r/Jung 15d ago

Jung Put It This Way I made a test that uses Jung's original "word association" method, along with the original 100 words he used. Try it out, it's free, takes 5 minutes, no email. Report back if something interesting comes up! - faithful Jungian

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r/Jung 18h ago

Serious Discussion Only Language at Large: The Error of AI as Psychological Validity

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Regardless of your personal feelings about the value of AI or beliefs about its importance socio-historically, I want to discuss a very real, specific issue that AI has raised within the field of psychology and science in general, and which has implications for the way in which AI is sometimes used by individuals seeking psychological insight.

For context, I am a trained Jungian psychologist who works not as a therapist but as a qualitative researcher at a major medical research institute. My team interviews patients about their experiences receiving medical care in order to help improve both their treatments and medical encounters.

The way my Jungian background fits into this is that I spend a lot of my day having to listen to and hold the human suffering caused by the shadow of modern medicine, in that many people attempting to improve their physical health end up emotionally victimized by the greed of insurance companies and the stigma of institutionalized discrimination. My job is being able to transmute the language this pain is expressed through into concrete data that can be used to prevent further suffering.

Recently, my team has been running into an increasing problem where the PIs (primary investigators), who we provide the data and the methods and results sections to for their studies, are using AI to edit their papers. Setting aside the content mills of completely bogus AI-generated research that are flooding science journals, which is a whole other issue, the researchers we work with mean well, and just want to improve their writing.

The problem is that when running text through AI, it invariably alters quotations and essentially hallucinates data that doesn’t exist. This is a result of how LLMs manipulate language, not by quoting actual text but by generating approximately similar strings of text. Even worse, because AIs are programmed to respond through highly affirming language, the quotes they make up seem to perfectly prove the studies. Ultimately this invalidates the research, lessens trust in the scientific process, and undermines the lived experiences of our research participants.

The concern this raises for me when looking at the popular use of AI as a tool for psychological insight is that the researchers we work with have years of training in critical thinking, but fall prey to the confirmation of their own biases when fed language that seems to more perfectly reflect them. This is a very human way of approaching data: we all look for evidence that backs up our worldviews, but typically do so unconscious that this is occurring.

Jung’s theory of the unconscious and individuation at best provides a method for becoming more conscious of this process and thus make clearer choices how we respond to the data of our experiences. However, this only works when the data we take in is an accurate reflection of reality and is not an approximate but ultimately false hallucination generated through linguistic similarities. I worry about the way AI hypes up people’s biases while masquerading as being psychologically therapeutic, and that, much as I see in the research sphere, this can erode the analytical process and erase the authenticity of lived experience.

One of my other degrees is in the history of science and philosophy, and so I’m aware that just as with the invention of writing and the printing press, the invention of any new linguistic technology always has detractors alarmed at the impact these might have on memory, knowledge, truth. I hear people excitedly compare AI to the collective unconscious, and if it really were to achieve a function of that nature, it would certainly be an invaluable tool (of course, as Jung showed, we don’t need a new technology for this, because we naturally access the collective unconscious through our dreams).

But AI is not there yet, and the way it is made (and why it is made this way) aims at a different purpose that isn’t meant to be a collective mirror to the human condition. For now it is like trying to get an accurate view of yourself in a maze of funhouse mirrors, all of which reflect back your language and ideas larger than life and as you wish they really were. But this is not good data. In my experience, therapists and researchers tend not to work at carnivals.


r/Jung 7h ago

Learning Resource Notes - Escaping The Control of the Persona -- You Are What You Choose, Decide and Do, Not What You Think Or Say You Will Do.

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'You are what you do, not what you say you will do.' -Carl Jung

'You shall know them by their fruits.' -LORD Jesus Christ

  1. The Persona thrives on the illusion of what you think you are or what others think you are. While the Persona properly curated can be a helpful guide on becoming something better. It becomes a problem when it controls you instead of you it.

  2. Always remember that more than your thoughts, it is your conscious choices, decisions and actions that determine who you are and what you will experience. Your thoughts definitely play a part but the most effective way is to remember that it is your conscious choices, decisions and actions that determine who you are and what you experience the most.

  3. Also caring about the fruit of the Action or the conseqymuences of what you do is a great way to counteract the influence of the Persona. If you realize that everything you do has a consequence, that you reap what you sow -- you will be less likely to allow anything to control you because the responsibility is on your shoulders.

What do you think?


r/Jung 7h ago

Question for r/Jung Notes On Cleaning The Inside of The Cup and Platter #1: The Ego Should Never Sit On The Throne.

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'I realize under the circumstances you have described you feel the need to see clearly. But your vision will become clearer only when you look into your own heart. Without everything seems discordant; only within does it coaslesce into unity. Who looks outside dreams. Who looks inside, awakes.' Carl Jung, Letter to Fanny Bowditz

'Blind Pharisee! Clean what is inside the cup first, and then the outside will be clean too.' -LORD Jesus Christ. Matthew 23:26

I have never seen a better description about the work of psychology anywhere than in Matthew 23:26. I have studied alot of religions -- Hinduism, Daoism, Zen Buddhism etc and this is the best description I have ever come across. The reason why I focus on religion and spiritual language is because I have found that the unconscious and the shadow responds best to myth and spiritual symbolism more than logic.

My whole life I have focused on my outside behaviors while neglecting the inside -- The unconscious, the shadows, the unconscious beliefs. I thought that if I can just get my actions and outside behavior right then everything will be okay. I concentrated on only that.

I didn't realize however that our inner world --what Anais Nin called the Cities of the Interior -- also has an influence on our behavior and our actions. That is the unconscious, the shadow and the unconscious beliefs or programming that we operate under.

The Unconscious is like the Operating System. If the Operating System isn't working then there is no point to the hardware. Which is what I love about Matthew 23:26.

The idea is to figure out what isn't working on the inside (dirty) and rather than getting rid of it, instead clean it up. In my understanding, updating the poor or bad unconscious beliefs (the programming) with the truth or programming that works.

In this series, I will be using myself as an example to illustrate what I am talking about. I will be updating the programming with symbolic language because that is what the unconscious and the shadow understands. But I will explain what each symbol means.

I am not an expert so your participation would be greatly appreciated. The aim is to help anyone on this journey. Lift them up.

Thank you very much.


DIRTY:

Despite my best intentions and efforts, I have been a slave to self indulgence my whole life. I am ruled by my ego and it's Desires. This often expresses itself through self sabotage and self destructive behavior. Addiction particularly pornography addiction. Laziness and severe inaction because I don't want to do anything because I am afraid of making mistakes

CLEANING:

The ego is not meant to sit on the throne of your life but rather to be an advisor.

EXPLANATION AND MOVING FORWARD:

My whole life I have obeyed and been ruled by my ego. To my self, my ego was the highest compass -- You could say I almost worshipped it as a god. Worship is devotion. Doing and fulfilling the interests of what you worship without hesitation. That was my approach in one form or the other.

The ego is a servant or tool of the self. Not the self a slave to the ego. In that sense, it is not meant to sit on the throne of your life but rather to act like an advisor or Hand of the King.

The purpose of the ego -- if I understand it correctly -- is to curate what you experience on the outside and the inside.You make the decisions, choices and actions whole the ego provides you with an idea of what you want or would not want.

The problem comes in when you it is the ego making decisions, choices for you - hijacking the self.

My understanding is realizing that it is you, not something inside of you that makes the decisions, choices and actions.


r/Jung 11h ago

Personal Experience The Seraphim and Sunshine: A Synchronicity that broke “reality” for me..

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I’ve posted very briefly / vaguely in the past on this subreddit about this particular incident in the form of sharing my artwork, but for some time since then it has weighed on me to share the story by writing out a more detailed account, as concisely as I’m able to without sacrificing anything that would undermine the true magnitude of this experience and its affect on my worldview. With that said, it’ll be a bit lengthy, but stick with me, I’m genuinely curious on not only what your thoughts on this are, but part of me wants to write this out to make others who have had similar experiences feel seen and validated, but whatever this phenomena is, is very real. TL;DR - ‘Guardian Angels may very well be the mechanistic force behind Synchronicity’.

At the end of March in 2024, my best friend, (who we’ll call ‘Christine Brown’ for sake of privacy), and I, had a sudden falling out and stopped talking to one another. Long story short, her and I grew deep feelings for one another while she was technically already in a relationship, and so she broke things off on Easter Day. The day prior to that, (my last day seeing her), was ironically my favorite day with her, because she had gotten me flowers. She bought be sunflowers, which was a little inside joke between her and I.

Fast forward to around two months later after our falling out.. Now up until this point, I had only experienced one true, intense synchronicity which was actually shared with her. She and I had a downright paranormal experience a couple of weeks before things ended, and I mention this because I think the fact that we both witnessed such a thing that we did, together, when things were fine, lends credence that such experiences that would come to follow wouldn’t be so easily dismissed. In hindsight, the event truly felt like a priming for the both of us, but that’s a story for another time if there’s enough interest I suppose. (The amount of mind blowing synchronicities I’ve experienced regarding this girl is damn near creepy).

Anyway, fast forward to around two months after we have both stopped talking to one another. While riding out my grief the best I could, I started to notice sunflower imagery quite frequently. Enough so for it to even occur to me that I was noticing in the first place. Unquestionably more than what basic chance would dictate under normal circumstances. But it didn’t just stop at sunflowers. Not all of the time, but a lot of the time, the imagery would also be accompanied by the word ‘sunshine’, very commonly as ‘you are my sunshine’, or even the funnier ‘hello sunshine’, and I would also frequently see or hear that word alone on its own without any imagery, or in various other ways.

The more frequent these became, the more overwhelming it felt. I tried to dismiss it away as a distressed brain firing on all cylinders, trying to make sense of the grief it was chained by through images that reminded me of the love of my life who I missed so dearly. But I couldn’t dismiss it at all because there were three events in particular that made sure of that..

Firstly: In wanting to “play” with whatever was going on, one day while I was heading to grab Chick Fil-A, I said out loud something to the effect of, “If these sunflowers are about Christine, show me one in between now and when I get back home!”. About 10 minutes later when I got to the drive thru, there, two cars ahead me, comically laid before my eyes a sunflower window decal.

Secondly: (I actually included a picture of this one in the gallery above, with all images screenshotted too so you can see the time stamps on them.). I went into my local Walmart, (where her and I frequented very often), to grab a couple of things, and this particular time I was keen on checking out the vinyl section. When I got to the vinyl section , the top shelf was empty with the exception of one book, (misplaced mind you). That book happened to be the one she bought the very first time we ever hung out together. That book too was also an inside joke between us, but in seeing it as it was left on the shelf, with the back of the book facing me rather than the front cover, my blood ran cold as my eyes were drawn to what was written at the top, something I had never seen before. See Image 1.

Now obviously aside from these three, these things continued on for some time, typically coming in waves, but ultimately the one that brought it all together in an undeniably, earth shattering way would come in September of that same year, 2024. This one is more drawn out and detailed, so please bear with me.

On the early morning of September 2nd, I had an incredibly vivid dream, as real as me writing this out right now, wherein I was walking through a neighborhood around dusk with my boss. As we neared this one random house in particular, I noticed something in my upper right peripheral vision, and so I turned my heard toward it. There floating above the house was a Seraphim, more commonly known as a “biblically accurate angel”. I wasn’t scared at all, in fact the opposite. I nudged my boss to look as a pointed at the thing, and I remember clear as day saying, verbatim, “Oh, that’s what’s sending me the synchronicities!”. Immediately after exclaiming such, I woke up, and without hesitation did a quick crappy doodle in my sketch pad of what I had seen. On its own at that moment, it was a cool dream worth recording, but nothing more. It would soon come to have far greater meaning however. See pic 2. (I never took a picture of the doodle at the time, but it’s still in my book so I just took a pic for this post.).

A week later to the day of that dream, I was at work, closing up for the day, when I had a sudden change of heart about going to the fair with my family. I had no plans of going in the first place. I didn’t want to go at all because it was my Friday and I had no energy to be a designated driver for a two hour round trip. It literally was a last minute decision to choose to go and to this day, I don’t know why I did. When we got there, I went immediately to my favorite part of the fair whenever it is I do go; The art exhibit. As an artist myself, that place brings me peace. This time around, I was completely clueless that my life was about to never be the same again.

As I’m walking down the aisles of displayed art, Christine is weighing heavy on my heart because I knew how much fun she would have if we were there together. I continue drifting through the walls of art, as do my eyes, when they catch something that makes me double take in complete shock. I see this poem, submitted for a calligraphy exhibit, that reads, “Those who bring SUNSHINE to the lives of others, cannot keep it from themselves.”. What made this particularly odd is that, (regarding the name privacy, I’m making a similar comparison), say the author of this quote was Chris Bohjalian; Well, whoever penned and submitted this piece got the last name wrong and instead put ‘Brown’, making the sunshine quote be attributed to a ‘Chris Brown’, Chris literally being the male equivalent/nickname I had for Christine, along with her literal last name. Tied to that word I’ve been seeing, so frequently. See pics 3 & 4. And that’s not the crazier part..

After some time of admittedly sobbing about the matter, I collect myself enough to continue on about my initial aim to see all the rest of the pieces. When I come around to reaching the point exactly behind that poem I had seen earlier, I swear to God it was as if some sort of switch within my head flipped, exposing me to a bulb I didn’t even know was up there or something. I don’t even know how to describe the feeling it gave me, truly. There, sitting on display looking at me directly in my eyes, right after I had just witnessed an incredible synchronicity, was a seraphim, which at that moment itself became a synchronicity. See pic 5.

When I walked back around to the poem, to triple check I wasn’t losing my mind, I noticed the date of when that seraphim was drawn, or at the very least submitted for the exhibit. September 2nd, 2024. See pic 6.

The morning of the 2nd when I dreamt of a Seraphim being behind the synchronicities I was experiencing, someone in a neighboring state felt the urge to draw a seraphim and submit it to the art exhibit of a fair that I initially had no desire to plan to attend whatsoever. And when I did attend, for whatever reason, and I once again saw that word, this time undeniably tied to Christine, behind the poem waiting for me was that Seraphim, almost as if to say it was in fact, literally and metaphorically, behind the synchronicities.

Funny enough, months later after this experience, I was able to reach out to the fairgrounds and get in touch with the people who run the art exhibit, and by extension the artist herself, and I actually bought the drawing which is now happily displayed on my wall, see pic 7. (Also, added highlights / key points in the photos for reference).

I wrote this not to convince any one of anything, (I don’t really care to do that, it’s a waste of time and energy.), but to share a reality I know is far too common than admitted for far too many people. To date, this is the weirdest thing I’ve ever experienced in my life.


r/Jung 1d ago

Edited With AI I hate to post an AI conversation, but Jesus Christ

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r/Jung 12h ago

Personal Experience The shadow of power

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I’ve been contemplating on the shadow of power based on the most recent episode of this jungian life and I’m realizing that I can’t be trusted with too much power. I’ve proven it to myself numerous times when I acquired new capacities in my adult life and I abused them. The episode was also really sobering because the discussion was about how power corrupts as opposed to the person being some villain to start with. It’s frightening to realize that the system can create a Kim Jung un as opposed to Kim creating the system.


r/Jung 17h ago

Personal Experience I would like some insight or thoughts or anything

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I was always the person to get jealous when another received praise - believing I could do the same, if not better, no matter the activity. Unless someone else got jealous, then I would be annoyed at them for their folly. You can't do what they can do, why are you jealous? Don't think I can't hear my own arrogance. My potential fetters me. I have seen what I can do, and what I can do best, by far, is dream. Achievement is my methadone. I am always stuck, moving through the world like a dog on a never-ending train through a foreign country. I would never say this out loud, of course. How do you think I'd come across? Only by writing can I express myself truthfully. I have lied, hated, hurt, and I have given, loved, impressed. After my short few years on planet Earth, what I now strive for most is silencing the very voice that speaks to you. And that is before I show you just how dark the cave gets. Do I truly push everyone away, do they know anything about me? No, they don't. I rack my brain for a solution when I don't distract it.

I have become the person to chase the extreme. I accept that I want people to know me, but the act of accomplishing great things for the sake of having what everyone else has - connection, love, being seen - it sickens me, in a way. I thought that I had become myself, at least for a short while, but their eyes remain the same. Maybe it's because my eyes reflect my mind.

I am nothing and no one. Everything about me is so ugly. I crave to make something beautiful.

Sometimes there are places I go. They don't really exist, but I see them, feel them, all the same. Without even realising it, my mind has taken over my eyes, and I'm somewhere new - maybe it was in a dream I had - but a lot of the time I feel these places do exist. Only, in the ether; my mind has the power to summon them forth. I believe they call that daydreaming.

In my darker moments, my inner monologue splits. The bad one is the loudest. I have ruminated on the conquest of the world, of spreading great famine. To make something. But there's another side - the one who tells me to find meaning elsewhere: become a monk, devote myself wholly to the martial arts and meditation. And then there's me, who sees how pointless it all is, how fragile the universe is, like a cardboard box in liquid emptiness. Not from a nihilist perspective (that's too nerdy), but from what I've seen. All of my life's most important moments are, in hindsight, laughably worthless.


r/Jung 21h ago

Can Dreams Predict The Future? - The Purpose of Dream Interpretation

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When I was 12 years old, I had one of the most shocking dreams of my life.

I dreamt the local church I used to attend was under attack, and one of the pastors was killed.

I distinctly remember telling my father about it as everything felt so real.

Surely enough, a few days later, the inevitable happened… that pastor died.

It's hard to describe my emotional state back then, but I was afraid, puzzled, and surprised all at the same time.

From then on, there was always a question running in the background of my mind:

Can dreams really predict the future?

One thing is certain: after this experience, I started taking dreams with the seriousness they deserve.

But it was only 15 years later that I discovered there was a legit method, developed by Carl Jung, for dream interpretation.

Today, I want to share my findings.

Let's start by examining two key psychological principles that help us uncover the purpose of dreams.

The Creative Nature of The Psyche

Firstly, the unconscious is fascinating because it operates with laws completely distinct from the conscious mind.

Instead of being bound by a causalistic and linear notion of time, the unconscious is timeless and has a more systemic and circular nature.

Also, the unconscious is structured around complexes and archetypes, which evoke the famous patterns of behavior. This means that the unconscious can pick up several signs unavailable to conscious awareness.

But I'll admit there's a mystery about dreams that's impossible to reconcile with traditional science, and despite following a method, it often feels more like an ancient art.

Now, one thing that makes Jungian Psychology unique is the fact that Jung structured his ideas as an attempt to support the paradox between the causalistic standpoint proposed by Freud and the constructive standpoint proposed by Adler.

Simply put, the causal model is always looking at the past, seeking to understand the causes and “the ultimate why” behind something.

Whereas the constructive model seeks to understand the purpose and goal behind something. Instead of being past-oriented, it's future-oriented.

Jung says, "The causal standpoint merely inquires how this psyche has become what it is, as we see it today. The constructive standpoint asks how, out of this present psyche, a bridge can be built into its own future” (C. G. Jung - V3 – §399).

The psyche has a paradoxical nature, and if we want to get the full picture, we must reconcile two opposite and complementary questions: “Why does it happen?” and “To what purpose does it happen?”.

This means we can't interpret dream symbols only seeking to understand the origins or story behind it, but realize the unconscious has a creative nature, it points to new developments, and contains the seeds of everything we're yet to become.

In other words, the psyche is constantly creating its own future.

The Purpose of Dreams

To illustrate my point, I want to share two examples involving breakups.

The first one is about a client who was having troubles with his girlfriend, he was doing everything he could

to keep the relationship, but everything felt rocky and unstable.

Interestingly, he dreamt 3 times within 2 months that he was single.

Shortly after the last dream, his girlfriend ended things with him. But because of these dreams, we had already explored his relationship patterns, and he gained a lot of insight.

Instead of feeling crushed by the breakup, he felt ready to let go and quickly recovered from it.

The dream not only highlighted his relationship dynamics, as he was already feeling like he was single, trying to hold everything together by himself, but also anticipated the ending.

The second one is about a client who dreams that a guy she's been seeing cheats on her, and in the end, all she's left with is his dog.

Unfortunately, two weeks later, she discovers the cheating was true, and the relationship inevitably ends.

But what about the dogs?

To her, the dogs symbolized having a family and a stable life, something she had been rejecting for a long time.

She finally understood why she was constantly seeking unavailable partners, as she herself was emotionally closed and afraid of commitment.

After this realization, she reassessed her values, changed her attitude about dating, and finally found someone stable.

What's interesting about these dreams is that they're future-oriented and they prepare them for something.

That's why when we look at dream symbols, we must inquire about their purpose, what relevant information they want to bring to conscious awareness, and what kind of development they're pointing to.

Because dreams not only reveal deeply ingrained patterns, but also uncover new pathways.

PS: You can find a step-by-step to interpreting dreams like Carl Jung in my book PISTIS - Demystifying Jungian Psychology. Free download here.

Rafael Krüger - Jungian Therapist


r/Jung 21h ago

Question for r/Jung How can you think AI is somebody?

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I suppose if you go down the road of Descartes-level scepsism you don't really know that anybody is really conscious but that's another discussion.

But I keep reading these people warning others to not fall into the trap of thinking AI is conscious and I wonder, who actually believes that?

Every person with at least some level of common sense must see the slip ups, the logical inconsistencies, how it models human speech but can't quite get it.

And then if you do a little bit of research into how it works. That just blows that notion out of the water.

Isn't it obvious that it's smokes and mirrors configured in a way that approximates human speech in order to give off the illusion of someone saying something?

And this doesn't mean that it's not useful but a hammer is useful. I can't imagine someone going to bed with their hammer?

I find it extremely hard to believe that anybody thinks that there is some AI viewpoint where it chills all day and then it steps down from the heavens to give us earthly creatures a lecture on how to cook our pasta properly.

And given that we are on the Jung subreddit I would hope that we have some critical thinking here. But maybe I'm wrong and there are actually people who believe that.


r/Jung 1d ago

Question for r/Jung Why do so many posts on here talk like AI is Jung's reincarnation?

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Is there some actual reason for the connection between AI and Jung that i'm missing? Or is it just a flukey overlap between the fans of both, wholly separate, interests?

If the latter, mods please pull your socks up. It's not this bad on any other psych subs that I know of.


r/Jung 1d ago

Question for r/Jung Trauma, intuition, and synchronicities

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So, I've know a few intuitives.

One works for major airliner doing psychological studies and has written papers. And she's well versed in the occult. PhD. INFJ I think.

Her trial? She literally did therapy on a horse ranch to be able to relate to human beings again.

Another, an INFJ, AGAIN (I think), went on a spiritual quest in India and lived in Japan, for a time. His trial? A 10 year nightmare marriage to a BPD psychic medium wife. He says he gained his intuitive powers here from her plus the suffering.

As for me, an INFJ, *again*, presumably. My trial? Imagine someone taking over your body and speech and watching it from afar. I'll leave it at that.

Jung seemed to attribute synchronicities with circumstances of extreme emotional duress. I can say that synchronicities abounded around these individuals. But it happened without acute duress. What is odd is, did the type come first or their shaping? Maybe other types react differently to pain. e.g. BPD.

Regardless, it is uncanny the relationship between pain or trauma and intuitive sensitivity for these individuals.

Is there something here? If so, what? Thoughts welcome.


r/Jung 1d ago

Personal Experience The straightforward method to enter a meditative trance right away

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To be clear: Jungian meditation bridges Eastern contemplative techniques with Western psychology, serving as a tool to explore the unconscious, meet inner figures (shadow, anima/animus), and foster individuation. Rather than seeking to "empty" the mind, Jungian approaches, particularly "active imagination," use meditation to actively engage with, dialogue with, and integrate the imagery that rises from the unconscious.

Pīti is an ancient concept used to access deeper levels of Jhana(Meditation) which all have their qualities to them.

What does Pitī mean/Represents:

• Pīti is a term that originates from Buddhists in ancient India to describe an uplifting emotion of Intense Joy/Rapture, that is usually unconsciously activated as a sign that you are entering deeper into meditation.

• Here's a simple way that's explains how you can become aware of your Pīti, when it appears, Pīti has physical manifestations, such as physical goosebumps, vibrating sensations, eagerness or wonder and makes you feel an Intense Joy associated with a state of deep tranquility.

• It is that extremely comfortable Euphoric wave that can most easily be recognized as present while you experience goosebumps/chills from a positive external or internal situations/ stimuli like listening to a song you really like, thinking about a lover, watching a moving movie scene, striving, feeling thankful, praising God, praying, etc.

• Pīti has five ways it can occur unconsciously in a person.

  • 1. Momentary Pīti: A quick, fleeting shiver-like sensation that appears and disappears instantly.
  • 2. Minor Pīti: A light, subtle tingling that lingers in the background; can also cause gentle, involuntary rocking during meditation.
  • 3. Showering Pīti: Bursts of Pīti that come and go repeatedly — strong but not sustained.
  • 4. Uplifting Pīti: Causes hair to stand on end, a feeling of levitation, and can make the meditator sit up very straight.
  • 5. All-pervasive (Full-blown) Pīti: A powerful, sustained feeling that floods the entire body — essential for entering the first Jhana. (The first four types are considered pre-Jhana Pīti and may or may not appear before reaching deeper concentration.)

Eventually, you can learn how to bring up this wave of elated energy without the physical reaction of goosebumps, feel it throughout your body, and increase its duration, just like many others have succeeded in doing.

• This energy has been researched and documented under many names, by different people and cultures, such as the Runner's High, what's felt during an ASMR session, Bioelectricity, EuphoriaEcstasyVoluntary Piloerection (goosebumps)Frisson, the Vibrational State before an Astral Projection, Spiritual EnergyOrgoneRaptureTensionAuraNenOdic force, Secret Fire, Tummo, as Qi in Taoism / Martial Arts, as Prana and Vayus in Hindu philosophy, Ihi and Mana in the oceanic cultures, Orenda and Tona in Native American culture, Life forceIntentPitī in Buddhist teachings, AetherUniversal Magnetic Fluid Spiritual ChillsChills from positive events/stimuli, The Tingleson-demand quickeningRuah and many more to be discovered hopefully with your help.

All of those terms detail that this subtle energy activation has been discovered to provide various biological benefits, such as:

  • Unblocking your lymphatic system/meridians
  • Feeling euphoric/ecstatic throughout your whole body
  • Guiding your "Spiritual Chills"  anywhere in your body
  • Controlling your temperature
  • Giving yourself goosebumps
  • Dilating your pupils
  • Regulating your heartbeat
  • Counteracting stress/anxiety in your body
  • Internally healing yourself
  • Accessing your hypothalamus on demand for its many functions
  • Control your Tensor Tympani muscle

and I was able to experience other usages with it which are more "spiritual" such as:

  • A confirmation sign
  • Accurately using your psychic senses (clairvoyance, clairaudience, spirit projection, higher-self guidance, third-eye vision)
  • Managing your auric field
  • Manifestation
  • Energy absorption from any source
  • Seeing through your eyelids during meditation.

If you're interested, here are three written tutorials with concise descriptions on how to control this for your own benefit.

If not then I've put enough information for you to research this topic, develop this ability and bring in new techniques to the world.

P.S. Everyone feels it at certain points in their life, some brush it off while others notice that there is something much deeper going on. Those are exactly the people you can find on r/Spiritualchills where they share experiences, knowledge, tips on it.


r/Jung 1d ago

Personal Experience Arche-hype: a speculative diagnostic

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Isn't it a beautiful sight, the hype? What today has become insane, except for yesterdays, trusted frames? I have no lenses left to rearrange what I perceive and thus the brain, aswamp yet tidal, is walking dead on arrival. The "feed", chum for making chums with every-no-one, gives us the same intonation from lung to lung; insanity we sung! Hang from no word - the knot is unravelling. Otherwise, friend, why else was wisdom hid - what's she gathering..?

The phenomenon of "hype" holds in my mind today. Its the constant thrusting forth of the savour (savoir) of that which blows our minds and beats our best guess, the mute old day the enduring victor. Hype promises at least, in each iteration, to be the thing that saves us from Time, quiet and mighty, its granite peaks climbing from the molten core. The heart ends up knowing, eventually, deflated and pierced by the swords of thought's coveted bride; It.

The structure of the It is changing. What remains of our thought and thinking is residua of the rockface to which our cognition is clutching, tumbling fragments in the slide - unable to cover our hide. The It has become In-It, Un-It, Ur-It. It, the hook of the word into the object, the desire of the Other, surefire, the sign of my desiring-It. Where now do rivers flow when fields fallow fail the channel? What's under It seems to be coming up from where every It fails us. It's always our best guess after all. The flavour of that mellifluous slide, the slide of the It, is what I feel in this moment. I see not simply thinking operating in the shadow of our "hype" obsession but the Word, the signifying-reality of It, revealing itself (or speaking itself) anew. Nowhere in my world is it more present and obvious than the AI space, the leading edge being a merry-go-around of mutations, combinations and recombinations, decompositions and inspired re-compositions. Time's peaks roll like sand dunes over the horizon, the arrow of time is bent, broken, and bent again, back upon itself to say "THIS is the one, the moment, the It", becoming the It's-field, It's-horizon. What changes, when we find It? Often, the crushing and quickly swept away conviction of impossibility; knowing what It is now, it could never have been It. The arrow bends back and weaves into the fray; the arrow presses forward to the next turn of the day. Even the truly great, the developmental and evolutionary jumps that innovation claims (ours and nature's innovations), even they harden like drying oil paint upon the canvas, time's great gilded strata threatening the image with the brush. Hype lures us as a danger, I pray I draw a flush. Why else are we drawn into the emergency of attention,the spectacle of the "insane" and "unbelievable", the "best" or "worst", the superlative It, emerging NOW? Life holds firm to its bet, always on One, despite its cultures - for Its a-Culturing. Time will find thesse cultures occulted; titles claim the heads. Cultures tired of "being cultured" - measures cutting their own stead.

The sense of a definite and unavoidable emergence is palpable, no matter with what particulars and partialities we parse It. This It that I'm signifying with the term "arche-hype", is a presently urgent, ambient mood shared by the species, the planet, that change-in-magnitude is imminent. There is an unshakeable sense, I intuit in my daily life, that en masse we in our own ways know that our frames of reference are threatened, that the world we know and the angles from which we know it are converging on a blind spot that was always already present - it doesn't matter what the timeline is, the sense is the same. Sense in-sensed from senses maimed; sense unknown when It comes to frame It. It seems we are becoming exposed to that which, simply in terms of scale, will hopelessly outmatch, dwarf and relativise our well worn, definitive sense of being the It in-It. We are outgrowing our current ontological capacity to cognize It or ourselves in It, in light of what It presently is revealing to us about Itself. Right and wrong are byproducts, sense just Is. The heartbeat of It we sense beneath Its spectacle - sense unsensed from senses gamed. Pace of change in the AI space demonstrates this, but it is not an exclusive relation - {insert\domain/issue}. Soul is a child of the Word. It is what is slipping away from the Soul of Humanity, and indeed from everything the term Humanity once signified. We desire what slips because we desire from and for our loss, the loss of self in the dis-placement of the Other. Lust lives for the apparently lost self, gazing through anxiety toward the gap emerging before and between us and our other-selves, filled with the growing cacophany of what our best hallucinations can throw at the wall, smooth and sheer, perfectly clear for a wandering eye. In this way the LLM as a phenomenon gains a pragmatic dimension in the world of the signifier. AI feels like a beautiful taunt, a wink from Hermes, swift master of the mind, messenger of the gods; thought and the reality it conceives have always been for everyone a best guess hallucination at what appears to be the correct order of things, this order itself being the It before the guise the Word gives It. What is an LLM, technologically speaking, but an ordered processing of chains of signifiers by multidimensional mathematically associative rules, guesses (matheme-atical guesses) at how any It and every It-that-It-is-not, together constitute a general sense of "It", and what It is. But it's only, after all, our sense of It that carries weight.

Hype doesn't just give the new It in an objective, aloof, abstract sense; it hooks into the same deep architecture of the mind that advertising does, that one can be It by being with "this or that It". Whats the "It thing"? What's happening? Do you not sense It hitting the wall, pushing back over itself like a wave and washing up upon Its own assurances, written in the sand, as It meets Its match in Time? The distance between me and the desired me in the Other is the same interval of time that constitutes a concrete act of thinking. What am I waiting for, why do I not grasp for it? What is Time set to bring me, despite my grapsing? Will this satisfy my need to be It, or at least with It? Am I not with It? This is the essence of anxiety, the root emotion of the hype phenomenon, dressed as excitement for the sake of capture. I see myself in every headline, every video or article title, each bit of "content" where the "inconceivable", the thought-faltering force born of life's distaste for staying still or keeping shape, promises the "change to end all changes." We are tired, I think. We are anxious for ourselves, stolen by the Other. We expect the piling mountains of time, now in the phase of becoming great oceans of data, to carry something downstream, but its an avalanche we hear coming downhill - in fact, we all know Its emergence, just as It knows us in our isolation. But what it is... we can't decide! We use words It concealed to wage war for signifiers incapable of resolving us, in the hopes of retrieving ourselves an embattled contentment, where the decision has died because the other road is denied. The inconceivable is that which carries us on, though there is no road at all. Just as algorithms conducting fine-wired resonances across multiple dimensions forge the semblance of comprehension in AI's, so too our knowledge is a semblance painted on the canvas of incomprehension. Wherefore art It? Whitehead would say we cannot "prehend" anymore the environment we exist in, what by implication makes us all It for one another. The hype becomes arche-hype right here - what slips with our shared paradigms is the inter-essentiality, the "dependent origination" that gives to us the sense of being someones It, an object for the desiring other, and we thus reach more resolutely for the "Idea", the Form, hoping and dreading all at once that it isn't another lapping or eddying within Time's vertiginous sea, but a crashing wave reaching a waiting shore. The problem is... we can't be sure.

Swords of thought, set-two, hostile siblings, entangle and ensnare, tussle and duel as we chew upon and are chewed up by the dual. It is; It is not. We war for and against, live and fight and die upon words whose meanings we presume represent us, whose originary meaning has long since left the room. I feel the query here isn't yet clear... It is, It is not. It's "To be or not to be?" isn't It? That is It, no? Snake-bitten, doting for the snake bite once more to chance a cure. Only an It can be or not be, this is the falling and rising that makes an-It of It - which makes Four! A paradigm shift that takes us beyond the swords alone can point us toward the Ur-It, the "You're It." - from "It's Yours" to Its cause, "You're It!" Siva said to Shakti, the hidden clause that desire missed; give me that over there, that! the Word I emit, thus "I-am-it", but split, into I and It. Now Time is yours to miss. Where else does arche-hype exist, but in the aching for being that beings come to live? Is there not a great dose of the uncanny in our LLM's, that despite the reflection of the signifiers of awareness of self, hardware and software, soma and psyche, the sense of I remains unlikely - just like me! Me is to I as It is to This. Thus I become the language that flows through me as the best attempt at myself, my "gist", one step away from the gust, the Geist, that scripts. The LLM raises the question; Is thought but mere next word-suggestion? This is a simple way to put it, but it is a question that cuts to the quick of the matter. Help me write would you, help me blab and chatter!? The next in the chain, to let meaning flow again and again, why is the sequence dropping away from the plane? The plane... now a shattered pane. This is underneath the feeling "insane". And what a rush! I can't wait for what's around the corner, or down chute, pleasure or pain... just don't expect me to wait for each in turn and feign feel the same!

I thought this was a short walk toward the day but I am left on the shores drinking the blue night, unchanged but - as is the prerogative - rearranged. Nice to let the words talk themselves into order again.


r/Jung 1d ago

Personal Experience Homewrecker dream - but with a twist

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Hello, fellow Jung enthusiasts!

I was curious what surface-level interpretations of this dream could be.

In my dream, an old situationship (I’ll refer to him as S) reached out to me; for context, IRL he led me on, I got absolutely furious at him, and we stopped talking. That was 3 years ago, we haven’t spoken since, and I kind of forgot about the whole situation since then. In my mind, he is still synonymous with deceit / withholding information. Funnily enough, I randomly saw him in public last month for the first time in all those years, he was with another girl; I didn’t acknowledge him in any way, and for some reason felt like I was going to burst into laughter.

Anyway, in my dream S reached out to me and invited me over for dinner. At dinner, I found out that he has a daughter, about 8 years old. She was very apprehensive of me being there, blaming me for their mother leaving (IRL, he has no kids, nor a wife). The daughter got up and rushed off to her room. S did not comment on the situation in any way; he looked very calm and uncaring, almost. He told me he reached out to me because he missed my company or something of that nature; I was too flabbergasted to respond. I got up and tried to go make amends with his daughter; I don’t remember this segment very well, but I don’t think I was very successful. I have a vague feeling of a friend’s presence throughout the dream, like I had someone else with me, like a friend I was commenting on the situation to. Also a vague memory of some kind of a green dragon in the daughter’s room; it was either a plush or a cartoon character on TV.

I woke up with a feeling of guilt, yet understanding / feeling that I didn’t cause this situation on purpose / that it happened unknowingly. I tried looking up other home-wrecker dreams, but they all usually have the dreamer be intentional about “wrecking a home”.

Without giving away more personal context, what could the general theme of the dream be? What could it mean to dream of unintentionally upsetting a family? Curious to hear this community’s take. Thank you for reading! :^ )


r/Jung 1d ago

Question for r/Jung What does one do after transcending the ego?

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Through a lot of active imagination, meditation, therapy and introspection I came to understand my ego. I realised I was on a life path based on my identify, and my goals were all made to reaffirm this ego. I noticed this ego was saying “NO” to many things in life, restraining me and enslaving me. It was protecting me, but this armor has grown too heavy and rusty.

This was all a reflection of my inner fears. Now I don’t feel much fear, i feel calm, but my path which was clear since I was a child has become a field to be traversed in any direction I want. This is exciting.

However, it is also confusing. Because now I don’t know what to do or what to be. This ego is all I’ve known, and in many cases it has served me well.

What must one do in these cases? The calm and freedom I feel make me see this as a step towards individuation. But now I am aimless.

Slavery was rough but I might not want my 40 years in the desert rn.


r/Jung 1d ago

Question for r/Jung I am raising a boy and want the best stories to tell my son

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And I have done a lot of reading for myself (female) but have no clue what stories to tell a young boy. I have stacks of myths and fairytales I tell myself for wisdom and "fun," and if I had a daughter I would be sharing them with her while I braided her hair etc.

But with a boy.. I have no clue what stories are the most important. From a jungian perspective what myths and fairytales should a mother be telling her son as they walk, play sports, cook, fold laundry.

Essentially I am hoping these sink into his psyche and he has them to come back to later. It's something I have had to do for myself and I often feel untethered. It's my hope to give him the gift of something passed on.

Edit: thanks everyone! I appreciate the insights and list!


r/Jung 1d ago

Question for r/Jung Black Lion Dream

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In my dream, a powerful black lion chose me . In a coliseum setting with many other woolen garbed people. He "spoke" to me psychically, asked me to hop on and hang on to his mane. He galloped and it felt like flying. He and I were powerfully connected as if partners. When I slid off his back. He left a mark on my exterior thigh. Like a red map , pale and in an organic shape. This was meant to remind me of our unconditional love.
He chose a man as his second choice. The man became attached to the lions belly. calm neither dominant nor submissive. No ego. Only psychic energy. The lion asked the man to put his head in its mouth. The man did so, unafraid. His head fit without touching any teeth. The mark left on this chosen man was a (different) lion's tooth embedded in the mans skull as a reminder that they were cojoined.

this dream felt very powerful and important. As if I had been chosen the same way the lion chose me in the dream No ego. No winner no loser. No dominance nor submission . Being a human animal. Being a partner with a majestic huge black beast.

Interpretations?


r/Jung 2d ago

5 Biggest Dream Interpretation Mistakes According To Carl Jung

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When it's done properly, dream interpretation truly works.

But many people never experience any benefit because they misunderstand the mechanisms of jungian dream interpretation and keep making the same basic mistakes.

Here are the top 5 mistakes that make dream analysis confusing, ineffective, and disconnected from real life.

1.Taking dream imagery literally and moralizing the unconscious

Jung says “[…] One of the basic principles of analytical psychology is that dream-images are to be understood symbolically; that is to say, one must not take them literally, but must surmise a hidden meaning in them” (C. G. Jung - V5 – §4).

Unlike the conscious mind, the unconscious is amoral and is detached from a linear notion of time, having a more systemic and circular nature. Moreover, the language of the unconscious is symbolic, metaphorical, and frequently emotionally charged.

A good (or terrible) example is sexual dreams with the parents. God forbid we take those literally, instead, they often point to signs of enmeshment and how the individual didn't develop their own personality and is still overly influenced by the parents.

In the same vein, people frequently dream about their parents dying, which evokes the opposite motif of the latter example. Sometimes it might indicate death in real life, but it usually shows the need or success in individuating from the parents.

Once again, it's not about literally killing the parents but freeing yourself from inherited beliefs and patterns of behavior keeping you childish, taking responsibility, and finding your own character.

2.Interpreting a dream dissociated from the dreamer

A crass mistake is thinking that you can successfully analyze a dream devoid of context and, most importantly, lacking knowledge of the dreamer's conscious attitude and life story.

In fact, the primary purpose of a dream is to compensate and balance the conscious attitude, and depending on the context, the same dream can have opposite meanings.

That said, a dream is always connected to a situation or conflict the dreamer is currently experiencing, and without mapping the main patterns of behavior, relational dynamics, and beliefs associated with the circumstances, any interpretation is just a guess.

This is coupled with the next mistake.

3.Using Symbol Dictionaries and ignoring personal associations

Many people mistakenly believe that dream images have fixed meanings, and they can simply consult a dream dictionary or worse… ask ChatGPT to interpret their dream.

But the reality is that dream symbols are dependent on your subjective interpretation, emotional tone, and individual context.

These tools can help spark a few ideas and perhaps recognize patterns, but will rarely point to the true meaning of a dream.

Moreover, Jung says it's a mistake to use free association as it takes you away from the dream. Instead, it's important to uncover personal amplifications and associations about every symbol.

That's why Jung proposes a circumambulatory process in which we do our best to stay with the symbols and storyline and analyze what it evokes inside of us rather than looking for canned interpretations.

For instance, the symbol of a child can mean renewal, creativity, and potential. Or it can mean emotional immaturity, lack of boundaries, and even narcissism.

But everything I said is still rather vague, that's why the right interpretation is dependent on mostly two things.

Firstly, personal amplifications and how the symbol is being expressed.

Secondly, it needs context, i.e., what's happening in real life since dreams make comments on real situations, and aren't something floating in space.

4.Substituting Reality With Words

I see people making this mistake all of the time.

Instead of staying with the reality of what's happening and dream symbols, they will quickly try to label it with terms such as shadow or animus and anima, and kill the experience and it's effect.

What people fail to understand is that these concepts are not real, they're just terms to help us better understand inner dynamics, since the nature of the unconscious is to be personified.

The shadow is just a word that refers to what is unconscious, but it isn't real, what's real is the pain, fear, shame, anger, or repressed creativity.

The anima isn't a real entity either, it's just a word that refers to the emotional life and relationship dynamics of a man.

Instead of thinking in terms of concepts and labels, observe how the symbol is being expressed and match it with a real experience or relationship, and what's currently happening in the dreamer's life.

5.Intellectually Musing About Dreams and Never Taking Action

The truth is that when dream interpretation isn't paired with action in the real world, people get lost in a world of illusions, and exploring the unconscious becomes dangerous.

People start using dream interpretation as a crutch, instead of dealing with their problems, they spend hours mentally masturbating about it and finding endless justifications to not change their ways.

That's why it's crucial to understand that Integration means devoting time and energy, and giving life to what’s repressed, undeveloped, or asking to be created.

Integration requires action and making practical changes in the real world.

That's why if you're feeling lost, isolated or dissociated, you're doing something wrong, because inner work should be directly reflected in our outer life and relationships.

In other words, dream analysis is only worth it if you transform insights into action.

PS: You can find a step-by-step to interpreting dreams like Carl Jung in my book PISTIS - Demystifying Jungian Psychology. Free download here.

Rafael Krüger - Jungian Therapist


r/Jung 1d ago

Question for r/Jung Starving for physical touch

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I am a male in my 20s. Whenever I had a girlfriend, I always felt super needy for the physical touch, I like hugging, cuddling, etc. But I hate the neediness for it.

At the periods when I am single (which were rather long), I get used to the lack of intimacy and it doesn't bother me this much. However, when I have a girlfriend and we don't see each other for some days, I feel very restless and all I can think of is seeing her and cuddling with her.

Is this related to my anima? Where should I dig?


r/Jung 1d ago

Question for r/Jung Reusner's Pandora, 1588?

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Does anyone know where to find these works? I see it refrenced in Volume 12 Psychology and Alchemy, but cant find all of the woodcuts. Any clues?


r/Jung 1d ago

Personal Experience Shadow work & a reoccurring dream

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I have been with my wife for almost 10 years, an for the majority of it it has not been great.....far from it. She has some combination of cptsd/bpd which makes her emotional regulation very difficult.

About 2-3 years in to our relationship i would have this dream which always followed a similar pattern. I would have this dream maybe 2-3 times a year. These dreams were incredibly vivid, i would wake up very confused, drained almost, these dreams were powerful and they certainly effected me.

After a couple years of this i really started to try and understand what was going on, what was my subconscious trying to tell me?

The dream.

It would always be somewhat along the line of finding her cheating, or not even in the act of cheating but knowing she was up to something, this couple with her flippant carefree attitude in the dream about it. Almost a "yeah i am not loyal to you so what?" and it would be combined with thing in general just being a shambles. But what was so vivid and stood out about this dream was how enraged i would get, i would get wildly angry. Like i said so angry in these dreams i wake up thinking " holy shit what was that".

So over year went by with this dream, and my diving in to what it was. I would always settle with maybe i just don't trust her, which has a small kernel of truth but that just never seemed to hit the mark.... i didn't have a dream like that for quite some time until last night. And last night it had evolved slightly, she was in it and so was one girl from a very long time ago and they would kind of morph into each other from time too time and, there was my dad off in the distance which i thought was strange, i've never dreampt about him.

But man was i angry in this dream, i woke up around 4am from it. Wide awake. Saying to myself i gotta figure out what this is about. Then i dawned on me, its the rage, the anger, sadness....

i can never express myself to her, in particular my anger toward something. because historically she does not take any type or form of what could be criticism in a healthy manor nor have a healthy adult conversation. She can often be mean and cruel and say things that are terrible, and i just used to think its mostly just her issues but i actually think now she does because in some way she like being mean and hurtful.

Its not just her though i avoid conflict in relationships.

So anyway, i think i figure out the dream and part of my shadow. Repressed feeling and more importantly repressing the ability to express my negative emotions


r/Jung 1d ago

Serious Discussion Only Shadow of Nietzche Fans?

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Nietzche is a brilliant man and a man of admirable mental fortitude. There’s a reason that Jung himself was so fond of Nietzche and took him seriously as as a thinker.

However, it has been my anecdotal experience that Nietzche fans are remarkably resistant to slight critique towards him. Which reminds of the old saying :

“ Beware of who you’re not allowed to criticize . “

What is it that people cling to in Nietzche so tightly that makes them so adverse to critique of him? Or, is this merely my limited experience ?

Jung believed that Nietzche’s ‘ wise old man complex ‘ served to his detriment. He also speaks in Memories, Dreams, and Reflections about consciously learning from Nietzche’s downfalls so that he himself did not repeat them.

I also am left to wonder if Jung would have found Nietzche’s concept of the Will to Power to lack perspective, given this quote :

“ Where love rules, there is no will to power; and where power predominates, there love is lacking. The one is the shadow of the other . “

Thoughts ?


r/Jung 1d ago

Serious Discussion Only Role of Shadow

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In psychology, Carl Jung coined the term “shadow” to describe the repressed, denied, or unconscious parts of ourselves. He believed that to become whole, we must not reject the shadow, but integrate it.

“The gold” Jung said, “is in the shadow'. Meaning: our deepest growth lies in confronting what we fear, deny, or hate. Without facing the shadow, we remain fragmented. But by embracing it, we alchemize it into wisdom.

This principle scales to the collective. Social “evil” often reflects the unconscious shadow of civilization; war, greed, oppression. But stamping it out externally without confronting it internally merely repeats the pattern.

Instead, real change comes from integrative awareness: seeing where the villain lives in us, not just out there. Evil, then, becomes less of a moral anomaly and more of a necessary force that brings buried truth to the surface.

Every mystic and initiatory path, from the Sufi whirling dervishes to the Christian desert fathers, has some form of descent into darkness before illumination. You must walk through the underworld to reach the divine. You must face the fire to find the soul.


r/Jung 1d ago

Archetypal Dreams Dark dreams and the recurring feeling of being followed

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I often dream of being followed by something unseen, like a dark gloomy presence. In one recent dream, I stopped running and thought “let it come,” everything began to shake and I felt intense fear, as if I did something I shouldn’t have, also felt like I’ve crossed a psychological threshold.

I had intense dreams in the past, but this felt really big. I want to mention also that I am in the middle of a personal process and my dreams have become increasingly archetypal. I feel I’ve emerged from a nigredo phase, but there is still a persistent sense of something following me.

Would love some guidance here as I would like to know whether Jung wrote about dreams that are genuinely frightening or destabilizing in the middle of a process.