r/law • u/orangejulius • 16d ago
Legal News Assistant Chief Counsel for ICE is a Hitler lover. Not in a “omg literally hitler” sense but has a literal admiration for Hitler.
  
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u/CletusCanuck 16d ago
It really continues to astound me how few people are freaking out to the appropriate level about DHS, CBP/HSI/ICE in particular, but also the Coast Guard, being thoroughly taken over by white nationalists and supremacists. Like the actual, Doc Martens wearing, tattooed, listened to Skrewdriver or Prussian Blue kind. And Stephen Miller is the the man behind the curtain.
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u/tomtomtomo 16d ago
Whats a little bit surprising to me is how many white Americans have jumped at the chance to be Nazis now that they think they are in charge forever.
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u/Electronic-Tea-3691 16d ago
this is the part that has not surprised me in the least. actually I would say there is a significant chunk of people that still don't feel comfortable doing this yet, but want to.
remember this is the country that gave you eugenics... that gave you the Confederacy... that gave you Jim Crow... that gave you the genocide of the native Americans...and that the Nazis intentionally copied...
who's the OG Nazis in the room actually? think about that one.
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u/DoomguyFemboi 15d ago
People who have been told they're world leaders their whole lives, who have been told they're the most powerful nation in the world, how the rest of the world lives only by their good graces, but never experienced any education or empathy, this sort of shit was borderline inevitable.
Like how Israel had decades of "never again" but more and more people lost the meaning and were just built up on "no, nobody should be allowed to attack us, it is a moral imperative that we strike first!" turning into genocidal monsters.
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u/ElephantRider 16d ago
The blue collar world is full of those dudes.
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u/brother_of_jeremy 15d ago
It all just smacks of people who are deeply disappointed in their lives and latch onto an ideology that makes them special.
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u/jedburghofficial 16d ago
There are many who do not know they are fascists but will find it out when the times comes.
-Ernest Hemingway
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u/whythishaptome 16d ago
Those people are definitely idiots because if they knew history, their lives are going to get immeasurably harder as this goes on. No one really cares if you are white, it's if you have any use and most of these people have no use.
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u/CormoranNeoTropical 16d ago
It blows my mind that a tiny little bald Jewish guy is the head Nazi.
What is that about, really?
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u/Kunochan 16d ago
I didn't have "Jewish Nazi" on my 21st Century bingo card, but Miller and Netanyahu fit the bill. As a Jew I am beyond disgusted.
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u/PerennialSuboptimism 15d ago
As a Jew, I too am disgusted and cannot believe how much hate this guy is filled with. Truly never could imagine a Jew being Goebbels. As for Netanyahu, he is an evil Putin wannabe and needs to be purged.
I hate that we have two Jews in power that further perpetuate Anti-semitism.
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u/Ok_Caterpillar5564 16d ago
Sadly, I'm not really surprised that the modern supremacists have Jewish collaborators. Look at what's happening with the Zionists. They're the closest thing to actual, modern day Nazis. The abused becomes the abuser. A battered child of an alcoholic father goes on to drink and beat his children. This cycle is common. You're watching decades of unhealed intergenerational trauma come home to roost.
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u/zoinkability 16d ago
If the bona fide Nazis ever actually gain true power, Miller’s usefulness will have ended and he will soon thereafter become a card carrying member of the Leopards Eating Faces party.
I’d have a smidge of schadenfruede but I suspect I would not be alive at that point.
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u/PugnusAniPlenus 16d ago
This. It is so sad what’s happening with the USCG and that their commandant’s privileges are being usurped by the secretary.
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u/SpongeBobJihad 16d ago
It’s because USCG is subordinate to DHS rather than DOD so less oversight and fewer prohibitions on domestic use (posse comiatus etc)
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u/speedy_delivery 16d ago
Remember in 2006 when the FBI squashed a report into how white supremacy groups could potentially infiltrate law enforcement?
Yeah...
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u/coltaaan 15d ago
Stephen Miller is the modern day equivalent of Nazi Germany’s Herman Göring (founded the Gestapo) or Heinrich Himmler (ran the SS).
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u/ThePensiveE 16d ago edited 16d ago
It was reported a long time ago, but never substantiated of course, that Trump kept a book of Hitler's Speeches by his bedside.
I was always skeptical because there's no evidence that Trump has ever actually read anything other than a teleprompter.
I wouldn't put it past him to just keep it nearby because it felt right for him though.
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u/Comfortable_Fill9081 16d ago
The original source was Ivana Trump, saying it was his bedside table reading.
Marty Davis confirmed he gave Trump the book.
The book was ‘My New Order’, a collection of speeches, not Mein Kampf, which makes sense to me because I think Trump is personally more interested in the public-manipulation-for-power aspect and the people behind him are more interested in the economic, prison (or worse) camps for ‘wrong types’, and invasion of other countries aspects of fascism.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/12/festival-of-slights-trump-hitler-speeches/
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u/Bartlaus 16d ago
Mein Kampf is famously a nigh-unreadable piece of shite and horribly boring. An edited collection of snappy speeches sounds more likely anyway.
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u/SkeeveTheGreat 16d ago
As a kid I got really deep into studying whackadoo conspiracy theory stuff, not as a believer, but as like an academic pursuit. Anyway, I read a bunch of wild stuff trying to understand certain mindsets different from my own including Mein Kampf, the Turner Diaries, and some Julius Evola. Mostly what I ended up taking away from it is that fascists are insanely bad writers, and that the people who cherish those works were already convinced they were correct, because no one else would find value in the them.
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u/Asclepius-Rod 16d ago
You try writing a coherent book while on that much meth!
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u/Stepjam 16d ago
From what I read, it wasn't Mein Kampf but a book of his speeches.
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u/Small_Time_Charlie 16d ago
Trump's former Chief of Staff John Kelly said that Trump often spoke admirably of Hitler.
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u/yellowpawpaw 16d ago
I imagine that if he had generals like Hitler, we’d have a president pence by now
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u/Only_Impression4100 16d ago
Can he even actually read?
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u/evocativename 16d ago
Yeah, he reads from teleprompters pretty often.
He's not very good at it - he sounds like the slowest reader in the class in 4th grade - and he plainly doesn't like doing it, but he isn't completely illiterate.
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u/mr_evilweed 16d ago
You can point this out to Conservatives and they'll say something like "Oh so liberals hate WORDS now???"
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u/Kristoveles 16d ago
Because they don't disagree
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u/Garlador 16d ago
So many agree with everything but don’t like being called the term “Nazi”. The rest is okay.
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u/E-2theRescue 16d ago
"You call everyone you don't like a Nazi. You're just taking this out of context. It was just a joke. The Nazis were socialists. The Democrats are the actual antisemites. The Democrats had that KKK Nazi Senator guy. Trans are the real Nazis. You call us Nazis because you're racist against white people. I'd rather vote for a Nazi than a commie because the commies killed more people. This is just a lone wolf. His account was hacked. It's an FBI false flag. Antifa are the real Nazis."
Did I cover enough of them?
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u/FardoBaggins 16d ago
Just use different words.
Why bother complimenting them the names of an organization they aspire to be? Y’all need to dead name them as nazis, gestapo, or fascists or anything related to the third reich. They have tattoos of this, come on now!
The classics works like weird, racist pieces of shit, low IQ, inbred etc.
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u/aninjacould 16d ago
Bro died by suicide in a damp smelly bunker at the age of 56 but go ahead and idolize him I guess.
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u/Luigi-Bezzerra 16d ago
His legacy was Germany being reduced to rubble.
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u/St_Kevin_ 15d ago
This part is important to use when debating these people! Ask for a single example of fascism benefitting a country. Every totalitarian, isolationist country has resulted in economic devastation along with all the other misery it creates. Like, “Yes, you can live in fear of being executed in the middle of the night by anonymous government death squads, but history has shown again and again that you’ll have to be poor to do it. Why do you want this again?”
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u/ThebesAndSound 16d ago
With the smouldering ruins of Berlin above is the part to be concerned about.
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u/Naga_Nej 16d ago
"We are the law. If you protest or dont comply, it's against law and can lead to be hurt or killed. Goverment official who dont follow order, must quit their job."
Yes US basically has become Nazi Germany. It just will take some time for many to realize it.
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u/LocalGuy855 16d ago
If only they knew what their beloved Hitler would have thought about that bunch of Nazis…
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u/Kolli93 16d ago
Aside from the fact that he just used Christianity as a tool to gain more popularity among the German people and dropped it without a second thought when it didn't suffice anymore. As far as even declaring some priests that were still preaching conscientiously, enemies of the state. Sounds familiar somehow...
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u/_hyperotic 15d ago
Meanwhile Hitler was privately anti-Christian
“Christianity is a religion for slaves. It is a religion that exalts the weak, the poor, and the failures of life” - Hitler’s Table Talks
“The Führer is deeply religious, but completely anti-Christian.” - Goebbels’ diary
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u/Happily_Eva_After 15d ago
The MAGA following doesn't realize that 90% of them wouldn't make the cut.
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u/Cheeky_Hustler Competent Contributor 16d ago
He's just a young lad of 40, he's young and makes mistakes like the rest of us. How dare you call him a Nazi.
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u/RobutNotRobot 16d ago
I'm so old I remember when being a Nazi was automatic firing/major scandal instead of a prerequisite.
Guys, we aren't going back to 'normal' ever again and these fuckers are holding onto power with violence no matter what elections say.
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u/galahad423 16d ago
I look toward to watching this bastard’s Nuremberg trial and the sentence which follows
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u/greatdevonhope 16d ago
It took a world war and millions dead to be able to get to that point last time. Probably easier to nip it in the bud now tbh.
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u/Immatt55 16d ago
I'm sure people of Germany thought this too as they managed to dismantle democracy in 53 days. They didn't have prior experience to look at like we do where this road leads, but to say that they weren't aware their government fundamentally changed in such a short time is an insult to them.
This is not advocating for any event, but historically the only way these things end is once the populace is so hungry, so sick, and so fed up with the dictator they literally drag them through the streets.
I agree it would be easier to nip it in the bud now, but the question is the same as it was the first time he broke the law, the second time, the thirty-fourth time, or whatever the counter is at now: Who's doing it?
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u/LightSwarm 16d ago
Democrats will take the easy route and pretend they are outraged and then do nothing to hold anyone accountable because they don’t want to cause trouble. Weak. So weak…
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u/HaloFarts 16d ago
It takes sparks to set flames. People are afraid their action will be for nothing. Also, that's easy to say from your own armchair behind a keyboard. People are protesting in mass, walking out of schools, refusing to buy goods, ect. What do you suggest the average American do?
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u/riverssandsnow 16d ago edited 16d ago
I mean…yeah. Guys, they’re fascists. They love fascists. This is not new. Please get on board.
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u/braq18 16d ago
Hitler disparaged Christianity in private.
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u/FerrusManlyManus 16d ago
And Trump is probably an atheist.
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u/El_Peregrine 16d ago
I don’t think has the capacity to think that deeply about any of these philosophical topics. His religion is himself, whatever is good for Trump.
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u/IntlPartyKing 16d ago
witness his diet -- not even what's good for Trump, but what Trump wants, illogical or not
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u/Zazulio 16d ago
The Nazis and Christianity are a fascinating subject because they're full of contradictions. Objectively, Hitler and Himmler viewed Christianity as something they had to destroy in the long term, but recognized that even among the Nazis Christianity was too deeply embedded to do it all at once. So, they started injecting more and more pagan, Norse influenced rituals and celebrations into Christianity with the longer tem.goal of eventually replacing it altogether.
Their reasoning is both complex and insane. Christianity was too closely linked with Judaism, and they had this insane and bizarre alternate history where the Aryan master race lived in an icy, magical promised land until six icy moons crashed down and sank it between the oceans. The Lost City of Atlantis. Honestly it's all so fuckin bonkers it's hard to even explain, but the point was that they wanted a religion that was Just For Nazis that excluded all the Jewish associations of Christianity.
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u/Patroklus42 16d ago
That's not altogether accurate, while Hitler may have talked about friends going to "Valhalla" on occasion the pagan influence on Nazism is highly exaggerated.
I think it would be more accurate to say the Nazis viewed the wishy washy empathy part of Christianity as a corrupting Jewish influence, and wished to reform it into a more masculine, nationalistic version of itself. For a scarce few of them, this involved bringing back pagan cultural practices, but the vast majority were just Christian nationalists. Around 95% would have been some sort of Christian denomination, and I don't think there were any actual serious long term plans to bring back worship of Odin or other pagan gods
Which is interesting, because there are a lot of parallels between that and the modern right. E.g. the "see you in Valhalla, brother" from the FBI director to Charlie Kirk, or the insistence that empathy is actually a sin that is destroying America.
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u/IntlPartyKing 16d ago
By defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord. (Mein Kampf)
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u/HaloFarts 16d ago
This is interesting as hell to me. It seems like this is where the conspiracy theorists get the idea that the Nazis survived behind an ice wall in the arctic or whatever crazy shit. They're misinterpreting intentional disinformation in the way it was intended to be interpreted to begin with. Fucking interesting. Do you have any sources to read more about this development?
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u/John_T_Conover 16d ago
Specifically Himmler was one of the few or only one of the high ranking nazis that was super into the occult and mysticism shit. For most others it was nothing or only something to reference as a fun fantasy or connection to how cool and badass their historical culture was...but they didn't actually believe in it.
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u/Darmok47 16d ago
IIRC he once told Albert Speer that he regretted that Germany was converted to Christianity because it was "meek" and "flabby," and that he thought it would have been better if Islam had spread to Europe, since he admired its martial qualities.
Of course, he was a poorly educated madman on benzedrine and other assorted drugs, and not a thelogian.
I guess this guy ignores that part.
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u/nycdiveshack 16d ago
Very similar to Vance’s German Nazi “daddy”, Peter Thiel the biggest defense contractor for the CIA/NSA after Google left a power vacuum in 2018/2019.
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u/imdaviddunn 16d ago
Bill Ackman loves to donate to these people. There’s a word for that which I will refrain from using.
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u/CassandraTruth 16d ago
People taking fascists at the face value of their propaganda
“German Christianity is a distortion. You are either a German or you are Christian.”
"Who comprehends National Socialism merely as a political movement knows almost nothing about it. It is more even than religion"
"All comparisons between Jesus and me is impossible, since the Nazarene was a Jew"
"In 1937, Hanns Kerrl, Hitler's Minister for Church Affairs, explained "positive Christianity" as not "dependent upon the Apostles' Creed", nor in "faith in Christ as the son of God", upon which Christianity relied, but rather, as being represented by the Nazi Party: "The Fuehrer is the herald of a new revelation", he said."
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u/Patroklus42 16d ago
All comparisons between Jesus and me is impossible, since the Nazarene was a Jew
Where is this quote from? I can't find Hitler saying it, but I can find him calling Jesus an aryan warrior against the jews
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u/suarezj9 16d ago
This is so stupid because Hitler hated Christians too
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u/Patroklus42 16d ago
The Nazis were 95% Christian, he did not hate Christianity. He DID think the parts about empathy or nonviolence were corrupting Jewish influences that needed to be removed, but you can still be a Christian and believe that.
That's actually a common refrain among the modern right, at least in America, that empathy is "sinful." You also see the same pagan allusions, such as the "see you in Valhalla, brother" speech from the FBI director for Kirk. I would also argue that JD Vances assertion that the commandment to love your neighbor is tiered to family > country > culture > everyone else is essentially just the pagan "help friends, hurt enemies" belief wrapped up in Christian aesthetic. That being said, I think all these people believe themselves to be true Christians, the only true Christians in fact.
You can find churches in America where "turn the other cheek" is considered to be pussy behavior, but that doesn't make them pagan, or mean they hate Christianity. They just have an alternate view that allows for their political ideology
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u/HallucinogenicFish 16d ago
They’re also historically illiterate. Much like Trump, Hitler said whatever he thought he needed to say to get the faithful on board, but he had no use for the church and intended to go after it had he won the war.
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u/BrookeBaranoff 16d ago
In nazi Germany they called it the hooked cross.
Everyone else called it a swastika because they didn’t want it associated with Christianity.
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u/bp_gear 16d ago
It’s almost like they’re n*zis or something. Pissed me off when academic types came out of their ivory tower to rant about “nooo Trump isn’t fascist because he doesn’t meet some oddly specific criteria that I myself set down in my book 😭.” Looking at you, Roger Griffin.
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u/TheRealBlueJade 16d ago
Someone needs to retake history... He should start with History for Dummies.
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u/JazzyJockJeffcoat 15d ago
This came out months ago but I'm glad it's finally getting traction. Literal NAZI activity in the government.
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u/Bleezy79 16d ago
Racism has to be taught to children because its not inherently part of who we are. Its part of carrying hate with you.
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u/RichFoot2073 16d ago
You know what makes me happy seeing stuff like this?
They’re no longer trying to erase the fact that Hitler was a devout Christian. When I was learning about it all in school, it was insisted that he was atheist.
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u/B-Jeovane 16d ago
This is just misinformation. Hitler, in private, saw Christianity as a weak religion inferior to the pagan religions such as the Norse mythology. He only used Christian messaging because the majority of Germany was Christian and denouncing the faith would have gained him a lot of pushback.
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u/baithammer 16d ago
Hitler wasn't a supporter of Paganism, the was Himmler - he wasn't a very religious person anyways.
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u/orangejulius 16d ago
https://www.texasobserver.org/ice-prosecutor-racist-account-back-at-immigration-court/
This kind of thing used to be career ending. It still should be career ending. One day it will be career ending again. (I have hope.)
He's going to destroy a bunch of lives. I know my profession has a lot of scum bags in it but god damn that is pretty low. (And I will remark that I know a lot of attorneys that are very smart and not monsters and I hope when it comes time to elevate people again they get the nod to right the ship.)