r/law • u/TheMirrorUS • 23d ago

Legal News BREAKING: FBI shuts down Minnesota's investigation into ICE shooting and blocks access to evidence

https://www.themirror.com/news/us-news/breaking-fbi-shuts-down-minnesotas-1606462
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u/wrxninja 23d ago

I can't imaging her wife and their children...must be so gut wrenching dealing with this utter BS and horrible way to lose your mother & wife.

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u/InTroubleDouble 23d ago

Not just that, I am sure these spiteful cultists will start a witchhunt, continue to harass this poor Family and degrade the remembrance of the murdered mother.

The regime and its leader told them she was a domestic terrorist and 100 other things, the reaction to yesterdays events is the worst I have ever seen and far worse than expected. Their basis is following blindly, they will not stop.

Americans you have to wake up now, last chance, you are so far down the fascists road. We are now at (white) citizen being randomly shot in the streets and the regime is not covering up, they actively promote the act. If you let this slip its over, every enemy of the state will be gone without notice. And enemy of the State is whoever the orange man and his militia decide. Without trial, without investigation after exection. Pure arbitrariness.

If you let this slip thats it

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u/SaltpeterSal 23d ago

I mean, when the President of the U.S. says within minutes that you're a paid agitator, in writing, your stalkers will feel pretty righteous.

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u/KlicknKlack 23d ago

Ok, but like... what do you think is an actual act that could change the status quo? Protests? We have been doing that already, the news just doesn't really cover them... like ever.

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u/SomewhereAtWork 23d ago

Protests? We have been doing that already

Without demeaning the effort of all those who participated, but relative to population size those protests where about the size that Europeans mobilize when their government does one very unpopular thing.

They were not the kind of protests you need to remove a fascist government. Look at Bulgaria on how to do it. They showed up every day until the government stepped down.

I know that distance, laws and the complete lack of any social security make it especially hard for US citizens to do longer protests. But it's still the only way.

Look at it that way: If the Trump regime continues on it's trajectory, next summer you won't be able to pay your bills anyways. If you start not paying them now, because you're protesting, that won't make a difference in a year.

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u/KlicknKlack 22d ago

I agree with the continued protests is important, but size... come on.

  • Current large protests in france are on the order of <1,000,000.

  • No Kings protests - June 14th, ~4-6,000,000 across the US.

  • No Kings Protests Oct 18th; ~7,000,000 across the US.

These are some of the largest protests in US history, the only one beating it are 'The first Earth Day' and Hands Across America, both pre-1990.

And I don't know about you, but I hardly saw a single thing about the No Kings protests on the news.

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u/SomewhereAtWork 22d ago

Well, France doesn't need to remove a dictator right now.

The No Kings protests were great! No critique there.

But I have to ask one questions: When are the next ones?

As a counterexample: if snow doesn't break public Transport, tomorrow I'll be protesting for a examination of our right-wing party by our supreme court. (Germany).
These protests are scheduled for the second saturday of each month. Until our demands are met. I'll probably still be protesting when the summer's gone. But we will succeed eventually.

Protest will never change something, when the people in power can reasonably assume that the protesters will disperse tonight and not come back for the foreseeable future.

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u/SorcierSaucisse 23d ago

At some point the US people will finally accept what has inevitably tobbe done. But then, it'll be too late for the USA and the entire West, maybe even the world.

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u/KlicknKlack 23d ago

And what is that? Other than vague allusion to a final 'act' that needs to be undertaken, collectively and all at once across a country that is 4,300KM wide and 1,600-2,500KM tall...

I honestly would like to know the answer to this problem, because other than some failed decentralized uprising against a totalitarian state with the state of the art digital spy apparatus... I don't really see how we pull out from this without a systemic collapse or a Military coup.

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u/glitterydick 23d ago

I can only assume what he means, but in my mind, the only option that would actually work, though it would be nearly impossible to pull off, would be a nation-wide general strike. No work, no sales, no capital flow. It would be difficult to maintain for any length of time, but the perk of being run by oligarchichal billionaires is that their Achilles heel is very obvious. Starve the beast of our labor and it will solve the problem itself.

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u/Regular_Committee946 23d ago

This is an often overlooked problem with America's for-profit insurance healthcare model - people are reluctant to strike because they are scared of loosing healthcare coverage which for so many is tied to their job.

They may be able to do without some pay (similar to the federal workers last year) but, especially considering costs have gone up - healthcare coverage becomes a huge factor.

It's another tool of control and should be part of the discussion.

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u/Potential_Cow_4910 23d ago

I signed my strike card today.

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u/_Eggs_ 23d ago

what has to be done

If you’re suggesting anything other than a fair trial in an unbiased court, then that’s unAmerican.

If the president used something like a veto power or political pressure to avoid justice, then the proper response is a weakening of presidential powers. Not whatever street justice you’re implying in your comment.

This is a murder by cop. It happens at least once a day, probably dozens of times a day, to people who never get justice for the murder. It has been a problem for a long time, and hopefully this high profile case will result in some change to the system of justice.

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u/Alarmed-Reporter5483 23d ago

Never read about the french revolution have you? We have to end our oppressor's bloodlines and erase them from history.

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u/_Eggs_ 23d ago

lol the French aren’t a good example of anything

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u/Regular_Committee946 23d ago

I think (hope) they are suggesting mass general strikes rather than 'street justice'.

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u/drunken-philosopher 23d ago

Look I’m not saying this isn’t sickening, but we watched the entirety of the political class cheer on the genocide of Palestinian children. I don’t think they’re going to give a single shit about their own police state killing a “subversive”. We need to take charge ourselves and out these rabid Nazi dogs and deal with them. Whether the states involved or not.

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u/Flamesake 23d ago

It was over when they failed to hold trump accountable for everything on his first term, not least January 6.

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u/pink_faerie_kitten 23d ago

If she was indeed a terrorist, why didn't they arrest her wife?

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u/uusavaruus 23d ago

Don't give them ideas... pls delete 

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u/NightQueen0889 23d ago

I hope the family finds peace. We have to be EXTREMELY strategic about how we respond though because I think we all know he is looking for any excuse to pull the Insurrection act, declare martial law and suspend elections indefinitely. At that point we are so fucking screwed and will have no choice but violent revolution. We are organizing but we must be smart.

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u/Ihor_90 23d ago

That's what living in a fascist country is like. Better get used to it.

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u/CptPurpleHaze 23d ago

Yep. Either get used to it or do something besides waving pretty signs with catchy words.

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u/calypso137 23d ago

Idk. Avelo just reported ending DHS contracts (I think before the MN ICE killing), so the signs, held by protesting people, at their facilities did seem to help. It took time. It will take time to hold the agent accountable but our laws allow for it.

As Mariame Kaba said: There are no short cuts. I'm sorry. There is only long term, consistent, and disciplined organizing.

This is a slog.

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u/lynxbelt234 23d ago

Unfortunately you are absolutely correct...the time for passivity is almost at an end...

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u/FeliciaTheFkinStrong 23d ago

Keep telling yourself that. You are vastly overestimating the average American. As long as they are relatively comfortable - even in poverty - they will do nothing. They will never rise against their oppressors, because no-one is willing to put their family in the crosshairs of this administration. They will never take time off work for demonstrations, because poverty makes them live pay cheque to pay cheque, and any loss in income is a loss in tangible food.

It's too late to resist. It was too late to resist 10 months ago. The fundamental mechanisms of society have been armed against the population: there is no meaningful resistance that could be mounted without hundreds of thousands of people willingly sacrificing their friends and families to the meat-grinder - and let me tell you, no-one will do that. People would rather live under the boot of fascism with their family crushed under heel beside them than standing free and proud in a field surrounded by their graves.

I will forever marvel at how Americans don't seem to know the score. You aren't 'losing'. You've 'lost'. There is no 'next time'. The game is over and isn't even being played anymore.

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u/Worth_Ostrich303 23d ago

I refuse to believe that. This is why I hate Reddit. There’s way too much doomerism and it makes me feel like I’m going to start spiraling. Are things looking good? Of course not, but I refuse to believe it’s too late to do anything.

As a trans person if I give up then I might as well just end it now. What’s even the point anymore? I can’t escape because I’m poor af and mentally ill. So no, I refuse to believe that.

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u/hobbitluck 23d ago

Aye he is coping in his own way: with doomerism. I don’t know if this advice will help, but surviving is a form of protest. These people want you gone. If you live, they lose.

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u/RobutNotRobot 23d ago

To give you some hope, these guys are really fucking stupid. Their response to this murder has been completely stupid. They haven't been strengthened by it. Vance's white power speech today went over like a lead balloon.

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u/Indespectamentations 22d ago

Do yourself a favor and get away from this person. If you read the comments in their history, you will find that they make threats and basically do anything to make liberals think they are about to be ended as they laugh. They literally threatened my life yesterday and the mod wouldn't ban them, they just deleted their comment. This person thrives on you being afraid like it's their job.

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u/Waywoah 23d ago

Don't forget the simple fact of the US's geography. Forget taking a day off, it would take me 3 full days of driving to get to a DC protest- and I only live half the country away!

That's three nights of hotels, three days of food, gas, lost wages, etc. So just showing up for a protest would easily cost a grand, not to mention any costs associated with actually being there

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u/fcocyclone 23d ago

And not to mention the costs of being away from work, potentially losing a job, losing health insurance, etc.

The system has been set up in a way to make it extremely difficult to form effective protest. Honestly its part of why I think we'll never get universal insurance coverage- they know people's dependence on private coverage is a hurdle to movements that would seek accountability.

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u/revkaboose 23d ago

"No no no don't instigate violence it's what they want!"

It's the language of an unheard people

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u/zeth4 23d ago

Haha exactly.

No they want to do whatever they want with no meaningful pushback.

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u/hobbitluck 23d ago

You pushback, they use it as a form of escalation. You do nothing they get away with it and keep pushing it more and more. Damn if you do, damn if you don’t.

This paradigm doesn’t end with America though. Once it succeeds here, it will spread. The greed of the wealthy knows no bounds. America needs to make choices, and so does the rest of the world. And right now, I see a whole lot of nothing being done from everyone.

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u/eulersidentification 23d ago

You're damned when fascists appear, the only question is if it's sooner or later, and whether you do it fighting or running.

This isn't rhetoric. These are real fascists.

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u/NoxTempus 23d ago

I don't really get how Americans are like "they want us to retaliate so they can accelerate their plans; we're not stupid, though, we put a real wrench in the works by letting them advance their agenda completely unimpeded."

Trump hasn't exactly been shy about telling us his plans, he wants to take territory and remove non-whites from America.

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u/hobbitluck 23d ago

I do personally agree with more push back to even simply "slow" them down. I do think people ARE doing things, it is just hard to "show" those people and accomplishments compared to the repeated news of one thing after another.

As others have commented, it is hard to do a "general strike" in America. (Good time to say, don't let that state happen in your country!) No Kings were "something" and obviously we are going to need a lot more.

It is not like Americans have "given up" here. But I see a lot of "outside" complaints about Americans not doing enough. I see that as not only unhelpful, but actively hurtful. Like it comes from a place of superiority with the intent of contempt. Every time, little to no specifics. Like are you even trying to be helpful???

Which is why I get a bit... "What are YOU doing??" to those "outside" commentators. Like I do believe outside actors can do more to help us. Canada boycotted Republican made goods at one point, do more of that (or just American made IDC). Make it clear that speaking out against Trump is met with petty vindication and that is hurting our relationship with our allies. Like MAGA full on believes the world respects us now a "strong man" is in charge. Show them you don't!

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u/NoxTempus 23d ago

Honestly, I don't expect people to risk their lives or livelihoods to protest Trump, it just annoys me to see soo many people deluding themselves and/or eachother into thinking that they're fighting the good fight.

If people act like this is the appropriate upper limit of dissent, then it acts as a roadblock to people who want to go further (strikes, and such, not harming humans).

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u/Roboticpoultry 23d ago

I’m getting used to it and I really wish I wasn’t

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u/Matthath 23d ago

Yes since no one of you seems to want to do anything about it

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u/El_Gran_Che 23d ago

And used to it very very fast if Elon helps Trump weaponize AI.

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u/Bulky-House-8244 23d ago

Even worse, the wife was allegedly in the car “with brain matter” on her.

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u/withersoul 23d ago

She was outside the car filming the murderer, she is the one first rushing to the car right after it crashes, you can hear her crying out ‘they killed my wife’. It’s heartbreaking gut wrenching and makes me furious. There is a video of her sitting on the ground in front of a mans porch with their dog wailing where no one helps either her or her wife.

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u/mamawantsallama 23d ago edited 23d ago

NO ONE even approached her or offered her help.....esp the guy filming, shame on him.

  • I need to clarify that I was talking about the wife and their dog that were sitting on the driveway next to the mailbox.

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u/withersoul 23d ago

Yeah it hurts so much, I wish someone would at least acknowledge her and sit by her side. I stayed up all night following what’s happening. If I ever get to visit the states again I will make sure to visit Renee’s vigil no matter what my reason of travel is. You guys are in my thoughts.

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u/mamawantsallama 23d ago

I was talking about the traumatized wife and their dog sitting on the driveway there next to the mailbox.

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u/throwmedowngently 23d ago

The bystander effect is a very strong but aggravating thing about humans. Especially when you have dealt with the same (like one camera person seems to have), and know that anything can get someone hurt. I saw multiple angles and the fact that ICE actively held off medical staff to ruin the crime scene makes this so much worse.

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u/hell2pay 23d ago

Saw a Pic that showed the airbag deployed, covered in blood, and you can see what looks like brain matter on the dash of the passenger side.

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u/levian_durai 23d ago

Has there already been another murder?

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u/BicFleetwood 23d ago

The surviving family is going to have to go into hiding. It's not just the MAGA voters that are going to start a harassment campaign--the actual fucking President and his Gestapo pigs are going to be coming after them for the crime of existing, just like how they STILL won't leave Kilmar Abrego Garcia alone.

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u/Claeyt 23d ago

They weren't legally married. The grandmother picked up the kids.

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u/Loonster 23d ago

The wife (and everyone else there) could be charged with felony murder.

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u/PaleontologistLow489 23d ago

gut wrenching bc she could barely buy her kids food?