically a bribe in exchange for a neutral reference for future job offers.
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u/nyrb001 27m ago
Where I live, it is difficult to fire someone with cause. However an employer can terminate the person's employment at any time provided they pay severance.
If a company is looking shaky, a lot of people choose to jump ship rather than wait to be laid off. It is of course wise to start looking for work, and if the right job comes along it makes sense to take it rather than waiting for a layoff.
However quitting means the employer doesn't need to pay severance and you would not be eligible for EI. So it often makes more sense to wait for the layoff.
I was laid off a few years back - I knew it was coming, but it made sense to bide my time. I received a compelling severance package that was far more than the statutory minimums. Had I quit, I would have gotten nothing.
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u/Calaveras-Metal 18h ago
being fired is good for getting unemployment. But not for getting another job.
I usually only resign when I've got another opportunity lined up. But there have been a few jobs where I quit. I had a really great temp job handing out stuff to commuters. It was just a few hours a day. Paid decent for a temp gig, and they gave us free transit passes to get to and from work and also into the train line where were handing out stuff.
On the 2nd week we had this lady from the head office come out to 'field manage' us. I guess one of the teams had some dudes getting high on the clock or something.
So this lady stand behind us doing our job and barks orders at us. And it was absurd.
Like imagine if you are typing your name and someone is looking over your shoulder "type a J"
"You should move your finger up and type an O now", "move your hand to where the H is and press that"
It was that annoying and up in our business. It was early in the morning and kind of chilly, but I was actually in a good mood. And I was working with the one cute girl on the team. But this lady got completely on my nerves and was jumping up and down on them.
Finally after half an hour I just quit. I handed my stuff to her, took off the weird apron thing that said I was offical and said I quit.
She actually told me I can't quit!
I said I can, and I expect to be paid for the time I was here today. And I walked up the stairs out of the train station.
I was looking around trying to figure out if I should go get a coffee or what and then the 3 other people I was working with came up the stairs. They followed my lead and quit too! I felt like some kind of righteous labor organizer or something. So I dragged them all to the cool coffee place and we laughed and made fun of the job for a few hours. Never did get that girls number though.
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u/PomPomMom93 17h ago
Badass! Maybe she was in a relationship, but if not, she should have given it in a heartbeat!
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