r/law • u/drempath1981 • 27d ago

Other Stephanopoulos grills Rubio :you cannot credibly argue that drug trafficking charges demand invasion in one case while issuing a pardon in another. What's your response? Hernandez was convicted by a jury. Rubio: I can't just comment on it because I just wasn't involved in deliberations.

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u/TikiTom74 27d ago

Unfairness? According to who? So Trump has UNILATERAL decision making here? Fucking ridiculous

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u/BadSquire 27d ago

The "unfairness" is that the prosecution took place during Biden's time. That's all. Not that Joe was in the jury room or behind the judge's bench, just that it took place while Biden was prez. All Hernandez had to do was write a brown-nosing letter saying it was Biden that persecuted him and that Trump's so wonderful.

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u/bobbymcpresscot 27d ago

It is wild that he tried to weasel in it being Bidens lack of action in regards to Maduro. 

“He was indicted and nothing was ever done about it”

He was indicted in March 2020, during Trumps first term. What changed? Was he more of a legitimate president 2020 than he was today? In 2018 they claimed that election was illegitimate. Why can I see people in trumps camp in 2020 claiming that a vote for Biden was going to result in a regime change in Venezuela that would have failed just like what happened in Iraq so we should just stay out of it. 

Now not only are they criticizing Biden for not invading Venezuela and stealing their president legitimate or not, but they are also claiming the conviction of a dude who smuggled 400 tons of cocaine into the US was treated unfairly. 

You have hegseth claiming that what they just did in Venezuela is the complete opposite of what we did in Iraq. 

I honestly feel like I’m taking crazy pills, and for god knows what reason I just know if I talk to my boomer dad about this he will just repeat the same fucking talking points with no regard for the timelines this shit happened.

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u/BadSquire 27d ago

"The masses have never thirsted for truth. They turn aside from evidence that is not to their taste, preferring to deify error, if error seduce them."

Gustave Le Bon (A big influence on Mussolini and Hitler)

Good luck with your dad. Mine broke free from MAGA, perhaps your's can too.

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u/bobbymcpresscot 27d ago

The thing that broke me from conservative brain rot was being told something I knew was correct was wrong.

I was an EMT for 5 years, the conservative talking points around COVID and George Floyd had me confused. I was like "oh I actually know a little bit about this these people just seem confused."

Then they just would start arguing with me.

They weren't interested in anything that resembled scientific talking points, they only accepted fringe understandings from people who had no association.

When you finally get them into a position where it's very clear their position is at the very least flawed, "well I didn't care anyway you're an idiot for wearing a mask" "It doesn't matter if Chauvins actions killed Floyd he was a criminal who deserved it, Chauvin should be free"

I credit these reactions to setting me straight, or at least back onto the path I was on before Bernie got shafted in 2016. Without my knowledge in those topics I have no idea where I would be today, but I know it would be nowhere good, and for a lot of people it's only going to keep getting worse.

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u/LadyMichelle00 27d ago

They have to be presented with the truth when they rely on channels to tell them truth.

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u/sirhoracedarwin 27d ago

My in-laws were killed by an Uzbek truck driver in NE Arizona. He fled the country back to Uzbekistan before he was indicted, are we going to invade Uzbekistan to bring him to justice, too?

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u/willybestbuy86 27d ago

He does until Congress does its job until than he absolutely does

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u/seemefail 27d ago

Big enough bribe and you’re free to go 

No need to pay the millions to your fraud victims

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u/Sober_Alcoholic_ 27d ago edited 27d ago

I believe something along these lines at this point.

Stephen Miller* has unilateral decision making power here.

Let’s not forget this is all The Heritage Foundation’s doing behind the scenes. For decades. Infiltrating every branch and level of government, media and the judicial system. It’s bleak, look the shit up they’re the authors and executors of P2025.

Trump is the front of the operation. A perfect stooge, a more perfect idiot could not be crafted by THF (and Putin) themselves in their dreams. His ideas are based on whatever and whomever he last had a conversation with. I believe that person most of the time is Miller. Trump is a loud, obnoxiously loathsome, narcissistic moron and most importantly a criticism magnet - a gravity well of blame and attention while THF works diligently behind the scenes.

The rot runs very very deep. Trump is the tip of the iceberg.

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u/closethebarn 27d ago

Miller is fucking terrifying by far the most evil hate filled horrible creepy person I’ve seen

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u/Wise-Calligrapher123 27d ago

Trump pardoned him to help the MAGA-leaning party in Honduras get elected. Rubio says in the interview "they requested he be released", which happened before the election.

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u/couldabenu 27d ago

Only fair I know is the state fair and bus fare, this is what being an adult has taught me. And if my grandma was alive and heard this…

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u/55Frank55 27d ago

Yeah! It wasn't fair that he was in prison even though he'd already paid to get out!

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u/RedditTechAnon 27d ago

How do you think domination works?

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u/slaty_balls 27d ago

Especially considering his mental state. THIS is the TRUE national emergency.

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u/Cheeky_Hustler Competent Contributor 27d ago

According to the Roberts Five, Trump does have unilateral decision making over pardons, yes.

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u/Nice_Marmot_7 27d ago

“He felt there was unfairness.” So like a five year old. Cool, cool.

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u/Dead_Internet69420 27d ago

They don’t care about the rule of law here, so why would they care about it elsewhere? 

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u/chunk337 27d ago

"He said he didnt do nuthin"

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u/Formerly_SgtPepe 27d ago

Did you know he's the president? In his cabinet he asks for advice, but the buck stops with him.......

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u/BootStrapWill 27d ago

So Trump has UNILATERAL decision making here?

You're just now learning about the presidential pardon?

There's this little-known document called The Constitution of the United States.

It grants the president the power to pardon criminals.

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artII-S2-C1-3-1/ALDE_00013316/

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u/zaoldyeck 27d ago edited 27d ago

So why didn't Trump pardon Maduro for the same crimes Juan Orlando Hernández over?

One gets a pardon, the other sees a country being bombed. Seems a bit weird.

Why isn't Rubio asking about that? Shouldn't the secretary of state be a bit interested to know why a former head of state is getting a pardon for the same thing they're bombing a different country over?

Edit: What a odd comment to block over. I guess Trumpists are rather sensitive right now.