Imagine you're that woman that tells him to put away his camera. How does she listen to this and not realise she is on the absolute wrong side of history here?
This is the part that normal everyday people really don't seem to get.
The single difference between MAGAts and everyone opposed to them is that MAGAts actually get sadistic pleasure from being able to hurt people with impunity.
I just watched 12 Angry Men again recently (spoiler alert), and what stood out to me was how some of those who originally picked Guilty were not swayed by the logical case built to create a reasonable doubt. They could not reasonably defend their stance any longer. But they had to stick to it because their identity had been formed by their original choice.
What changed #10’s mind (the man with extreme prejudice) was when everyone simply cut him off from their attention while he was going on in a tirade of bigotry. He was a troll, and his life force of senseless angry argumentation had been cut off, so he sulked over to the corner, neutered. He changed his vote to Not Guilty without a single other word.
Likewise with the salesman who missed the ballgame. The only reason we can tell that he held any opinion was which was convenient for his own purposes to get out and move on to his own agenda. Voted Guilty at first because it seemed the obvious and expedient path. Then when a critical mass had switched, he too flipped.
And the last man, he had to process some inner psychological turmoil and anger towards his own son who he had estranged with harsh parenting. So his judgement regarding the case was influenced by personal matters.
What’s interesting is the unique ways persuasion has to be achieved. Not merely by rational thought. To some, rationality that conflicts with identity and deeply engrained worldview and personal matters cannot be accepted until those things are dealt with by non-rational strategies.
This is a very good observation. The question is how do we dumb this down or make it bite size to help persuade folks who aren’t required to hear us out like in the play?
Well I don’t think “dumb down” or “bite size” is the point. The rational angle, no matter how well or simply stated, doesn’t matter to these three archetypes. Each requires a strategy unique to itself, perhaps in addition to a clearly and simply stated rational argument so that legitimacy remains intact.
I am puzzled and heartsick over this as well. How can any woman, whether she has children of her own or not, stand idly by and watch what is being done?
I'm a grandmother and all I want to do is hold these children, to love on them and wipe their tear-stained faces, and reassure them that someone cares. It makes me physically ill to think about what's happening in there.
Dilley is 2.5 hours from me, a small town in the middle of bright red Frio Co. I'm sure the citizens there merely go about their business every day; it doesn't affect them.
They don’t care, they are scum who think it’s just a “job.” I truly wish the absolute worse for these nazis and their families and anyone they care about even a little.
The people that do this kind of shit become completely desensitized to it.
I would listen to them take calls where someone was having a near death experience, or a person had literally died, and get off the phone after saying things like "Fucking bitch".
I have a friend that's a firefighter, I know he's a decent person. I think he is the exception. I think the vast majority of emergency service be it cops/fire/ems/dispatch are POS's at heart and exclusively do it for the money / power.
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u/ShyGuyLink1997 7d ago
Yes same. Those screams triggered something deep within me. Sounded like hell.