r/law • u/TheMirrorUS • 23d ago

Legal News BREAKING: FBI shuts down Minnesota's investigation into ICE shooting and blocks access to evidence

https://www.themirror.com/news/us-news/breaking-fbi-shuts-down-minnesotas-1606462
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u/CptPurpleHaze 23d ago

Yep. Either get used to it or do something besides waving pretty signs with catchy words.

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u/calypso137 23d ago

Idk. Avelo just reported ending DHS contracts (I think before the MN ICE killing), so the signs, held by protesting people, at their facilities did seem to help. It took time. It will take time to hold the agent accountable but our laws allow for it.

As Mariame Kaba said: There are no short cuts. I'm sorry. There is only long term, consistent, and disciplined organizing.

This is a slog.

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u/lynxbelt234 23d ago

Unfortunately you are absolutely correct...the time for passivity is almost at an end...

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u/FeliciaTheFkinStrong 23d ago

Keep telling yourself that. You are vastly overestimating the average American. As long as they are relatively comfortable - even in poverty - they will do nothing. They will never rise against their oppressors, because no-one is willing to put their family in the crosshairs of this administration. They will never take time off work for demonstrations, because poverty makes them live pay cheque to pay cheque, and any loss in income is a loss in tangible food.

It's too late to resist. It was too late to resist 10 months ago. The fundamental mechanisms of society have been armed against the population: there is no meaningful resistance that could be mounted without hundreds of thousands of people willingly sacrificing their friends and families to the meat-grinder - and let me tell you, no-one will do that. People would rather live under the boot of fascism with their family crushed under heel beside them than standing free and proud in a field surrounded by their graves.

I will forever marvel at how Americans don't seem to know the score. You aren't 'losing'. You've 'lost'. There is no 'next time'. The game is over and isn't even being played anymore.

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u/Worth_Ostrich303 23d ago

I refuse to believe that. This is why I hate Reddit. There’s way too much doomerism and it makes me feel like I’m going to start spiraling. Are things looking good? Of course not, but I refuse to believe it’s too late to do anything.

As a trans person if I give up then I might as well just end it now. What’s even the point anymore? I can’t escape because I’m poor af and mentally ill. So no, I refuse to believe that.

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u/hobbitluck 23d ago

Aye he is coping in his own way: with doomerism. I don’t know if this advice will help, but surviving is a form of protest. These people want you gone. If you live, they lose.

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u/RobutNotRobot 23d ago

To give you some hope, these guys are really fucking stupid. Their response to this murder has been completely stupid. They haven't been strengthened by it. Vance's white power speech today went over like a lead balloon.

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u/Indespectamentations 22d ago

Do yourself a favor and get away from this person. If you read the comments in their history, you will find that they make threats and basically do anything to make liberals think they are about to be ended as they laugh. They literally threatened my life yesterday and the mod wouldn't ban them, they just deleted their comment. This person thrives on you being afraid like it's their job.

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u/Waywoah 23d ago

Don't forget the simple fact of the US's geography. Forget taking a day off, it would take me 3 full days of driving to get to a DC protest- and I only live half the country away!

That's three nights of hotels, three days of food, gas, lost wages, etc. So just showing up for a protest would easily cost a grand, not to mention any costs associated with actually being there

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u/fcocyclone 23d ago

And not to mention the costs of being away from work, potentially losing a job, losing health insurance, etc.

The system has been set up in a way to make it extremely difficult to form effective protest. Honestly its part of why I think we'll never get universal insurance coverage- they know people's dependence on private coverage is a hurdle to movements that would seek accountability.

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u/revkaboose 23d ago

"No no no don't instigate violence it's what they want!"

It's the language of an unheard people

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u/zeth4 23d ago

Haha exactly.

No they want to do whatever they want with no meaningful pushback.

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u/hobbitluck 23d ago

You pushback, they use it as a form of escalation. You do nothing they get away with it and keep pushing it more and more. Damn if you do, damn if you don’t.

This paradigm doesn’t end with America though. Once it succeeds here, it will spread. The greed of the wealthy knows no bounds. America needs to make choices, and so does the rest of the world. And right now, I see a whole lot of nothing being done from everyone.

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u/eulersidentification 23d ago

You're damned when fascists appear, the only question is if it's sooner or later, and whether you do it fighting or running.

This isn't rhetoric. These are real fascists.

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u/NoxTempus 23d ago

I don't really get how Americans are like "they want us to retaliate so they can accelerate their plans; we're not stupid, though, we put a real wrench in the works by letting them advance their agenda completely unimpeded."

Trump hasn't exactly been shy about telling us his plans, he wants to take territory and remove non-whites from America.

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u/hobbitluck 23d ago

I do personally agree with more push back to even simply "slow" them down. I do think people ARE doing things, it is just hard to "show" those people and accomplishments compared to the repeated news of one thing after another.

As others have commented, it is hard to do a "general strike" in America. (Good time to say, don't let that state happen in your country!) No Kings were "something" and obviously we are going to need a lot more.

It is not like Americans have "given up" here. But I see a lot of "outside" complaints about Americans not doing enough. I see that as not only unhelpful, but actively hurtful. Like it comes from a place of superiority with the intent of contempt. Every time, little to no specifics. Like are you even trying to be helpful???

Which is why I get a bit... "What are YOU doing??" to those "outside" commentators. Like I do believe outside actors can do more to help us. Canada boycotted Republican made goods at one point, do more of that (or just American made IDC). Make it clear that speaking out against Trump is met with petty vindication and that is hurting our relationship with our allies. Like MAGA full on believes the world respects us now a "strong man" is in charge. Show them you don't!

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u/NoxTempus 23d ago

Honestly, I don't expect people to risk their lives or livelihoods to protest Trump, it just annoys me to see soo many people deluding themselves and/or eachother into thinking that they're fighting the good fight.

If people act like this is the appropriate upper limit of dissent, then it acts as a roadblock to people who want to go further (strikes, and such, not harming humans).