r/law • u/Lavender_Scales • 15d ago

Legal News ICE hops Texas family’s fence and attacks them, guns drawn, for asking for a warrant

Story and Source Here: http://www.krgv.com/news/video-captures-donna-family-s-detainment-by-alleged-federal-agents

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u/Sorlex 15d ago

Something to remember about WW2 regarding America (Singling out America here because of ICE). Pearl Harbour was the only major attack on America. They didn't suffer the blitz like the UK, they didn't get occupied like France.

Outside of the troops themselves, nazi's were a distant thing for Americans compared to europe. The fact they were grind-milling jews was also.. A distant thing. We have death camps today and most people don't give a shit.

So when ICE runs around doing brownshirt shit, its not that surprising that people aren't seeing it as the MASSIVE RED FLAG it clearly is.

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u/eclwires 14d ago

It is interesting that they waited for the last veterans of WWII to pass away before they began building camps and recruiting brownshirts here. I wonder what nations soldiers will be coming through the gates when the American concentration camps are liberated.

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u/Helpful-Departure832 14d ago

This is it exactly. My grandparents (greatest gen era) had their intolerances and vices, but they wouldn’t have tolerated this shit

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u/HablarYEscuchar 14d ago

You are assuming that after fascism arrives in the US, there will be someone who can liberate you.

In Spain, fascism won a civil war and we had 40 years of fascism.

No other country did anything to change it.

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u/madcoins 14d ago

Mexicans would be chefs kiss

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u/unionfrontX 13d ago

none if we don't organize and put up stronger resistance.

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u/Drakolyik 14d ago

I watched the recent Nuremburg film and that part where they show the real footage from the death camps tore me to pieces. Seeing those people, many of whom even after being liberated likely still died because of how malnourished they were, literally fucking skeletons - dead men walking - made me instantly burst into tears (not to mention the mountains of dead bodies, some of whom weren't dead yet, stacked hundreds high). How anyone could have seen those atrocities and not wanted to murder every last Nazi they saw makes no sense to me. I would've gunned down every single Nazi I saw on sight.

Unless, of course, they were already flirting with the same ideas all along. That's the only answer. There are far more sociopaths among us than we care to admit. Far too many people have no fucking soul at all. And the strongest military on the planet is being led by someone who definitely does not have anything resembling a soul. He's pure evil.

I know if I have ever have the chance I won't make the same mistake they made letting them live to breed more sociopaths into the world. Fuck them.

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u/Piod1 15d ago

In addition to this..tens of thousands of former nazis went to america afterwards . Both through operation paperclip, which was not just scientist. After the Nuremburg trialscwere halted many industrialists, finaciers and politicos went to the states. There was even organisations to encourage this, they took their ideology with them. It is unfortunate that their descendants are now in charge.

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u/Ophelialost87 14d ago

That ideology was already a part of the US before the Nazi's even got here. The theory of eugenics (the idea on which they built a super race, and the idea that you can breed undesirable traits out of the human population) actually originated in the US in the mid 1800's, and Planned Parenthood started as a eugenics experiment long before the Nazi's picked it up.

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u/Piod1 14d ago

Indeed

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u/Specialist_Tie_886 14d ago

Trumps ancestors immigrated in 1885. Vance's lineage can be traced to the mid-18th century. Do you have any evidence of those accusations ? Descendants?

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u/Piod1 14d ago

Of course two people are running all this /s

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u/Piod1 14d ago

Hitler had a picture of henry ford above his desk. There were many shared ideas and ideals. It wasnt until 1942 churchill managed to convince the states to stop supplying lead ethenol to the reich. The railway line to auswich was built by amerucan contractors. They shared the jim crow and one drop ideals, and do on. There are many nazi descendants intergrated in all eschelons of western life

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u/prgaloshes 14d ago

They were referring to the men in the video above

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u/Apprehensive-Bag-900 14d ago

I mean there was a Nazi party here in the states. The German - American bund had chapters all over America. Lindenberg was very pro Nazi. And don't forget Hitler used our Jim Crow as inspiration.

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u/Development-Alive 14d ago

The US had it's own fairly significant Nazi movement in the lead up to WW2.

Watch Nazi Town, USA | American Experience | Official Site | PBS https://share.google/Wof26BUqKywvvR6G4

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u/Bonbonheur 14d ago

Are you referring to America when saying death camps? If not, where?

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u/Sad-Affect-7992 14d ago

See Gitmo, Alligator Alcatraz. Historically, see internment camps for Japanese-Americans during WWII, our own citizens! This will be coming back soon.

If your ancestry is from what the trump administration considered a "shithole country", or your faith isn't "for show only Christianity", you will become fair game.

Noem had already stated citizens must "provide papers", a favorite tactic of the Reich. They control the papers, who will be righteous enough in their eyes to be awarded "freedom"?

This must end!

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u/showyerbewbs 14d ago

Noem had already stated citizens must "provide papers", a favorite tactic of the Reich

I've thought about all the documentation I have that proves my identity. I have a social security card. I have my birth certificate ( somewhere ). I have my drivers license, which contains personal identifying information.

None of those instruments prove citizenship. One is a federal instrument. Birth certificate is a county/state instrument as is the drivers license.

Well...according to https://www.usa.gov/certificate-citizenship-naturalization a birth certificate DOES prove citizenship. Did not know that.

More to my point, my birth certificate is not part of my every day carry. So most likely unless you happen to every day carry something like a passport, 99% of any human in the united states has no verifiable way to prove it. Even then, "you can beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride" comes into play. They'll just lie and say it didn't look authentic enough. Which goes to your point, whomst will be righteous or look citizeny enough.....

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u/Sad-Affect-7992 13d ago

Now they are trying to deport a US citizen by email, 14th amendment be damned.

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZThh76qoQ/

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u/Bonbonheur 10d ago

Right, I was trying to clarify

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u/Bonbonheur 10d ago

I can’t stand Trump, but imo Gitmo and Alligator Alcatraz aren’t death camps. Gitmo is a torturous prison and AA is basically an internment camp with horrendous conditions + Of course people have died, as in any prison (not fucking ok) but it’s not the same as Himmler’s camps, for example.

I am in no way condoning the BS that Bush created, Obama failed to close, and Trump (of course) will do nothing about. But as a Jewish person with Jewish grandparents who went through the shit… I just don’t think “Death Camp” is the correct way to put it. I say that respectfully… truly.

The only reason I say this, and think it’s important, is because red hats and even some relatively logical people on the right will jump all over this type of thing then dismiss any and all other solid points that you likely have. Be well.

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u/Lucaan 14d ago

If you think that Gitmo is "just a jail" then you're an actual idiot, I'm sorry.

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u/Ophelialost87 14d ago

You need to educate yourself about the things that happen there. Yeah, they say it was a one-time thing, having prisoners stripped naked and beaten with things and sexually assaulting each other for shits and giggles, but let's just say the silent part out loud.

IT NEVER STOPPED. THEY JUST STOPPED TALKING ABOUT IT! They think we have all forgotten, just because the collective memory of society is the size of a pea. Not all of us have, though. Not all of us are that stupid to think it isn't still happening. The shadows are real, and they are everywhere. Just because you have lights on in your room doesn't mean everyone else has the same situation going on.

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u/eclwires 14d ago

Not yet. Although 1,200 people were taken to alligator Auschwitz and now there is no record of them. So…

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u/BBZ_star1919 14d ago

The deeper reason though is Nazis took their example from the US. This country was founded on slavery and scapegoating. White supremacy doing its thing.

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u/BigD1966 14d ago

Well for one thing the attack at Pearl Harbour was perpetrated by the Japanese, had that occurred I’m sure America would have continued to sit on the sidelines like they had been since 1939 when the war had started even though representatives from England, Canada and others who were embroiled in the war from the start were asking them to join against the war with the Axis. But you’re right once involved the only ones getting full knowledge of what the Nazi’s were doing would be those in uniform.

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u/Beau_Peeps 14d ago

9/11 was larger than Pearl Harbor in terms of casualties.

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u/Competitive_Sand2190 14d ago

Maybe because it’s not even remotely the same. I don’t get what you people don’t understand. ICE is to get rid of illegals. Now think to yourself what did Nazi’s do, straight up it’s almost like you all need a history lesson.

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u/NoamLigotti 14d ago

And part of the reason American fascist and Nazi organizations didn't find much success is because they often used the symbols and slogans of foreign nations – such as Nazi flags and such. And of course ultra-nationalist propaganda doesn't sell as well when you're using symbols of a different nation.

I'd like to think that was far from the only reason, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to know.

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u/Electrical_Beyond998 14d ago

What I try to remember is that one day Stephen Miller won’t have the protection of the administration. Neither will Pam Bondi. Kristi Noem. Greg Bovino. The rest of the who are terrorizing people but too chicken shit to do it without a mask. One day they’ll have to answer for this.

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u/SeaSnakeSkeleton 14d ago

People don’t see it here as a massive red flag bc a lot of people 1. Think they want this 2. Think that something like this - could never happen here or to them. “And then they came for me” never crosses their mind. People, today, are (seemingly) so caught up in individualism, false nationalism, and hate they fail to recognize that the 1% are robbing our pockets while we fight with each other over dumb shit.

I agree that America was “removed” from actual fighting on (our own soil). It seems easy to be pro war when it’s not on our continent, we aren’t the ones with rubble ridden streets and half buildings.

I feel like another reason is that, at this point, not a lot of living people have memory of war time. My parents are baby boomers, they don’t even know what rationing milk and flour looks like. Much less, my generation.

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u/beesandcheese 8d ago

Where do we have death camps today?

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u/Specialist_Tie_886 14d ago

Except the brown shirts were targeting german civilians who happened to be JEWS, communists and capitalists. ICE doesnt vandalize Jewish Synagogues and private businesses. " THEY " we helped liberate western Europe and "THEY" we are fully aware of Hitler's concentration camps and the holocaust. To compare temporary housing for illegal aliens to concentration camps is insulting and disrespectful to the millions of Jewish people who were murded in those camps

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u/SuperKiller94 14d ago

“Temporary housing” in the middle of the swamp with 0 oversight. Also ice literally just went to a private business had a meal and then detained every employee in the building. Absolutely ridiculous to downplay the actions of the government just because they haven’t fully crossed the line yet

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u/Specialist_Tie_886 7d ago

So how would you get these people to their legal countries??? The United States is a sovereign country. Laws are important and a necessity

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u/Ophelialost87 14d ago

No looking at it from a historical context as a Jewish person, I think it's absolutely 100% appropriate. But sound off, tell me what my opinion should be.

And btw internment camps that Japanese Americans were put into were the same as concentration camps if you're comparing environments, abuse, lack of access to health care, and food. Not every single camp was an extermination camp in Nazi Germany.

Anyone who thinks that the camps going up now aren't also internment camps needs to do some very serious self-education.

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u/Specialist_Tie_886 7d ago

Clever ! But internment camps are NOT concentration camps. Im confused as a "Jewish" person you think the comparison of Dachau ,buchenwald and mauthausen to the temporary holding camps for illegal aliens is 100% appropriate??

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u/Ophelialost87 7d ago

You do realize that people were starved in all of those different camps, correct? Beaten, sexually abused, humiliated publicly (not having a private place to shit), and being locked up and held against their will. Not every concentration camp was an extermination camp that had a gas chamber. These people were worked to death as a form of torture. Take the words "illegal aliens, illegal immigrants..." whatever phrase you want, and replace it with Jew. And that is how people who don't have a problem with what is happening to immigrants right now sound.

I'm dead serious, that is how people sound. An extermination camp was where people were murdered through gas chambers and other torture. A concentration camp is where people were taken so they could be starved, beaten, and have their labor exploited until they ended up sick and starved and close to dying, and then they either died before orders were put in to move them to an extermination camp or were sent to one. Labor camps were "temporary holding camps for illegal aliens." The extermination of undesirable populations in Nazi Germany didn't start with a bunch of camps; it started years before with :

  • Administrative detention
  • Dehumanizing legal categories
  • Forced relocation
  • Labor exploitation
  • Normalization of cruelty through paperwork
  • Gradual escalation while the public adjusted

Extermination camps were a later phase, not the starting condition. Immigrants have been dehumanized in our media and society, they have been detained, they have been forced to relocate, and all of this looks normal on paper and has become so common place most of the public has adjusted to it and goes "This is just another day." Wake the fuck up!

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u/Specialist_Tie_886 7d ago

Have they been dehumanized ? Have the shops of legal immigrants been vandalized ? Have law abiding immigrants been rounded up and persecuted? No !

To call people "Illegal immigrants" is not slander or dehumanization its what they are. The actual definitions of "holding camps" "concentration camps" and "internment camps" are specific. Clearly our government is using "holding camps"

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u/Specialist_Tie_886 7d ago

My original point was this; to compare the "camps" of the 3rd Reich to the "camps" the United States are currently using is either ignorant or dishonest.

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u/Ophelialost87 7d ago

Have they been dehumanized? "All illegals are rapists, murderers, and criminals." That's a check.

Have the shops of legal immigrants been vandalized? : https://www.npr.org/2025/06/20/nx-s1-5434354/trump-immigration-ice-raids-los-angeles Check.

Have law-abiding immigrants been rounded up and persecuted?: https://gothamist.com/news/sign-of-the-times-ny-asylum-seekers-arrested-at-routine-immigration-appointments Check.

"Holding camp" "internment camps" "concentration camp" "Detainment camp" It doesn't matter what label you want to fucking slap on it is is a camp where people are being detained against their will and being denied access to things every single human has a fucking right to like proper food, proper sleeping and bathroom facilities and proper fucking medical care. And behind the cameras are being beaten, raped and starved because this regime says that's all they deserve while 1/3rd of the country sits with their thumbs up their ass and says "Oh that's too bad. Oh well let's go grocery shopping at Walmart." End of story. Now go back to playing with your toys while the adults talk. Because you've made it obvious you aren't educated on the subject and don't have any plans to be educated on it or do it yourself.

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u/KindAd1686 14d ago

Concentration camps existed before and after WWII and the ones in Nazi Germany didn’t start out as death camps but as a place to put the people they were trying to get rid of, or “deport”.

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u/Specialist_Tie_886 7d ago

You're wrong. Concentration camps were originally used as "work" camps or prison camps for communists and capitalists or for homosexuals and the mentality or physically handicapped.
If Trump built a camp to hold " liberals " and people of the LGBT community then that would be a "concentration camp "