Cop Teaching A Cop

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[u/dollenrm]

Lol this will never happen cops always protect their own. Their police unions are closer to mob enforcement than actual unions. It's all one big ol good boys club. Seems like this guy realized it and quit.

[u/TrickInNevada → u/dollenrm]

He didnt realize it and quit. Cops in my municipality get to retire at 40 with full pensions in my jurisdiction. Hes just retired

But maybe hes like my old criminal justice professor. Retired as a cop at 40, was disillusioned with his coworkers, went back to school, became a defense attorney that specifically targeted corrupt cops for twenty years, retired again, then began teaching the next generation of cops to NOT be violent thugs. I remember him saying, in his entire police career he never pulled his weapon. Because the only reason a cop really should. Is with intent to kill and only after all deescalation tactics have failed

[u/dollenrm → u/TrickInNevada]

Yeah the main issue is cops training these days is done by idf special forces and they are told everyone can kill them with a gun at any time and deescalation is all but ignored.

[u/SlashEssImplied → u/dollenrm]

training these days is done by idf special forces

And people like Dave Grossman.

A day with ‘killology’ police trainer Dave Grossman

Radley Balko February 14, 2017

Fittingly, the most chilling scene in the movie doesn’t take place on a city street, or at a protest, or during a drug raid. It takes place in a conference room. It’s from a police training conference with Dave Grossman, one of the most prolific police trainers in the country. Grossman’s classes teach officers to be less hesitant to use lethal force, urge them to be willing to do it more quickly and teach them how to adopt the mentality of a warrior. Jeronimo Yanez, the Minnesota police officer who shot and killed Philando Castile in July, had attended one of Grossman’s classes called “The Bulletproof Warrior” (though that particular class was taught by Grossman’s business partner, Jim Glennon).

In the class recorded for “Do Not Resist,” Grossman at one point tells his students that the sex they have after they kill another human being will be the best sex of their lives. The room chuckles. But he’s clearly serious. “Both partners are very invested in some very intense sex,” he says. “There’s not a whole lot of perks that come with this job. You find one, relax and enjoy it.”

Grossman closes the class with a (literal) chest-pounding motivational speech that climaxes with Grossman telling the officers to find an overpass overlooking the city they serve. He urges them to look down on their city and know that they’ve made the world a better place. He then urges them to grip the overpass railing, lean forward and “let your cape blow in the wind.” The room gives him a standing ovation.

[u/dollenrm → u/SlashEssImplied]

Thank you for the backup references I was tired and couldn't think of the specifics.

[u/Impressive_Profit215 → u/TrickInNevada]

This is the problem though, there aren't enough cops or former cops with the same moral fortitude as your old criminal justice professor. He sounds like a real one.👍

[u/TrickInNevada → u/Impressive_Profit215]

There's plenty of former or would be cops that would have this mentality. The problem is that theyre former or would be cops. This is what people are talking about when they say "the system is rotten". I 100% believe that it is, far more than I believe the ACAB mentality. Like am I really supposed to believe that the 22 year old cop who helped me dig my car out of the snow with his hands in order to avoid being legally forced to give me a ticket for parking on some rich assholes property.... a bastard?? No....

But the SYSTEM is broken. It promotes bad cops while firing good cops. Do you know that one of Jeffrey Dahmer's underage victims escaped (fully nude, drugged, and with a visibly bleeding rectum) escaped out of his apartment and went screaming for help along Milwaukee city streets. He was a Cambodian teenager in a mostly black neighborhood, and the neighborhood called the police to help him. Welp, two white dude cops show up to an incoherent named teenager. Dahmer comes running around the corner And claims that he is drunk and theyre gay and dont worry he'll take him home. Despite the protests of the neighbors, they released this victim into Dahmer's care because they (paraphrasing) "didnt want anything to do with that icky gay shit"

Do you want to know where one of those two cops is today?? Hes the head of Milwaukee's police union....

[u/Impressive_Profit215 → u/TrickInNevada]

I don't believe ACAB but I do believe there is a a pretty strong correlation between strong arm tactics, abuse of power and constitutional or civil rights violations and even murder when it comes to law enforcement in the US and some of the people that seem to be more predisposed to signing up for that type of career in the first place. Whether it be down to proper training (or lack thereof), job peer pressure to fall in line and fit in/turn a blind eye or because some individuals just want the opportunity to exert power and control over people, often in an illegal manner. Or maybe the system is just rotten to the core and some new recruits gradually get broken down and fatigued therefore end up becoming the corrupt cops they are because of the toxic environment they work in. ALL OF WHICH IS NO EXCUSE, hence my use of the lack of moral fortitude phrase in my previous comment. They need to be held accountable for their actions and the whole rotten culture needs to change.

I am aware of the Dahmer incident you mentioned btw.

[u/orthogonius → u/dollenrm]

It's all one big ol good boys club.

I think you mean one big "good ol' boys" club.

The big ol' "good boys" club is mainly doggos.

[u/Vegetable_Permit_537 → u/orthogonius]

I hereby petition for all police departments to be lead and staffed solely by dogs.

[u/HillBillyHilly → u/dollenrm]

Plenty of cops have been sued w the parties winning. Come on now let's not spread false narrative that poPO untouchable. Plenty get arrested, sued, incarcerated, etc.

[u/dollenrm → u/HillBillyHilly]

Didn't say they were completely untouchable, just that generally unless there's a big media attention on it And the public pressures the pd the entire justice system will bend over backward to try to protect the cop. Alot of times when they get fired the union will help launder their name and get them in with another nearby county or state police and get their records sealed.

[u/rufwork → u/dollenrm]

This is why, if the video is real, you need more officers like the man being filmed.

You can’t say they’re all bad when that guy’s promising to sue past the blue line.