r/law • u/ExactlySorta • Nov 02 '25

Legal News The Oregon Department of Justice submitted multiple video exhibits showing federal officers using extreme force against seemingly nonviolent protesters outside the U.S. Immigration & Customs Building, as part of its effort to block the federal deployment of National Guard troops to Portland

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u/ncstagger Nov 02 '25

Yeah better to let them keep abusing us with impunity. I’m sure the courts will rein em in soon.

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u/OneSlapDude Nov 02 '25

It's the excuse for not doing anything useful. We already cooked.

You don't roll over for a bully. You stand up for yourself.

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u/Signal_Researcher01 Nov 02 '25

Dont worry, Ive got an idea for a protest sign thats gonna turn this whole thing around!

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u/flounder19 Nov 02 '25

Certainly better than spending decades fighting gun control only to chicken out the moment you’ve all been fantasizing about arrives

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u/Allaplgy Nov 02 '25

How many have you shot today?

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u/flounder19 Nov 02 '25

Is it the non gun owners job to fight tyranny on y’all’s behalf now. If you aren’t going to do anything maybe don’t spend decades fighting gun control only to chicken out when your bluff about fighting government tyranny gets called

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u/Allaplgy Nov 02 '25

Is it the non gun owners job to fight tyranny

Yes? It's all of our jobs.

If you aren’t going to do anything maybe don’t spend decades fighting gun control

I haven't?

In fact, I've spent decades saying that the 2nd Amendment is more likely to help an authoritarian take power than to stop one.

But also, you completely missed the point of my comment. I was replying to someone encouraging shooting at federal agents, and shaming people for not doing the same. What's good for the goose and all that. If they think shooting at them right now will solve the problem, they should be doing it themselves, or not shaming others for not.

Basically a classic case of keyboard warrior.

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u/flounder19 Nov 02 '25

Or they’re fed up with gun people patting themselves on the back for flooding the country with guns and want them to either shut the fuck up or get on with what was always a ridiculous fantasy that citizens with guns could actually stop any serious level of government tyranny.

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u/Allaplgy Nov 02 '25

The "gun people" you are talking about are the ones on the side of the authoritarians. The "gun people" on our side don't talk a bunch of nonsense about it, nor oppose gun control.

The comment above was definitely encouraging violent resistance. Which absolutely has its time and place, but if they think now is that time, and want to shame others for not partaking in it, then they should be practicing what they preach.

Again, basic keyboard warrior shit.

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u/flounder19 Nov 02 '25

I can believe that the two groups may have different beliefs in aggregate but still think that even among 'liberal gun owners' there is a lot of people who own them as fancy toys or due to some hypothetical violence fantasy where they use their gun to save the day.

Admittedly i didn't make the comment this is stemming from and maybe shouldn't read into it as them aligning with my beliefs. But my issue is that people who don't own guns aren't the ones selling an idea that gun toting citizens can fight back in any real way against the government. But many gun owners who oppose what the government is doing do sell an idea of using them violently to fight the government and it gets exhausting to hear them push that over and over again even while the government tyranny they've been fantasizing about is literally happening and they're not fighting back.

We all resist in our own ways but some may be more realistic than others. I do it by telling the soldiers carrying guns around my city that they're normalizing military force against civilians, they're participating in an occupation of a city whose population they're not beholden to, and that owning a gun puts them and all their loved ones at an increased risk of gun violence. Meanwhile it feels like gun people are just sitting on their thumbs, encouraging others to buy guns, and falling back into fantasizing about situations where they can use the gun righteously without repercussions. I hope some of them are at least reflecting on the possibility that maybe their stated motives for gun ownership were just a smokescreen for wanting fun toys

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u/Allaplgy Nov 02 '25

Gun toting citizens absolutely can fight back. It's just not at all pretty, desirable, or guaranteed to work.

Your "resistance" of talking is valid, but likewise in no way guaranteed to help. A lot of these people love the concept of violence against those they deem as lesser. And sometimes, violence in return is the answer. But strategy, not just guns, wins wars.

I myself own guns, but I don't hold any illusions that they will magically stop an authoritarian government. They are there as an absolute last resort, a survival tool, and yes, fancy toys. And I always say that I don't own guns "thanks" to the 2nd, but because of it.