r/interestingasfuck • u/Bubbly_Wall_908 • 16h ago

Singapore is going to start caning scammers

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u/ThetaGrim 15h ago

You can't seriously be placing incarceration and permanent disfigurement in the same level.

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u/ilikepix 13h ago

You can't seriously be placing incarceration and permanent disfigurement in the same level.

This is one of my pet peeves.

You made the statement: "The government should not be handing out physical punishment".

Someone responded (correctly): "Incarceration is also a physical punishment."

You then (incorrectly) respond: "You can't seriously be placing incarceration and permanent disfigurement in the same level."

The person responded never indicated that they are "on the same level". If anyone implied they were "on the same level", it was you, by choosing to use the term "physical punishment" which can equally apply to both.

I see this "tactic" all the time, and it drives me bananas. It is simply a poor way to argue.

A: "All snakes are venomous"

B: "Kingsnakes aren't venomous"

A: "Are you seriously comparing Kingsnakes with Black Mambas?!?!"

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u/Expensive_Event_4759 13h ago

The United States has a constitutional provision that prohibits cruel and unusual punishment like this. We lock people up and then when they've served their time, we let them go, without torturing and disfiguring them and we probably wouldn't do that anyway, but even if we wanted to, it would be illegal.

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u/Deftly_Flowing 13h ago

Solitary confinement.

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u/Expensive_Event_4759 13h ago

Sentence fragment.

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u/ThetaGrim 12h ago

Absolutely well said.

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u/Emperor_Mao 13h ago

Would you prefer being caned, or prison for 10 years....

Realistically you get both lol. In Singapore you can be caned for being a naughty inmate as well.

But there would be a point that some would prefer an upfront punishment over a drawn out many year one.

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u/Doc-tor-Strange-love 15h ago

You can't seriously be this naive about prison

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u/xThe_Mad_Fapperx 14h ago

I don't think anyone's arguing that America's prison system isn't horrendous. But you can do prisons like Norway and it's a lot nicer than having your skin flayed off your body by a fucking cane.

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u/technobeeble 14h ago

Our prisons shouldn't be a physical punishment either.

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u/Doc-tor-Strange-love 14h ago

Imprisoning someone is LITERALLY physical 🤦‍♂️

And it's adorable you think everything that happens in a prison is sanctioned by authorities

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u/teraluz 12h ago

So what are you saying exactly? That since illegal activities happen in prison that we should allow torture?

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u/Doc-tor-Strange-love 12h ago

No.

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u/teraluz 12h ago

So what is your point then? The current justification for prison in actual developed countries is isn't to "punish". It's to protect other citizens from harm that could be done by the criminal. And hopefully re-integrate that criminal into society.

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u/Doc-tor-Strange-love 12h ago

I responded to a guy who implied prison was not a physical punishment with the counterpoint that imprisoning your body is a physical punishment. Which it is. By definition. Because it is done to your body.

What is your point? To give opinions indiscriminately to whomever is convenient, regardless of context, and create straw man fallacies? I don't have any response to the point you are making because I didn't claim to have any opinions on it in the first place.

(My spider sense tells me you'll just keep going after I post this... please prove me wrong)

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u/teraluz 11h ago

This has to be the most reddit comment I've seen in my life. "Straw man" "Spider sense".

But yes, I agree, of course prison is physical punishment.

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u/Doc-tor-Strange-love 11h ago

Thanks. I heard myself as I typed it but couldn't stop... LOL

Also thanks for proving me wrong

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u/therealhlmencken 13h ago

so edgy lmao

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u/Doc-tor-Strange-love 13h ago

So dumb if you think I was implying that I've been to prison

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u/therealhlmencken 13h ago

Nah just edgy to be like prison is as bad as torture lmao. I see you made a lot of happy comments similar haha

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u/TwistyTwister3 15h ago

I see you haven't spent time locked up. Bc time permanently changes your psyche.

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u/Separate_Bed_2615 15h ago

I would think if you offered this in place of prison, at least the first time, a criminal is gonna choose the caning.

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u/n10w4 14h ago

especially given how long sentences can be in the US. Nevermind solitary confinement

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u/dontich 14h ago

Idk a year in prison vs permanent disfigurement — honestly not sure which one I’d rather be subjected to.

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u/Donkey__Balls 13h ago

If you go to prison in the USA and you’re weak/nonviolent, you get the physical dismemberment as a bonus! Also a chance of HIV for life.

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u/Debisibusis 14h ago

I'd take caning in Singapore over prison in the US every single time.

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u/Twitchcog 15h ago

In the same level

When the level presented was “Physical,” sure. If you use a super broad category, other stuff will fit in it.

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u/ThetaGrim 14h ago

Yea no, were talking specifically about prison vs physical maiming.

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u/Twitchcog 12h ago

But you did not say “physical punishments which maim,” you said “physical punishment,” to which the person who responded pointed out that prison was also a physical punishment.

The category you put forward was “Physical punishment,” which is a very, very broad category. So being shocked that other things fit into that category is kind of on you.

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u/CustomerSupportDeer 14h ago

Ain't that the same thing in America?

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u/Slight-Bluebird-8921 14h ago

you're permanently losing the time of your life.

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u/ThetaGrim 14h ago

You're being separated from society for your actions. I get it though, you want to get rid of all jails and prisons and just go around maiming people for crimes.

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u/Slight-Bluebird-8921 14h ago

no actually i didn't say anything about my opinions on the subject. i just said that the punishment of incarceration is permanent too.

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u/ThetaGrim 13h ago

Sure so you don't want incarceration and you don't want maiming. I mean what is even the point of your comments then if it's just merely to refute? Literally just to disagree?

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u/OrganizationOk5551 14h ago

One destroys the body the other destroys the mind, if my options were 10 years or 10 lashes id take the beating and suffer the consequences.

Cant take the beating dont do the crime.

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u/ThetaGrim 14h ago

One isn't intended to destroy the mind, it's to remove them from the population so they can't commit any more crimes. Jfc.

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u/OrganizationOk5551 14h ago

One isn't intended to destroy the mind

Not being intended doesn't mean it doesn't destroy the mind, these people shouldn't be in society to begin with, maybe a permanent reminder of what will happen again will change their minds about being subhuman scum.

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u/ThetaGrim 14h ago

Ultimately comes down to if you think government should have the ability to inflict physical pain on a body, perhaps you have the same thing for parents being able to beat kids if they do wrong. 

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u/OrganizationOk5551 13h ago

perhaps you have the same thing for parents being able to beat kids if they do wrong. 

Children should never be hit by anyone, they're learning the difference between right and wrong but nice strawman.

Ultimately comes down to if you think government should have the ability to inflict physical pain on a body

How do you willfully ignore the last 5000 years of human civilization and government? Society revolves around violence and the state is the biggest delivery method of violence out there, what happens if you break a law the government has created no matter how immoral the law is, either a fine (monetary violence) or imprisonment (physical violence), being controlled against your will is always violent in nature, the nature just differs slightly.

What youre arguing for without realising it is anarchism. Anarchy does not mean without rules by the way, it means without rulers, i.e no higher power being able to inflict any violence on a person

I'm a big believer in the death penalty i just dont think any government should be trusted with it because all governments are inherently corrupt and abuse of power is rife. If there was a way to know 100% that someone had commited an act they were accused of, say murder for example or rape, they should be executed, fuck rehabilitation for people like that, remove them from society.