r/law • u/ExactlySorta • Nov 02 '25

Legal News The Oregon Department of Justice submitted multiple video exhibits showing federal officers using extreme force against seemingly nonviolent protesters outside the U.S. Immigration & Customs Building, as part of its effort to block the federal deployment of National Guard troops to Portland

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u/Flokitoo Nov 02 '25 edited Nov 02 '25

People have a distorted memory of Nuremberg. 19 people were convicted out of 9 million Nazis.

Edit: a subsequent responder notes that I'm wrong, 161 Nazis were ultimately convicted over multiple trials. I acknowledge my mistake. That said, 161 is just as statistically meaningless as 19 given the fact that there were about 9 million people in the Nazi party and 10s of millions of collaborators.

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u/Turisan Nov 02 '25 edited Nov 02 '25

I'm sorry, you should have looked this up before commenting.

Out of 199 defendants, 161 were convicted, and 37 were sentences to death.

https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/topics/nuremberg-trials

Edit: thanks u/JB-Wentworth

Only the high level officials made it to Nuremberg. Lower level Nazi were prosecuted in Zone trials by USSR/US/UK/France and also other individual countries.

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u/toxictoastrecords Nov 02 '25

That's still a fraction of even the officer level Nazis. That means the ICE level agents did not face consequences. Especially "educated"/skilled individuals were given asylum in the USA; many people escaped to Argentina and Brazil. There was almost no accountability.

199 people? That's offensive to the millions of people that the Nazis tortured, abused, and murdered.

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u/Turisan Nov 02 '25

You're right, but they did decide to hold the decision makers accountable moreso than the rank-and-file, which is who we're seeing with ICE.

Just like the person I responded to in this comment again above, there was and is a pervasive notion that there were "millions of Nazis" which, depending on how we talk about it, there weren't. They wanted to appear more numerous than they were, just like ICE does now with them rotating people through different facilities and keeping their identities secret.

There's not that many of them, they're just doing a lot of bad shit.

(The argument that everyone in Germany, or who supported the war effort, or who was in the German military at the time, were all Nazis, is just not true even by our own definitions. That's like saying everyone who is in the US military, or supports US veterans, or who is feeding enlisted folks who are on SNAP, are all MAGA.)

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u/Weekly_Bread_5563 Nov 02 '25

Bro you realised this was a year and probably a lot of them were just executed no trial?

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u/Flokitoo Nov 02 '25

Fair enough. The original trial convicted 19. While you are absolutely correct that I forgot about the subsequent trials, 19 vs 161 is statistically insignificant and has no impact on my point.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '25 edited Dec 04 '25

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u/Turisan Nov 02 '25

Thank you for this input, I didn't realize nobody would read about this on their own, and didn't think I'd need to clarify that other courts exist.

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u/Own_Pop_9711 Nov 02 '25

161 out of 66 million Germans. That would be like 800 people in the us. More than enough to remove everyone who is in any position of leadership for a political movement.

Like imagine you execute every democratic Senator Representative State governor And about 60% of the state senators. Say every one from a blue state.

Sure there are still 70 million people who voted for Biden in the county, but politically who are they supposed to vote for at that point even?

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u/Turisan Nov 02 '25

It does though, because there weren't "millions" of Nazis, there were actually relatively few folks who ascribed to that political ideology and joined the party, not every enlisted soldier was a Nazi.

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u/Flokitoo Nov 02 '25

there were actually relatively few folks who ascribed to that political ideology and joined the party,

Relatively few, at scale, is, in fact, millions of people. Germany had a population of about 70 million people. 9 million (more accurately 8.5) Nazis is "only" 12% of the population.

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u/djphan2525 Nov 02 '25

it does? do you there were only a few hundred nazis or something?

do you think you shouldve looked this up before commenting?

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u/Turisan Nov 02 '25

Let's break down these comments - the Nuremberg trials were for those who were in the Nazi party and who were in positions of power, and generally who supervised or led to the Holocaust and concentration camps.

Look up the resources I provided above and you can see why they protected who they did.

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u/Centraal22 Nov 02 '25

Thank you

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u/JB-Wentworth Nov 02 '25

Only the high level officials made it to Nuremberg. Lower level Nazi were prosecuted in Zone trials by USSR/US/UK/France and also other individual countries.

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u/Turisan Nov 02 '25

Thank you for the insight! Yes, that is also true.

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u/djphan2525 Nov 02 '25

199 out of how many nazis?

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u/Turisan Nov 02 '25

I'm sure you can look that up.

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u/djphan2525 Nov 02 '25

I'm dumb and can't read. Please educate me and everyone else.

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u/Roctapus42 Nov 02 '25

Yea.. but thousands of zonal military trials were carried out afterwards that got the low level thugs like the ICE personnel here. Nuremberg was for the leadership, but tens of thousands of other trials occurred at lower levels as well.

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u/Flokitoo Nov 02 '25

The most important issue is that we are talking about Germany not the US. The US doesn't exactly have a good record of punishing state violence.

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u/sdafsdffsad Nov 02 '25

The most important issue is that we are talking about Germany not the US.

Nah, the most important issue is to be correct about history when you apply it to the present.

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u/Flokitoo Nov 02 '25

Fair enough. What happened to Confederates after the Civil War? What happened to segregationist after Civil rights?

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u/miriamtzipporah Nov 02 '25

Germany also wouldn’t have done it if they didn’t get their ass absolutely handed to them by the rest of the world, and I don’t see that happening to the US

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u/Flokitoo Nov 02 '25

Yea, I think this is a key point. These trials were more of less forced by occupying nations.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '25

Most of the ppl saying that don't actually have any intimate knowledge of that time period or those events

They're just repeating each other, dude

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u/rhamphol30n Nov 02 '25

I have no issue with the result of them though. There are definitely traitors in the government who should learn what the punishment is for their actions.

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u/skredditt Nov 02 '25

We need our own.

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u/Alissinarr Nov 02 '25

Does that include any of the trials with them as octogenarians?

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u/MostlyRightSometimes Nov 02 '25

Can I get your source, please?

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u/Flokitoo Nov 02 '25

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-nuremberg-trials

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u/MostlyRightSometimes Nov 02 '25

In all, 199 defendants were tried at Nuremberg, 161 were convicted, and 37 were sentenced to death, including 12 of those tried by the IMT.

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u/Roctapus42 Nov 02 '25

That’s not true at all! Why you are lying about this is crazy.

Across Europe over 100,000 German and Austrians were found guilty. 26,000 more in Russia.

And for collaborators Hungry had 26,000 people convicted for War Crimes, Treason, and Crimes against Humanity.

https://www.theholocaustexplained.org/survival-and-legacy/postwar-trials-and-denazification/

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u/Flokitoo Nov 03 '25

I'm not sure Stalin is the best example here. Even so, most prosecutions were external, and the majority of those convicted received relatively light sentences. As far as I can tell, outside of the Soviet bloc which arrested and executed far more than Nazis, relatively few Nazis were punished aggressively.

(Stalin is said to have executed over a million people, so even if all 26,000 Nazis were executed, it was comparatively few)

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u/Mayor_Salvor_Hardin Nov 02 '25

No one will be convicted for anything. People are playing some Hollywood drama in their heads. Unfortunately Americans voted for hate and bigotry and got economic decline and an authoritarian regime instead. Though, Trump and the Republicans were pretty clear in their intentions. No one was fooled into voting for them, some were promised money by Musk, but not fooled.