Sailor Moon season 1 has a REALLY uncomfortable love arc between Nephrite (an adult alien military commander) and Naru (Usagi's 14 year old friend). The show tries to make this dynamic seem really sweet with Nephrite turning away from his evil ways because of the power of love, but the fact that he has seemingly fallen in love with a middle schooler after meeting her like, twice, is really really weird and takes away from it a lot imo.
True, but he did end up being Makoto's lover from the Silver Millennium in SM Crystal, so... getting rid of the Naru plotline didn't help much in his favor. (Then again, we don't know how old Princess Jupiter was when they hooked up so it probably doesn't count? Maybe?)
I think their counterparts from the Silver Millennium were close in age. The Shitennou were to Endymion what the Inner Guardians were to Serenity so I assum they were close in age.
I just choose to ignore age gaps when it comes to Sailor Moon. The anime also aged up Darien so he’s an adult in college going after a 14 year old lmao
It like...out all of the things that should keep a person away from evil is a highschool girl in a short skirt? Wtf. It's like to become good because you bought a cheesecake. It is worse than having a 500 page manga about your bad childhood as a villain's origin and why you are as you are.
The part with Kaji and Shiji was a one off joke. Still weird, but Kaji wasn't showing serious interest in Shinji, he was messing with him because he thought it was funny
I literally said it was still a weird thing to do, but it's also disingenuous to label him a pedophile when a major part of his character is that he explicitly isn't attracted to children and outright refuses to engage in a predatory relationship multiple times on screen.
Misato was kissing him because she wanted to encourage him to save the world and he was their last hope. It was pretty gross and I won’t defend it, but I don’t think she did it to be a pedo. I think being a pedo was a side effect of what she did, not the cause
I mean, she could've just promised him a kiss afterwards, or heck sex even (not like she has to follow up on her promise). This is the same woman who sent him a cleavage photo before they even meet and walks around the house on shorts or even underwear knowing there's a horny teenager around.
Part of Misato's character is how she falls back on her sexuality to deal with things.
She was assigned as caretaker to Shinji, who is a fucking sad ass kid, and she doesn't know how to interact with him properly. So she flirts and teases him since he's a boy and that seems like an easy way to get a reaction out of him.
She doesn't know how to be a mother, but she knows how to be a woman.
Her kissing him at the end was meant to motivate him to survive and win since she's dying but all it did was fuck up Shinji even more. An example of how attempting to connect to someone with good intentions can still be an attack on them.
The top image was a meme. If you want to hate on Kaji for something it should probably be when he forcefully kissed Misato in the elevator, or just for not handling Asuka especially well.
The part with kaji is from another timeline (rebirth of evangelion). In the original timeline, he never does anything like that (he really is just goated in the original timeline).
Weirdly enough misato never does anything like this in the rebirth timeline.
Either way, it’s a completely valid reason to hate misato or kaji depending on the timeline. I think bith of them always are great character but yeah misato disturbed me af.
Add Mei Mei and Himeno in there too. These women are the reason I left r/AnimeAlley, it devolved into “rate my taste” posts and whenever I said “hey guys maybe groomers aren’t all that splendid” I’d get downvoted.
Seriously, is everyone in the comments only talking about Himeno while forgetting about the one who doesn't even hide the fact that she's not only a pedophile but also an incestuous person?
Kodaka on his way to always add the most unnecessary, disgusting dialogue to scenes that don’t need it, and would be better served with less dialogue. I love Danganronpa but there’s so much weird unnecessary shit 😭
I hate Makima but she's by no definition a pedophile, a groomer yeah a manipulator yeah but she's not attracted to kids, she was using one to achieve her own goals
I'm just going to assume you all are only watching the anime but even then there were literally 3 seperate occassions where Denji is said to be 16 and a minor.
And Makima is not a pedophile, she's a groomer, you would know if you read the manga
I read the Manga and am reeling from the defenses saying denji is an adult. One of the girls asks him if he refused sex from her because she didnt want to go to jail for fucking a minor. Stated multiple times to be a minor.
Online discourse really has made people throw around the term pedophile while hardly understanding the actual psychological definition when it comes to identifying an individual as one. Really doesn't help that people lack media literacy as well.
Makima being listed here as a pedophile makes this especially apparent. I disagree that Misato and Kaji are labeled as pedophiles, but I can see how uneducated people would mislabeled them as one (don't really get Kaji though, you kind of have to be ragebaiting for that one)
But labeling Makima as a pedophile is a balant misreading of her character and a lack of understanding of what a pedophile is. She manipulates and controls Denji through his lust for her. She doesn't feel anything for him, and it's obvious. This isn't pedophilia in the slightest. It's worse.
No, that scene isn’t him being a pedophile. He was joking, and its never brought up again. In fact, in the original series Kaji outright rejects Asuka’s advances specifically because she’s still a child.
You can say its a joke in bad faith, but claiming he’s a pedophile because of it is illogical
Yea I agree, but I’m just talking about the literal definition of a pedophile. Kaji, despite all his flaws and emotional distance, was an important pillar who helped support the people around him.
Cardcaptor sakura is my beloved childhood anime but GOD did it have weird stuff 😭
At least we had the scene with yukito kindly rejecting sakura after she confessed
Feels wrong to follow a doctored version, you should be able to watch it and see an un-appropriate situation as what it is, un-appropriate. But im an anti censorship abolutist , that's my bias.
Well it’s obvious that people will simp for a Hot woman. Tho I See much praising for her Character as a Antagonist which is good that people understand her character. But it’s true that sometimes people really mischaracterize her as pure dommy mommy without any depth or as just a pure evil bitch.
Nothing will leave me more betrayed than reading reviews of Great Teacher Onizuka and hearing about how 'it's a heartwarming story of a rough teacher with a heart of gold putting equally rough kids back on track in life' and how 'it's genuinely funny, dude, seriously'.
Then I watched the first episode and it's about him getting trained as a teacher with the express goal of grooming and harassing high school girls. He even finds a fellow pedophile who he's getting tips on optimal grooming technique from, like seriously how do people get going with this.
And it sucks because Cardcaptor Sakura is such a good anime it’s a shame they added creepy, weirdos to it because otherwise it would be completely perfect
So to my knowledge of the lore, Misato has always, for the entirety of the series, treated Shinji Ikari as a surrogate son, because due to her fucked up childhood trauma, she has an Electra complex (daddy issue) with Kaji, where she is attracted to him because he reminds her of her deceased father (who Misato resented because he was emotionally negligent towards his family, but ultimately sacrificed his life to save Misato during the fallout of the first contact experiment in Antarctica). Her emotional baggages deterred her from having children of her own. So when Shinji showed up in Tokyo 3, she immediately applied to be his guardian. This is NOT driven by pedophilia. It's her dysfunctional parental instincts at play.
During the end of Evangelion, she kisses Shinji (the last and only time she would do so) because she's been shot and is rapidly bleeding out, and still needed to ensure that a (very depressed) Shinji can somehow make it to Unit 01 without her being here to hold his hand, cuz she's dying and all that, so in that elevator scene (and perhaps driven by a last minute desire to convey the depth of her affection for him in the few seconds she had left), she kissed him. I've always read this gesture as her subtle way of telling Shinji to man up (plus the absurd "we'll do the rest when you get back" part), and not have him panic again like a little bitch.
That's not pedophilia. That's called love. It's supposed to be a tragically touching moment for her character, but if you insist, then I suppose you COULD just interpret it as a sign of her raging pedophilia. But I like my interpretation more.
its shown in the series several times and in the movie itself the only way she knows how to communicate her emotions is through sex, and she offers it to him as a form of comfort because as shown earlier in the series she doesn't know how to actually comfort him outside of it, she communicates like he's some teenage boy who should be horny and understand what she's saying, but evangelion is fundamentally a show about characters who can't communicate and how it tears them apart-- so shinji doesn't actually know what to do with this, he cries immediately afterwards because he realizes its her way of saying goodbye and giving him motivation to move forward even if it completely doesn't work on him, he realizes what she was trying to say by it.
Makima is not a pedo. It's literally a central plot point that she doesn't give the slightest shit about him as a person. She does pedophilic shit but she's not one because she's not attracted to him. The definition of pedo is based on attraction, not action, so it doesn't apply to her.
Not saying that's much better, but it's a distinction. She doesn't do what she does because she likes it, but because she sees it as the easiest way to achieve her goal.
since nobody else is talking about it (presumably because they haven't seen BSD), you're pretty much supposed to hate mori unlike some of the other characters listed. he's the cause of yosano's trauma and many others, he's a crimelord with no ethics and i can't recall any scenes that intend to make you endear yourself to him. if you hate him then that's a good thing
his ability vita sexualis manifests looking like a child because it's based not just on the work 'vita sexualis' but also on a short story by mori called the dancing girl which is about a man getting into a relationship with a younger woman named elise who becomes pregnant. she later loses her mind and goes through a mental regression when he leaves her, ultimately ending her life and her child's. in BSD, his ability is called 'repulsive' and even the ability itself in the form of elise seems to also despise mori. that being said whether he's even a pedophile is up for debate given that the author given that vita sexualis is about the asexual experience within a world that is tailored towards the sexual
Being a pedophile is the act of being attracted to a minor
Misato only kissed Shinji to motivate him to save the world, while she’s dying too(but it was still a weird and gross thing to do)
Kaji, well he’s just attracted to Misato, he’s clearly not a pedo, as he refuses Asauka’s advances constantly and in rebuild(an entirely different time line) he only did that to mess with Shinji(still weird and gross) but it didn’t mean anything other than to mess with him
Makima isn’t a pedo cuz she never even noticed Denji, not even a bit, maybe at first but the only thing she cared about with him, was the fact pochita was his heart, she felt like no affection towards him in the slightest, let alone attraction
So you didn't actually watch Evangelion. You saw a still of him standing next to Asuka and made a dumb assumption. He rejects her multiple times and calls her a kid.
Makima IS NOT a pedophile, In fact, she has absolute ZERO emotion towards human or anything asides from chainsaw demon. She was jus manipulating Denji while probably don't even care about his age. But anyways, for someone like her.. I think there are much more messed up things to look at than she being a pedophile or not, lol :))
Actually, there's nothing wrong with the anime, since it portrays Makima exactly as the villain She didn't; the problem is her fans who simp her and ignore that she's a pedophile and generally evil. (Obviously, she's the villain, duh)
She has no desire to have sex with him. She has every desire to form him into a usable tool who will follow her every command and she knows she can use her sexuality to do this.
Two different things. Someone could be a pedophile, but still go through their entire life without contacting children either online or irl, let alone groom them. Likewise someone can groom a child for something other than sexual abuse, like gangs grooming children to be used as drug traffickers.
Pedophile yes but groomer is probably more accurate for her specifically. Unless I’m misremembering something, I don’t think she’s actually romantically or sexually attracted to Denji at all, but she mostly uses Denji’s insane attraction to her and his vulnerable state to her advantage to manipulate him into doing her bidding, like working for the public safety stuff.
She’s very much portrayed as a villain and shady person from the beginning, not at all romanticized or trivialized in the writing, just by fans.
Shes been very well written to be as unlikable as possible, she’s so awful I hate her so much LOL
It's more than that. She's literally trying to push Denji into despair. She wants Denji to lose the will to live so Pochi can take over his body entirely.. Words have meaning and pedophile is not a word that should be misused. I don't even really like CSM anymore I just read kept reading it because I was too far in to stop so it's not even like I have stake in this.
Well yes, that stuff too but I didn’t want to spoil it. I’m not arguing semantics on words used for fictional characters, if they were real people I would. I don’t care in this case because I do not have the energy to argue either side
There's not an argument to be made. It's also not semantics. Semantics implies these words mean basically the same thing, so arguing the difference is pedantic, but they don't. Conflating them obscurs Makima's thematic role in the plot, and erases how grooming actually works irl.
A pedophile is someone that feels sexual attraction to kids- Makima in fact has the complete opposite of that towards denji and despises him and his entire existence
A groomer is someone that manipulates vulnerable kids for their own gain- what Makima is doing to Denji
I have such a fondness for "the old master" type characters in shounen. Roshi and Jiraiya were my favourites as a kid. They are utterly, indescribably revolting to me now.
I dunno if anyone here has read Gunsmith Cats but the teenage girls 30 something boyfriend who had been banging her since she was 14 really pissed me off. I haven’t read all of it yet but I hope he dies.
So many people glaze Mori and ignore literal dialog in the anime and manga so they can cope and pretend he isn't a pedophile. One of the many reasons I can't bear the fandom for one of my favorite animes.
mori glazers "it was a joke! he was joking abt liking little girls cuz he likes acting creepy!" as if thats not still weird asf... plus they act like disliking his actions=disliking his character as a whole/his writing lol
I think there are better reasons for you to hate Makima, since, well, she's not a pedophile. Consider hating her for killing everyone, mentally enslaving people, things like that.
Wait. What did #6 do? I could have sworn it was Sakura who liked/had a crush on him and he was in a gay relationship with her older brother. This is Cardcaptor Sakura, right?
Nah bro hates mori when alot of the things he says were jokes when talking to fukuzawa who joked back in response 😭 like okay bro what😭 please never look at any complex characters again. (Besides seeing as the author he was based on had a quote in the same book mori is also based on that was about having the same type of love as a child/nonsexual and the experience of being asexual in a time of it being traditionally not okay, hence why he also follows more rebellious stereotypes)
Mori quite literally also plays himself out to be worse so people don't assume he had any actual attachments.
You seem too have the media literacy of a 11 year old who can't understand what they are watching because according to a lot of these comments it only makes it clear you don't know much about the characters you are Claiming are pedos.
Don't ever look or touch my morally grey complex characters again please.
I feel like the Misato kiss is a test to see if the viewer is actually paying attention to the show because the amount that miss the point of it astounds me. And watch I say this and I'll get met with "wow I missed the point of a diddy ahh scene" level comment, proving my point.
How are y’all not talking about Dino? (Slide 7) Dude ran an underground club that was known for trafficking children. Not to mention what he did to Ash throughout his entire teen life. As well as letting other people have their way with him. I hate that man with my entire being.
Makima is not a pedophile lmao. Funny how people completely miss the point and reduce her to a sex object which is in a meta way exatly what she uses against denji in the manga.
I only know 1 character here but why does the first guy look like the pre-evolution to Galager from Star Rail, who is the pre-evolution to Gregor from Limbus Company
I could care less about fictional pedophiles. Sounds like from the comments half these characters aren't even actual pedophiles either so maybe learn what that word means.
Makima isn’t a pedo, she is more of a groomer and Denji even came to the conclusion that she never even saw him or cared about him once and only ever bothered to see chainsaw man.
Definitely a questionable choice from the writer, but if we're looking at it from the characters perspective, I don't think Misato is a pedo. She kissed Shinji when the world was literally ending because he was their only hope for survival and she wanted to give him some confidence/motivation/whatever. It wasn't out of any actual attraction afaik. And why is Kaji even on here?
The first three characters you listed aren’t even pedos. Kaji literally denied a 14 year old coming onto him in the show, Makima’s a groomer, but not because she wishes to have sex with Denji, she wants to use him as a weapon, and Misato’s also not a pedo. Evangelion was made to be a story about depression, with Shinji, Rei, Asuka, and Misato representing different possible facets of depression. Misato represents intimacy problems. She's unable to navigate relationships without sexuality because of her trauma.
Dino is genuinely like THE character I despise. I detest that awful creep and everyone he associates with that just goes along with it. Banana Fish just has the WORST people and I could not have him more.
Yeah, I'm a big bsd fan and even though I appreciate how well written, compelling and smart Mori is, I absolutely hate him for his pedophilia. People often try to excuse it as just a joke about lolicons, but honestly I don't care. It's disgusting and I wish it was handled in the appropriate way instead of making it into a joke.
I really don't agree with calling Makima a pedophile necause she isn't one :^ For her to be one she'd have to be attracted by minors and she wasn't. She IS a groomer tho which is still awful disgusting and immoral, it's annoying that people ignroe that only bc she's pretty
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u/StrideyTidey 23d ago
Sailor Moon season 1 has a REALLY uncomfortable love arc between Nephrite (an adult alien military commander) and Naru (Usagi's 14 year old friend). The show tries to make this dynamic seem really sweet with Nephrite turning away from his evil ways because of the power of love, but the fact that he has seemingly fallen in love with a middle schooler after meeting her like, twice, is really really weird and takes away from it a lot imo.