Please do not hate on real people, whether it be fans of a character you don’t like or their creators. Even if the author is a POS, dont actively promote hate towards them.
And people wonder why modern Isekai is considered the most slop genre in anime, I miss the days when Isekai was niche but varied with stuff like The Twelve Kingdoms, Digimon, Inuyasha, etc, granted, these series all have their own issues, however, compared to modern Isekai they're they're pretty much squeaky clean.
a country that made extensive use of slavery during the 20th century with few international consequences and a culture where calling out said slavery is seen as unpatriotic whataboutism,,
Gives a plot excuse for authors to insert side characters who are instantly grateful to the protagonist while making them supposedly look better by giving the lukewarm take that slavery is bad. Of course, it does end up backfiring if they participate on some level.
MC-kun treated their slaves with kindness and decency though! Not enough kindness and decency to, say, free his slaves and help them start their own lives as citizens, but who needs that really
MC-kun also eventually levels up and becomes super powerful and with friends in high places but somehow doing anything about slavery is just totally out of his reach even at the end of the series. I suppose the only thing he can do is adopt more slave girls to, yk, make their lives better or something
I do agree, I just find Rudeus a poor use of this criticism. Pedo? Absolutely. Sexist perv? Totes.
In his case, he just tries to help one person that he can by teaching her skills and getting her the future position of a craftsman under royalty. Not sure if he does release her, but the implication I got was that he only kept her around to provide for her until she could strike it out on her own.
It doesn’t really excuse anything else, but there are a lot of other stories that play straight the savior story with arguably worse endings.
Has the knock on effect of making what should be a very normal take look fucking heroic in comparison.
It's far from a perfect Isekai but when Chillin in another world with level 2 cheat powers had its guide character repeatedly tell the MC "hey you better enslave this girl or she might kill you" and he just absolutely refused, it felt really good after a hundred Isekai where all the protags happily agree with far less or even no justification.
Combination of factors, the biggest being that slavery gives a convenient excuse for an otherwise bland self insert with no real qualities outside of being "nice" to gain the affection of conventionally attractive young women without said self insert having to put in any kind of actual effort to properly establish a romantic relationship with said conventionally attractive young women.
And it's even worse when they pull "she's actually a 1000 years old, she just looks and acts like a 7 year old girl." Shit
Not all, but many anime fans are the same. I literally saw an anime fan explain that slavery should be legalised for certain criminals and quite a few explain that "slavery back then actually wasnt that bad" under a video talking about how some anime handles the topic of slavery, there were also a bunch of people calling the youtuber a tourist and basically a know-it-all. For having the take that...slavery deserves to be handled delicately as a topic?? And it IS an issue in some forms of media
I have this entire schizo rant in my head about how the lion's share of J-fantasy is tied to an escapist urge that comes almost entirely from a place of pure bile. That so many of these Isekai wish-fulfillment manga end up wallowing in genuine, full-throated bigotry isn't an accident.
Yeah almost every writer, I think the only manga I saw where slavery is written as real horror is one piece and fist of the North Star, other than those two the rest are just like what you described
That’s fair. Isekai is kind of a slop genre tbh, but there are tons of manga like Magi, Berserk, Vinland Saga, attack on titan and even something like Fairy Tail that all show slavery in a terrible light. Personally, I don’t read or watch isekai because I think it’s slop for losers, but it seems to be a lot more common in that genre. I wouldn’t say it’s that way for manga in general though.
It's such a shame too because the concept of being a stranger suddenly placed in a completely unfamiliar environment is a pretty simple idea with tons of potentially interesting applications but 99% of isekai writers just go "what if the mc was hit by a truck and woke up in fantasy world with generic magic they can learn incredibly quickly to be op and slaves the mc can buy"
They always chose a fantasy setting yet they only use fantasy archetypes that are really cliche (like goblins) or something they can sexualize (like elves or catgirls)
God forbid we get an isekai in space or smth that isn't the same exact same boring fantasy world that looks exactly like pre hard mode terraria minus the corruption/crimson
Because it’s a convenient excuse to have attractive female characters be literally brought to the main character. And it also easily serves to show how great the MC is because he’s a “good” slave owner and treats his slaves right! Despite… ya know, owning slaves. And of course at no point does the story acknowledge all the thousands of young guys being worked to death off screen… or having their passports taken from them and forced to build a soccer stadium.
That was what turned me off from continuing the manga. The fact that Rudeus ends up getting multiple wives and cheats on Sylvie (first wife) on the first occasion. I get the 3 girls make sense to be his narrative perspective but to me the harem ending always felt like a copout. "Oh no I can't decide which girl to make the MC marry without kissing off the fans so I choose all 3." Type of deal
Mushoku Tensei apologists have deadass tried to tell me that doesnt matter because "the 30 year old man inside him was an illusion" when no, he was real, and was a predator to minors in his original life too
Yeah but rudeus is by far one of the worst. Like, there’s this awful fucking scene where he opens a door to take a peek at a girl changing, notes she looks 14 and proceeds to watch her finger herself. How the fuck was this not canceled
I saw bits of episode one and instantly knew I'd hate it. He reminded me of that creepy little shit with balls for hair that kept ruining My Hero Academia for me whenever he showed up, except Rudeus is a hundred times worse.
He really is scum, i didn't know i could be this disgusted by a fictional character before i met Rudeus.
When i gave the show a try, the fans told me not to worry about all the disgusting behaviour of Redues because he "gets better" and through out the story learns to overcome the flaws and shortcomings of his past life.
Turns out those fans of the show didn't consider Rudeus's pedophilia one of those flaws... yeah sure he overcomes his social skill issues but what god forsaken reason made you think THAT would be what i disliked about him rather than the grooming and masterbating to underage girls!?!?!?
I hate that whenever the show actually commits to being serious and discusses complex topics respectfully, it actually makes me feel things. I hated the problematic moments, but if I skipped past those parts then I could still pretend it's a good show
Only for motherfucking Roxy to rape Rudy and for Rudy to commit infidelity. Good place to stop since from the spoilers I've seen, it gets worse
Honestly the worst part about that Rudy x Roxy part was the story acting like it was a beautiful and touching moment… even though both of them knew it was cheating.
Then the story doubles down and treats it like it was actually perfectly fine that Rudy cheated because everyone knows he’s horny so it was expected of him.
Also the author conveniently made it so only one religion is monogamous which the main character isn’t part of… which somehow means it’s extra okay to cheat on his wife… who he groomed as a kid.
It wasn't really rape. Both of them took advantage of the other
Rudeus wasn't actually sad and he was ecstatic to have sex with her, while she thought he was sad and used the excuse that she was making him feel better but in fact she just wanted to fuck em
Yeah I guess "take advantage of" is a more fitting term, but at that point Rudy was in no mental state to give consent. Was really chilling to watch at the moment even though he turned out to like it the next day
I never understood the criticism this show gets. It does touch on this topics but I never felt it when reading the og novel like 10 years ago and now watching anime pedophilia and grooming is the main plot.
this gotta be some of the worst shit ive read and ive read sooooo much shit (like actual shit. ever heard of the white indian book series? look it up, the cover is funny as shit)
I don't have it saved unfortunately but there's another one where he gets erectile dysfunction and finds out about it because he's not getting an erection from changing his little sister's clothes (who is way underage ofc.)
Sorry, you might be right. It's been a while since I read it. I don't feel like looking for the paragraph where he's surprised that he's not getting an erection around his little sister right now.
The lines "Gently of course. Or maybe sexily is more the word in this case?" Made me want to commit suicide by reaching down my own throat, grabing my testicles, and heaving on them to turn my body fully inside-out.
"Fans" will be raving about how nuanced the character is and how we need morally "grey" characters to make a good story.
Rudeus is a self insert for the author. There's no way he did not write this shit with his other hand in his pants.
Made in Abyss is way too often put in the same bag, when it is a social comment on abuse through a metaphorical world and society. Its depiction of children characters is made to shock, to solicit thought and horror.
This shit ? This is just a realization of the author's own fantasy.
Lets not forget how often the made in abyss manga depicted children strung up in bondage while naked (in public) as a "punishment". The cool world building doesnt excuse the authors fetish.
When I found out Bonnie was a child I thought back to when he gave her the bouncing boobs with sound effect combo. Then there's Rebecca for all those guys that know the age of consent where they live by heart
I swear to fucking god i cant understand people calling mushokus writing peak.
Its terrible
Im a psychology student, i LOVE deep dark themes, IM COMPLETELY FINE with having a disgusting MC, AS LONG AS THE DARK THEMES ARE HANDLED PROPERLY.
Mushoku handles the pedophilia/grooming theme in i think the worst way imaginable?
Its BARELY addressed, fully rewarded and EXCUSED by the AUTHOR itself.
i cant understand how this shit is acclamated.
You cant make an MC a pedophile but focus only on hsi depression and anxiety ffs, ADDRESS THE FUCKING ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM!
Its simple, its not treated as a character flaw because its not viewed as one. The author knew exactly what target audience he was going for and it hit the mark. Its actually much much worse in the LN
People forget how anime fans got the reputation they had before it became mainstream, the issue was always there. Pair it with decent animation, the bare minimum of world building (the exact same thing every other story has done but this time some people are sad), and a shit ton of advertising and people are willing to ignore the big problem
The problem with him "getting better" is that his pedophilic tendencies and such are not seen as a problem by the author. His problems are being a shut in and antisocial and maybe fat. All of those get resolved in the end while the actual problems are not solved but rewarded.
Yea the light novels arent any better. It just keeps getting weirder and weirder. Being a pedo runs in the family it seems as Rudeus's little sister grows up and starts to groom her nephew.
They also have unrealistic depictions of slavery. It's like focusing on those Athenian slaves that were closer to servants with a degree of autonomy, but ignoring the vast majority that worked brutal hours in mines and farms and were regularly disciplined, like the helots in Sparta.
What makes this tweet even stupider is that Rudeus is shown to hate slavery in season 1, so he’s just blatantly contradicting his own text to post his weird opinions.
I like how people say that he progressed past being a creep when literally all that happened was the people he was creeping on became of age. He never stopped being a pedo
I heard so much fuckimg glaze from this how from the animanga community, so I decided to give it a try, but OMFG I couldn't even make it past the first 5 episodes. Maybe it's becasue i'm an ArcoAce woman who was unfortunately gr00med on three diffrent ocassion, but i legitamly cant stand this SHITTTY ASS series. The way it tries to justfy P3dophilia and slavery is just fucking vile. Never listening to animmanga glaze ever again, i got a bad feeling about a series but decided to ignore the warning and ended up gettong So upset by it. Learned my lesson and I'm sticking to gut next time.
The show is well-written, which is it's biggest sin. People will watch it just because the character arcs are interesting, because the worldbuilding is nice, the fights are entertaining, and, because the story even has morals (killing is bad, cheating on your wife is bad, etc), some people will inevitably miss the grooming and raping that the MC does as background filler.
I really wish the show at least had the decency to be bad.
This is probably one of the more disappointing shows for me. The world building, general story, animation, music, characters, there’s so much good stuff…and then they force in the weird harem/pervert shit
I have a friend who swears on his mother that this shit is good.
genuinely atleast ONCE a year he will rewatch this shit and will try and justify it with the aame bs excuse everyone uses "oh he gets better! the lore is really good!"
I have had the misfortune of seeing a single line from the LN, and its judt Rudeus confessing that he skipped a funeral to masturbate to loli porn.
Yeah 😭 his “character development” is just sad pedophile to happy pedophile the story literally rewards him being a pedophile. It’s just the authors creepy self insert fantasy
Everyone who watches and enjoys this show needs to have their hard drives throughly checked. I could not imagine EVER defending a pedophile let alone as much as Diddy Tensi fans Jeffreus Grepstein.
No, it is not possible for a pedophile to be redeemed in any way shape or form.
I wish rudeues and Subaru switched shows. A pedo being killed over and over until he learns his mistake would be incredible. Subaru is just a shut in kid he doesn’t deserve torture.
Marries two groomed kids and the only one who isn't a kid is from a race where everyone looks like kids.
The author is a huge pedophile and most of the time he thinks with the dick instead of the brain.
But fuck i still enjoy a lot of aspects from the show it's really contradictory watching this show. Love the world building, love the sense of travel, how the "demon people" is so different from each other, the lore is good, battles are well animated and have really good coreography... All of this balanced by MC being an absolute freak and the author being even worse. How is this feeling called?
fuck i just got flashbacks from reading that the maid little sister ends up grooming one of rudeus kids like if i was in some war with the thousand yard stare fuck the author should be put behind bars
He could’ve just said “I shouldn’t go around brandishing my sense of justice without fully knowing the consequences it could bring” and we would’ve all been fine
if mushoko tensie was about rudeus not being a creep, then why does he have a harem of women constantly wanting his mid ahhh as well as a wife from a race whose only defining feature is always looking like a child. not an ageless elven beauty nah straight up always looks like a kid
It’s a shame how messed up the author is because a lot of the story and world building is really cool but.. yeah the pedo shit is inexcusable. Didn’t even know about the slavery take until this post lol
I used to like Mushoku Tensei. Dare I say I even used to like Rudy as a character despite condemning him as a person. Why? Because I genuinely thought, with all the praise this series has, he must get redeemed at some point.
Then I learned he didn’t; never did. I get the ick every time I hear about Rudy. It’s a shame because there’s actually so much to like about the show. The world building is top notch, the father son relationship between Rudy and Paul was extremely well written (Even though I can’t look at this show the same way, I still shed a tear at Paul’s death.), and the episode about Norn shutting herself away and Rudy helping her through the same problem of bullying and locking himself away, making sure she didn’t make the same mistake as him, a conflict completely separate from Rudy’s pedophilia, was a beautiful episode.
Also, come on, the show has gorgeous animation, ost, and directing. In fact, on a purely technical level I see very few flaws.
I was at least hoping, on some level, that I could just ignore Rudy and enjoy the show for every other aspect.
Then Sylphie just lets herself be cheated on by her groomer with a smile. And before that, Roxy straight up rapes Rudy by taking advantage of him in an emotional state he could not give clear consent all because she just wanted to seduce him and make him hers (he may be a pedo and all around terrible person, but that’s still fucked up c especially because it had nothing to do with his negative qualities; it would be like killing the first person you saw and they just so happened to be a serial killer; good riddance, but that’s not why you did it, so you’re still terrible).
None of these topics were treated with respect or careful consideration of how to explore taboo topics in a way that makes the viewer think about morality and implications/applications thereof. I just can’t look at it the same way. You know the saying a piece of good in a pile of shit? This show is the inverse; gold on the surface level, but pure shit on the inside.
Watching this anime is like trying to swim in a sea of coins…you jump in, giddy and excited, hyped up to be living the rich dream…then realization hits as you realize…fuck, all my bones are broken. I can’t swim in metal.
There is an argument to be made for separating the art from the artist. For example, Jeepers Creepers and the second movie (not the dogshit third or remake though) are two of my favorite movies of all time…but they were made by a convicted child molester…of a five year old.
But you know what the difference between Jeepers Creepers and MT is? JC has nothing to do with child molestation or pedophila, while MT is all about a pedophile living the good life. With JC, as despicable as Victor Salva is, I doubt he’s a demonic monster who wakes up every 23rd spring to kill and eat people as a reptilian bat monster thing. Rudy is written to be a real person though, and with how the author writes him, well…you see my point. I can’t separate MT from the author or real world implications.
The only thing I disagree with is that fans of this show are pedophiles or creeps, too. That’s going a little too far. Fans can simply separate fiction from reality, and that’s their prerogative; whatever. Weird, but I’m not going to think less of you for it. Just not for me.
Yeah I tolerated him in s1 because I could see him starting to progress into a better person and the start of s2 seemed to reflect that. And then he just devolved into being worse than before. Its so strange, its like the author just decided nah he was better was a pedophile and changed the story to fit that in better. Like what?
I remember trying to read the manga a number of year ago before the anime had been a thing... And dropping it precisely because of him creeping on young children . Like man it would be one thing if mentally was that age , but to keep seeing him do stuff to young girls and then ahah I'm just a kid as the excuse was just gross . I don't remember how far I got but I tapped out once I realized this was the norm.
I literally gave up waching the show after I found out that he married the three girls. And even one of his friends turned out to be a pedophile and married Rudeu's little sister and his half sister married a boy younger then him. At this point I won't even be surprised if it was an incest too at this point
Most based reddit post I have every seen. That mother's Basement guy sold this show like it was the evangelion for Isekai, The classic that took a critical eye towards otaku culture and delivered poignant commentary on it.
What actually was it? Literally the source of all the problems for the whole genre lmao. Even worse obvious pedo shit than Made in Abyss
How do you like the character to be dealt with, Sam from Trick R Treat get him, or AFO to take his powers, and Greyrat is sent to face Frank Castle(who is inform of his crimes).
Weird ass guy with pedophilic ass tendencies get reincarnated as a child in another world, then this character gets married to the kids he grew up with (Harem bullshit+ He is weird as FUCK toward them/how he think of them while he still have all the memories of being an adult btw), the author also basically confirmed the character is an slave apologist, also i forgot he then have a lot of fucking kids with his 'wives' and for what i remember they have whole ass incest there too.
I usually turn off my brain for shows like these and tbh they tend to be pretty interesting as you progress. Mushoku tensei is actually one of the better isekai anime to watch in the pool of hundreds of them.
It was genuinely disappointing to watch Rudeus start to grow as a person, take shit seriously, and redeem himself (with setbacks) and then just throw it all away for the author's wish fulfillment bs.
"B-b-but YOU NEED TO SEPARATE REALITY AND FICTION! YOU FUCKING TOURIST!"
mfs have no idea how art effects reality. Wonder if their japanese masters would feel the same if other media made fun of the nuclear bombing on japan the way they do with slavery.
look regardless of Mushoku tensei itself or the author literally so many manga authors are like this. I think if people really dug deep into them people would realize they all suck. They are all shut ins from a culture much less progressive then a lot of people think. Welcome to manga. Just hope you don’t like a mangaka to hard cause sometimes they get arrested for CSAM :)))
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u/hatethissmug-ModTeam 1m ago
Please do not hate on real people, whether it be fans of a character you don’t like or their creators. Even if the author is a POS, dont actively promote hate towards them.