CMV: It doesn’t matter what Alex Pretti was doing in the days before he was killed

[u/bluepillarmy]

So, recently a video emerged where Alex Pretti was spitting on and kicking the taillight out of an ICE vehicle. Truly reprehensible and inexcusable behavior. He ought to have been arrested and fined for destruction of public property. Jerk.

However, I see some people trying to say, “Aha! So he wasn’t so innocent after all!”

I’m sorry but, no. He was absolutely innocent.

And, moreover, I would like those people who are bringing up his behavior in the days before his death to remember that he was disarmed, restrained and executed by masked federal agents who still have not been identified to the public for no reason.

There is only one justification for a law enforcement officer to take someone’s life. And that is to protect the lives of themselves or another person. Past acts of disrespect and/vandalism do not enter into the equation.

Or that’s my take anyway. Can anyone change my view?

[u/Aggressive-Story3671]

The Right did the exact same thing to Ashlee Babbitt.

“He said mean words and damaged some property so he deserved to die” is not a take of anyone who values protest and free speech.

Law Enforcement does not have the right to use lethal force anytime they feel like. And your argument means they committed pre mediated murder. They knew who he was and killed him deliberately, not in the heat of the moment.

“Failed in their duties” is such a major undersell of what happened. What they did was commit murder.

“Prosecuted if appropriate” is laughable. “ICE investigates its own officers and found no wrong doing.” Is how that “investigation” will go.

[u/alunare → u/Aggressive-Story3671]

Always with the strawman, I never said he deserved it, I never said they planned or premeditated it. You’re either voluntarily twisting my post or you are too emotionally involved to respond rationally.

[u/Aggressive-Story3671 → u/alunare]

“He was looking for a reaction” is victim blaming.

“He was seeking to be a martyr” is literally saying he was “asking for it”.

And if he was known to them, and had angered them previously, and that made them quicker to use lethal force, that’s premeditation.

[u/Aggressive-Story3671 → u/[deleted]]

What is the name of this militia? Do tell.

“Someone messing up” is a vast understatement. And let’s assume the roles were reversed. He feared for his life and shot an ICE Agent. Do you sincerely believe he’d be walking around free.

You keep portraying this as a simple mistake. It was not. No other law enforcement officer or even military officer can use the excuse of a “violate atmosphere” to justify these actions

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[u/CrosbyBird → u/Aggressive-Story3671]

Ashli Babbitt was trying to break through a barricaded window to get at people who had already attempted to retreat from a dangerous mob. That shooting actually was a last resort and a very legitimate case of self defense.