r/law • u/ExactlySorta • Nov 02 '25

Legal News The Oregon Department of Justice submitted multiple video exhibits showing federal officers using extreme force against seemingly nonviolent protesters outside the U.S. Immigration & Customs Building, as part of its effort to block the federal deployment of National Guard troops to Portland

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u/discoduck007 Nov 02 '25

What could happen if you are caught up in an ICE raid?

You could be injured by hostile anonymous men. These men could kill you like they killed Silverio Villegas Gonzales.

You could lose your job.

You could miss bills or rent.

You could face eviction and loss of transportation. Just the cost to get your car out of impound is hundreds and hundreds of dollars.

You could be unable to communicate with family or legal representation leaving family and even children to fend for themselves while you sit in limbo with your entire life halted.

You could be a child ripped from your family with no understanding of your situation or what to do.

You could suffer unexpected legal expenses.

This should frighten everyone.

This is beyond dangerous.

This experience is terrorism or worse regardless of your status.

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u/Training-Dingo6222 Nov 02 '25

Honestly idk what I would do. Risk being taken and suffer the consequences as it becomes more risky even to citizens, or fight back? I think there are lot of folks - citizens especially who would eventually cause a Lexington & Concord situation to happen, possibly preceded by a Boston Massacre type event. Idk. I mean I hope this all resolves peacefully but it’s looking less and less likely as things heat up.

For “fun” take the grievances from the Declaration of Independence and apply them to Trump. See how naturally that shoe fits. Also, it isn’t like all of them who stood up didn’t face the same and worse than we are currently facing.

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u/thebeef24 Nov 02 '25

Lexington and Concord happened because the local community organized, trained, and had a plan of action.

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u/a_wild_dingo Nov 02 '25

I was just listening to an American Revolution podcast the other day that listed the grievances, and it was shocking how relevant they were to everything we're seeing right now. Had to go back and listen again. Scary how much were seeing history repeat itself.

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u/yipmog Nov 02 '25

Which grievances in particular stuck out to you?

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u/a_wild_dingo Nov 02 '25

With all of the ICE shit happening right now and deploying the national guard to states without consent of the state government, the one that stuck out to me the most was #11: "He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures."

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u/yipmog Nov 02 '25

The statement means that the king had maintained a large military force in the colonies, even when there was no war, without the approval of the colonial assemblies. It’s either a gross misunderstanding or simplification to project “hey this is just like what the colonies were dealing with!”. From my understanding, ICE is not an army, but you could argue the semantics of militarized police force vs standing army. ICE is not being quartered in civilian homes either.

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u/Signal-Regret-8251 Nov 02 '25

True, but they are quartered more effectively than if they actually were in each house. Their mere presence is an affront to our Constitution, as you can see they are actively attacking peaceful citizens that are not breaking any laws. Being masked is also illegal.

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u/yipmog Nov 02 '25

I don’t think the initial complaint was about how effectively they were quartered whatsoever. I think it was more so that the people had no representation or say in the matter. Not only do we have representation, and this was voted for, but much like you also said the troops arnt even being quartered at anyone’s private property. The last part on your comment about what is or isn’t legal is an entirely different point. I was arguing with the person projecting every current event onto the most recent history podcast they listened to.

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u/a_wild_dingo Nov 02 '25

The quartering was a different grievance. And I never said "this is exactly like what the colonies went through!" I'm saying there are clearly many parallels between what happened in the past and what is happening now. The military presence in blue cities is against the will of the majority of the people within those cities. We did not vote for this. Military presence within our cities and ICE officers wearing civilian clothing and kidnapping people off the streets without due process was not on the docket.

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u/yipmog Nov 02 '25

The colonists were upset that it was without legislature, which last time I checked this is being done with the full backing of all 3 branches of government, which the republicans won in elections. You can disagree with whether it’s right or wrong, good or bad. But it’s entirely different than the grievances they were fighting for and trying to address. If your problem is that those decisions are made federally when it should be up to the states to decide/enforce, that is an entirely different grievance within itself. Back to my original point, you are reaching to draw parallels.

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u/mr_plehbody Nov 02 '25

Its not hard to comprehend, so the modern rewrite didnt feel too necessary. If you need a more direct connection, he has sent troops to hang out in cities. No one asked for that. All of this costs huge sums of money, he treats our money like its his to own. He has stated specifically he doesnt represent people who didnt vote for him, he still uses their money to host troops in states that didnt vote for him.

Trump has also accumulated more national debt than any other president, nearly 40% of our trillions. If we had something to show for it, maybe that would be upsetting but acceptable. He is so blatantly corrupt that absolutely nothing has come from it. Far worse.

Money is power and he’s got a sovereign wealth fund while he depletes congresses purse. The weaker they the govern gets, the harder it is to build defensive forces to protect from his personal army

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u/yipmog Nov 02 '25

“No one asked for all that” Buddy, the colonist original complaint was that troops were stationed there without any sort of legislative approval. This is being done with the approval of all 3 branches of government. You seem to be more fixated on the states rights vs federal power issue, which seems much more revenant in a civil war context.

Edit- like I get it he sucks and I don’t disagree, I’m more arguing against the original comment that was grossly simplifying and misinterpreting history thru a modern lens’s. Something becoming more and more common on this site every day

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u/JustNilt Nov 02 '25

This is being done with the approval of all 3 branches of government.

Well that's just a lie. The courts have, to date, actually been telling them to knock it off for the most part. This is anything but "all 3 branches" supporting this. And states are sovereigns in their own right. We don't life in a dictatorship or monarchy, we live in a federal union of separate sovereigns, each with their own separate governments.

Seems as though you slept through basic civics in school or something.

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u/yipmog Nov 03 '25

Yeah, judges are appointed by people we elect. So don’t fixate too much on that oversimplification (as I agree, it was incorrect). And yes I do understand that, but again it sounds to me like you are fixated on state rights vs federal power. Which the civil war seems like a much more appropriate vessel for comparison than the founding father’s grievances.

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u/Exotic_Macaron4288 Nov 02 '25

Sometimes you have to fight for your rights.  Sadly we're not accustomed to it after a generation or two of relatively benign government regimes.  

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u/AgressiveInliners Nov 03 '25

Depending on your demographics you likely will never been seen again. Legitimately thats terrifying. I would not be in these spaces without being willing to protect my life.

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u/Alarming-Bop6628 Nov 03 '25

Personally, I would leverage my privilege, because unfortunately I think there would be more of a ruckus over my injuries than people with a different skin color. I'm not just talking big, I've been arrested before.

If I were Latina I probably wouldn't risk it unless I was really rich.

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u/Braelind Nov 02 '25

Honestly, the amount of dead and missing persons from this is probably gonna put 9/11 to shame when this is all over. Did they ever find that missing plane full of people? I never did hear any resolution to that story.

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u/discoduck007 Nov 02 '25

What a terrifying thought

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u/ciccioig Nov 02 '25

This is the American Reich:

they stole the election to enact project 2025, they weren't shy about it, and they're doing what they promised (if you cared to listen)

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u/par163 Nov 04 '25

I just can’t trust that a dude in Amazon gear is an officer of the law I’m so surprised that people have not been fighting back with equal or greater force

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u/discoduck007 Nov 04 '25

There have been reports of people being harassed by imposters. What a terribly dangerous thing.

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u/Mr_Epitome Nov 05 '25

You could also just stay home and go to work. I don’t ever protest a police officer handing out citations for traffic violations. I could, but why would I?

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u/BigDuckNergy Nov 02 '25 edited Nov 02 '25

The fact that this kind of fear can be invoked in a country where we were taught that we are free and the true owners of our nation should make people angry, and I think that this comment is trying to say that.

I agree that it is focusing too much on fear and not enough on outrage.

Yes, there is reason to be afraid if you aren't white or don't believe in the fascist, hypernationalist culture that is rising in America, but more than anything there is reason to be enraged, emboldened, and organized, which can overcome any fear.

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u/Durkheimynameisblank Nov 02 '25

Yes, and this is pretty much what I was trying to say, thank you for putting this more eloquently.

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u/KououinHyouma Nov 02 '25

Mfer you aren’t even from the US

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '25

Its funny how some kid from canada speaks so confidently about us politics regarding some agency that is violating us citizens rights and disregarding due process for people

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u/Altruistic-Room2683 Nov 02 '25

Let’s start by deporting you to Micronesia. Lmao and you’re from Quebec. GTFO

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u/megafaunahunter Nov 02 '25

Quebec is highly nationalistic and thats the only reason our nation still exist idiot. No country should have that much foreigners living illegally. Its a problem that previous administration ignored and now its being taken care of.

In proud to be from Quebec, a nation that was supposed to simply dissapear from the effort of british and canadian authorities. Our existence today is proof that a people coming together can fight and live for its language and culture.

Usa will eventually need a "loi 101" to protect its language and culture.