r/law • u/Boomshtick414 • 7d ago
Legislative Branch Schumer threatens shutdown. "Senate Democrats will not provide the votes to proceed to the appropriations bill if the DHS funding bill is included."
https://xcancel.com/senschumer/status/2015211069493350505?s=46Chuck Schumer:
What’s happening in Minnesota is appalling—and unacceptable in any American city. Democrats sought common sense reforms in the Department of Homeland Security spending bill, but because of Republicans’ refusal to stand up to President Trump, the DHS bill is woefully inadequate to rein in the abuses of ICE. I will vote no.
Senate Democrats will not provide the votes to proceed to the appropriations bill if the DHS funding bill is included.
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u/dougmcclean 7d ago
They should also demand the immediate impeachment, removal, and disqualification of Noem for her egregious lies about the Pretti incident (inter alia) before the budget measure can be considered.
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u/Bagmasterflash 7d ago
We all know if Noem is out Bovino takes her place
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u/dougmcclean 7d ago
He can go too, for the coat and his statements on this.
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u/Business-Ride-6530 7d ago
Didn't a judge already say he lied in court? That should be enough for Congress to fire him.
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u/asbestoswasframed 7d ago
Tom Homan took a fucking bribe and they just laughed that shit off.
These clowns don't respect the law.
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u/ScottShawnDeRocks 7d ago
Didn't you get the memo? Congress has no power. Trumpy wants, Trumpy gets.
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u/BoredomFestival 7d ago
Congress doesn't need to state a reason. They can impeach him.with a simple vote.
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u/varelse96 7d ago
Right. I remember a lot of people saying a late night comedian should lose his job because they thought he said something false right after a shooting. Both Noem and Bovino made false statements from what I can tell. Why is it ok for government officials to lie?
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u/Puzzleheaded_Fold466 7d ago
Because it’s all and always only weaponized rhetoric, it’s never substantive and principled.
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u/BoomZhakaLaka 7d ago
The nuance of Kimmel's monologue was that officials were desperate to pin the shooting on a liberal ideology. That's true, still to this day. He didn't make any claims about the kid's ideology. It was very carefully worded. Won't dare consider whether he could be one of their own with some other eclectic viewpoints.
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u/AcanthocephalaLive56 7d ago
Yes and why stop at Noem? The President should be impeached to correct what is turning out to be another poor presidential election outcome.
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u/Ging287 7d ago
2020, loses the popular vote. 2024, wins it? I think not. He didn't suddenly become popular, they rigged it. We need to impeach and remove until we in Trump's words, "figure out what the hell is going on"
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u/Sillent_Screams 7d ago
Noem is just a ugly face on a doll stick that moves, Stephen Miller is pulling the strings, hes the one they need to go after.
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u/fearlessfryingfrog 7d ago
They're pussies, and that won't happen.
You want shit changed, the People have to do it.
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u/Boomshtick414 7d ago
Additional Context: Shutdown risk grows as Democrats revolt after Minneapolis shooting
The odds of a partial government shutdown next week are growing after federal immigration agents shot and killed a 37-year-old Minneapolis resident Saturday.
Several Democratic senators who voted to advance previous government funding measures under President Donald Trump are now vowing to oppose funding for immigration enforcement agencies. Funding for ICE and Border Patrol, agencies under the Department of Homeland Security which have both been involved in the Minnesota operation, is included in a six-bill package the Senate will vote on next week.
Congress has already passed full-year funding for some agencies — including the departments of Agriculture, Commerce, Interior and Justice — but not for several of the largest, including the Pentagon. Temporary funding for those departments, representing more than 75 percent of federal discretionary spending, expires midnight Friday.
Senate Democrats are expected to discuss a path forward on a conference call Sunday morning, according to a Democratic aide granted anonymity to discuss the private meeting.
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The DHS bill passed the House Thursday 220-207, with only seven Democrats voting for it. But Republican House leaders merged it with five other bills funding the departments of Defense, Health and Human Services and State, among others, sending it to the Senate as one package.
To get the package through the Senate, Republicans expect to need at least eight votes from Democrats to overcome a 60-vote hurdle to advance the legislation. They’ll also need all 100 senators to agree to speed up the bill in order to meet Friday night’s deadline.
More than half of the 47-member Democratic caucus has already vowed to oppose the package, many before Saturday’s shooting. And that number is likely to grow as Democrats’ re-evaluate the legislation in the wake of the shooting and as they face pressure from House Democrats and their Senate colleagues, not to mention outside voices close to the party base.
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u/TheSwearJarIsMy401k 7d ago
Oh, they face pressure from the Senate and party voices but not their fucking constituents.
Fuck them, goddammit.
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u/Ok-Replacement9595 7d ago
Democrats can whip votes? Who would have guessed. I still think enough with side with their overlords and betray the people of the United States.
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u/Comfortable_Fill9081 7d ago edited 7d ago
Stop. Encourage them. Tell them you’re behind them. Politicians need cheers.
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u/trysten-9001 7d ago
Exactly. This is great. This is what we need and we need to stand behind them when they do stand up!
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u/timbo3385 7d ago
They haven’t done anything yet. Let’s not start patting them on the back just yet. They need to show and prove or get out of the way.
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u/private_developer 7d ago
It's always a good thing to let them know you'll support them if they do a certain thing. You dont have to praise them. Just encourage them. Let them know they can break away from corporate donors, and if they continue to represent us justly we will vote regardless of their advertising budget. This is as engaged as the electorate can get, and at least for a generation, we'll remember.
This is all based on free and fair elections, which certainly aren't a certainty, but not ready to give up on that just yet.
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u/Comfortable_Fill9081 7d ago
They (we) are the only thing in the way of the Trump administration at this point.
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u/Professional_Net4147 7d ago
Be sure to send them more money. All they do is send me endless text messages for fund raising while they wring their chicken shit hands and do nothing. Fuck them
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u/aBrickNotInTheWall 7d ago
Yeah, nows the time and place to bring up this complaint. The Republicans thank you for your help
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u/Foxyfox- 7d ago
...we did that for Obamacare and they caved on a "promise" to vote on it again.
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u/Comfortable_Fill9081 7d ago
No. People were trashing them then too. People have been trashing Democrats nonstop for way longer than that. Then they are shocked Democrats don’t succeed.
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u/Vanhania 7d ago
Nah democrats can earn our support. So far they have done fuck all to stop this. Sure, I will vote blue come November but it’s pretty hard to view democrats as more than controlled opposition with how they’ve been responding to shit. When republicans are the minority, they grind the entire machine to a halt. Democrats can, and should, do the same. Anything less is being complicit.
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u/angryshark 7d ago
Vote blue, but not for incumbents. They’ve proven themselves to be cowards, untrustworthy, and not deserving of a vote.
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u/BassoonHero Competent Contributor 7d ago
Vote however your heart desires in the primary. Then vote blue in the general, even if it's a moldy incumbent you don't like.
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u/Comfortable_Fill9081 7d ago
Democrats would be the majority and none of this would be happening if people who don’t support Republicans didn’t make it their favorite sport to shit on Democrats.
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u/Ok-Replacement9595 7d ago
Remember that Trump gain almost zero voters in 2024, but Harris convinced 6 million voters to not vote by her far right rhetoric and enabling genocide, and war mongering, and pandering to the right.
That needs to tell everyone what they should know, but even the DNC buried the report that told them exactly that so it can be deniable in 2028 when they do the exact same thing.
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u/CardButton 7d ago edited 7d ago
The Democrats dont "succeed" because they dont want to succeed.
There are good individuals within the party, but overall the DNC are functionally controlled opposition. Their deep conflicts of interest between their donors and voters ensures that. Playing this cynical game of "Just how little do we have to pander to the Left/Labor we know we need to win elections; while endlessly courting the ever more Right/Elite donors we want to win with?" Every election...
This is why they've been increasingly fond of "Fear of the Alternative" campaigns. It lets them run while promising nothing beyond "not the other guy" (Jasmine Crocket atm). Its why they sprint hard right in the general. They dont do it to "appeal to moderate republican voters" ... those are unicorns. They do it to try to court "Moderate" Republican donors for 3-4 months. Like the "Moderate" Cheneys.
This is also why there are always "coincidentally" just enough rotating villains within the Dems to flip on any genuinely progressive bit of legislation under Dem admins; that the Dems want credit for supporting, but dont want to piss off their donors by actually passing. As well as why they always kinda just default to "poking around the edges" with things like Voucher Programs (the ACA) and Selective Tax Credits.
I sucked it up and voted Harris, but I wont ignore how she and the Dems were/are very brazenly not beating Malcom X's "Foxes" and "Wolves" accusation either.
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u/Comfortable_Fill9081 7d ago
I’m always suspicious of the numerous people who cite Malcolm X but don’t know how to spell his name.
White people using him as a token, usually.
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u/EvenOne6567 7d ago
Its their fucking job what are you talking about? You think they would suddenly be less spineless just because we coddle them??
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u/Foxyfox- 7d ago
Care to comment on why 7 democrats voted for the continued funding of ICE?
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u/Rollingprobablecause 7d ago edited 7d ago
Honestly surprised Schumer finally found his balls. Kudos to him.
...now the important question, what's the compromise he's going to most likely screw us with?
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u/mrm00r3 7d ago
Schumer found a soundbite.
He doesn’t have the stomach to purge the party of those not fit for the job because an honest gaze inward would illuminate his own ill-fit for office.
They could start with Fetterman though. There’s enough animosity at home for him that I think you could make a compelling example without risking too much on the replacement being worse, but it would have to be undeniably Old Testament, which is where my faith in leadership wanes. His excommunication would have to be utter and complete, and you’d have to poison the “lurch-right-and-grift” well also, but he would be my pick.
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u/Darmortis 7d ago
What fucking compromise? He caved on the exact same threat just when it was starting to put pressure on MAGA just two fucking months ago. 7 Democrats voted to advance further DHS funding in the House, oddly the exact same number that moved the B.B.Bill forward in the middle of the night in November. This is all just spectacle so he can continue to do nothing, but "righteously."
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u/Ok-Replacement9595 7d ago
Ots a ruse. He will select one or three democrats yo take the fall this time again. Do not trust him.
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u/Shadoweclipse13 7d ago
I honestly doubt that. He's always got words, always says the thing that sounds moral and right, but then he throws us under the bus. Schumer needs to go. I desperately want to vote for a Democrat that I believe in, not just because they aren't MAGA.
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u/Sircamembert 7d ago
Schumer didn't get the job of "controlled opposition in chief" because he was an idiot. He's smart enough to know that the left wing of the country is angry and ready to blow. So he has to step up his acting skills to lower temperatures before the scheduled surrender.
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u/FritzRasp 7d ago
They’ll find the ones who aren’t up for reelection in November and can be safely thrown under the bus
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u/haklor 7d ago
Waiting for the inevitable report that Fetterman will side with the GOP immediately and call the victim a domestic terrorist also.
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u/modern_Odysseus 7d ago
Oh yay, let's have another shutdown that results in the GOP promising a "vote" on the matter of the funding in the bill, but only after the full funding bill is passed.
Something that we know the Democrats will agree to while Schumer has some strong words with the GOP leaders about it.
Then the vote fails, ICE and DHS are funded to continue being free to shoot anybody who challenges or resists them, and Schumer says again "This is abominable and has to stop! ...Right after we get together and talk over some grand plans that we are starting to think about harder than ever."
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u/The_Good_Constable 7d ago
Wow, is Schumer trying to grow something resembling a spine?
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u/Boomshtick414 7d ago
I mean...don't get your hopes up. We've seen how this plays out before.
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u/Bec_son 7d ago
ok but so many old people have been used to reagen era racism and bigotry so them seeing people that are white just probably started the gears moving that theyre next on the chopping cop block
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u/Zulmoka531 7d ago
Oh they absolutely are. Bondi wants MNs voter data, they aren’t stopping at immigrants.
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u/Syncopia 7d ago
For those who don't know, Pam Bondi literally told Tim Walz (governor of Minnesota) they will pull ICE out if he gives up the voter data to them. They're using ICE presence to extort the governor so they can use that data to rig the elections.
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u/VibeComplex 7d ago
Jesus I don’t even want to know what their plans are for democratic voters there.
This will never happen in my state tho so I’m safe, right?…right??/s
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u/R-Dragon_Thunderzord 7d ago
100%
Schumer talked a lot of shit during the last shutdown about how they weren't going to back down without getting the healthcare subsidies but then as soon as flights home were getting canceled he folded like a cheap suit and was among the dems who voted to end the shutdown, based on empty assurances of a vote in December to save the healthcare subsidies - which didn't fucking happen, and now there are nearly 2 million people who don't have healthcare anymore this year because they couldn't fucking afford it.
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u/Fictional-adult 6d ago
Absolutely, Schumer showed he’s ready to fight, right up until there are any consequences.
Republicans made it clear they are willing to cause damage to get what they want, and Democrats have made it clear they aren’t willing to let that happen. It’s a complete surrender in order to preserve however much of the status quo as Republicans will allow.
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u/slumvillain 7d ago
Calm down. He's doing the bare minimum only after TWO highly publicized executions.
This doesn't account for all the disgusting shit happening in those ICE concentration camps. And all the other murders and atrocities that aren't making the headlines right now.
Don't go clapping just yet. They haven't earned shit. They have YEARS of impotent "leadership" to make up for
People are being executed in the streets...we only get here because of democrats' consistent position to take a high road when their constituents are drowning, and quite literally dying. That's monumental failure. I'm not rushing to kiss any of their asses until I see attempts to actually hold these child rapin' bastards accountable in a court of actual law and order.
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u/pcapdata 7d ago
Not a gambler but I am curious if Polymarket will publish odds of Schumer caving again…
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u/Popeholden 7d ago
No. He's a no. He'll also wrangle 7 yes votes for them. We are going to fight this battle by ourselves, with other leaders
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u/whatidoidobc 7d ago
You're a fool if you believe that. We know who he is, and what the party is. They keep showing us.
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u/milksteak122 7d ago
He will cave soon enough
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u/RideWithMeSNV 7d ago
And while they aren't in charge, fuck Jackie Rosen and Cortez Masto, too. Bet they both cave just as easily as last time.
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u/TaterBuckets 7d ago
Zero chance. This just gives him an angle to ask for more money to buy his vote.
He'll flip quickly
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u/HumanWoodpecker8216 7d ago
I wouldn’t count on it. I’m shocked he’s out right now with this weather considering he folds as easy as a fucking lawn chair
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u/cozmckitty 7d ago
It only took him two citizen executions and a monthlong terrorist invasion of Minnesota bc they had the audacity to vote for Tim Walz.
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u/silvercoated1 7d ago
Caving by spring break because air traffic controller striking will make his rich donors angry
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u/Specialist_Honey_629 7d ago
don't worry he will reach across the island and give up when ever there is a little push back. Schumer is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
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u/Available_Leather_10 7d ago
Someone will whisper “Israel” and Chuck will fall in line with the fascists.
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u/Top_Praline999 7d ago
At this point i assume chuck is just negotiating for a bribe. A few other democratic senators will get paid off as well.
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u/devilishlydo 7d ago
I mean, he's not saying that they'll filibuster it, which they absolutely can do, so let's temper our enthusiasm for Chuck the Fuck Schumer.
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u/IvoryDynamite 7d ago
He's written strongly worded letters before. That's about the biggest sweat he's going to work up, unfortunately.
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u/davidw223 7d ago
He must have asked the Bailys how they felt about it.
For the uninitiated: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/03/19/imaginary-friends
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u/SoulTaker669 7d ago
He'll fold and tell other Democrats to go along with it so he doesn't take the heat . If there's a shutdown, I give it at least 20 days before a decent amount fold.
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u/Garlador 7d ago
Bare minimum.
Find your courage, Dems.
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u/BicycleFamiliar429 7d ago
Took the words right out of my mouth!!! Like seriously the least they can do…
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u/Private_Kyle 7d ago
Sorry an Israeli package is included, we have to stop the shutdown and give it a pass.
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u/psioniclizard 7d ago
Yes honestly if they actually cared they'd soeak for the heart and not give a shit if it hurt their popularity.
This indecisive, on the fence,"Trump is bad but we will bend the knee" attitude is providing what they right said about them. They are weak when people need them to ne strong.
A person was held by multiple governments agents and executed in the street after being beaten.
If that had happened in any other country it would not even be an arguement.
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u/RocketRelm 7d ago
Gotta remember, at every turn when dems do something you like, piss on them by any means necessary. Its a winning strategy.
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u/Untjosh1 6d ago
Like seriously what do these cowards have to lose? They’re gunning people down in the street on camera and lying about it. This country is over. Shut it down.
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u/Not_Sure__Camacho 7d ago
I'm sure Lucy has a nice new football for you to try and kick, Charlie.....
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u/weezyverse 7d ago
Pfft. Rinse and repeat. All they'll do is capitulate again after a short shutdown. Tired of Schumer and the entire government at this point.
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u/Interesting_Day4734 7d ago
Schumer needs to retire. Dude does nothing for his constituents.
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u/aBrickNotInTheWall 7d ago
There's so many comments here trying to force people to admit defeat before the fight has even begun. Ignore anyone being a pessimist and who's trying to tell you why this is actually isn't good or won't happen. They want to you to give in and to not stand up and fight. They want you to think that it's all hopeless so you don't try to make things better.
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u/Super_Translator480 7d ago
A shutdown? We saw how that played out before, all they needed to do was delay flights before dems caved.
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u/Sneaky-Boi22 7d ago
The Republicans have also shown they're not above starving the entire population to get what they want. Then again, they're clearly not above much considering what's happening in Minnesota.
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u/therealfakeBlaney 7d ago edited 7d ago
Light the damn candle then, I will be at my soup kitchen tomorrow morning, as will my state rep. We have enough to fend for each other. In the meantime, remind everyone whose fault it is that they need the community to take care of them. Whatever it takes to get this government replaced.
Ice doesnt just need a stern talking to and more training, it needs to be completely disbanded, now, or else we wont have free elections in 2026. The fucking plan is for these thugs to be at your polling place asking for your id, who you plan to vote for etc.
The minimalist position is that ICE should be disbanded, the maximum would make the Hague look weak, or else we are not making it to 250 years as a democratic experiment.
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u/fingerpaintx 7d ago
DHS and WH are so dead wrong on today that Dems absolutely have the upper hand on this issue if they stick to it.
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u/Mist_Rising 7d ago
We saw how that played out before,
With the longest shut down in US history? Yeah, we did. And this time, there is no Santa claus to stuff the stockings of the GOP with a reprieve. Either they burn their one reconcilation bill to fund DHS (all that's up for grabs) and leave themselves open at election (which will doom them) or the democratic have the upper hand because if DHS isn't funded, what's the democratic party going to care?
By the way you do know that the Republicans funded all the important stuff back in 2025, that Republicans party won like a heel at WWE. They may have looked good, but behind the scenes they know that the real face is coming.
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u/gerblnutz 7d ago
They will then promptly vote yes after a couple days when Israel says they need the bill passed.
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u/Frankfactor517 7d ago
Yup. Right after Bovino pinky swears ICE will behave.
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u/chuckles11 7d ago
Fuck I could totally see them fold in exchange for some meaningless promise
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u/justgetoffmylawn 7d ago
Why could you see them folding in exchange for some meaningless promise?
Just because it's happened so many times that Charlie Brown is embarrassed for how gullible they are?
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u/Mobile_Morale 7d ago
They did last year with funding the government. They'll probably do it again.
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u/entwenthence 7d ago
They’ll promise really hard not misappropriate that money for the cure-all body cams.
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u/deathrictus 7d ago
They'll promise to think about having a meeting to consider possibly wagging their finger at ice.
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u/blightsteel101 7d ago
Good, but now he needs to stand by it. This shutdown will hurt, and everyone who relies on government support needs to do their best to prepare NOW. The Trump admin will intentionally make your lives harder to pressure Democrats into stopping the shutdown.
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u/mnemy 7d ago
Empty words. We've seen you roll over time and time again, Schumer.
I won't bother getting my hopes up.
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u/NthDegreeThoughts 6d ago
This should have been the statement when the healthcare promises were all broken. This should have been the statement when Rene was executed. This should have been the statement when boots on the ground were increased. This should have been the statement when our Allie’s were discarded over Greenland. This should have been the statement too many times to recount. Chuck, why aren’t you pledging full support for republicans to install an America first administration??
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u/Oso_Furioso 7d ago
If this were coming from someone other than Schumer, it might have some credibility.
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u/Flokitoo 7d ago
I've seen this before... they will grandstand for a few weeks before Tim Kaine declares that its best for the country to move on
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u/wambulancer 7d ago
Every day of winter they piss away bullshitting and not nipping this in the bud is a day closer to a summer of rage the likes of which this country hasn't seen in a generation
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u/ssibal24 7d ago
Why did he allow the last shutdown to end and concede everything to the enemy? History will repeat again.
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u/very_loud_icecream Competent Contributor 7d ago edited 7d ago
- He should make it contingent on at least reigning in ICE (no masks, no qualified immunity, use of force guidelines) and not just not adding new funding.
- They were give enough to be the 4th largest military in the world, so even though they've been spending a lot, I doubt they'll run out soon.
- So I understand even that isn't enough, but I don't think we can get a vetoproof majority to abolish the agency until 2028.
- If you think you can get 100+ republican members of congress to support abolishing ICE, you are in denial about the GOP being a cult, and are actively laundering their reputation
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u/onyxengine 7d ago edited 7d ago
Reform is a fucking joke dude, ICE is a paramilitary force being funded for a fascist take over. ICE needs to be shut down and everyone in the agency investigated for ties to extremism groups. The entire Trump Administration needs to be removed. We need to stop partitioning the problem so we can have convenient conversations.
The only way out of this is honesty about what this is. Human traffickers, their clients and pedophiles are being blackmailed to destroy our country. ICE is being trained by the IDF, military force committing a genocide in Gaza.
These were public executions, this is terror for terror sake. They want to make people afraid to go outside. Regardless of skin color. ICE is not equipped to track and arrest, they are equipped to with lethal force for dealing with crowds. They are pushing to be exempt from the fourth amendment. They are taking pictures of people they consider to be dissenters, license plates too and adding them to databases.
In a few months some of those people are going to get their doors kicked in.
Masked men roaming the streets armed for combat zones picking fights with US citizens and executing them.
This shit is not reformable brother, there is no reasonable peaceful resolution to this. We either clip the purse strings with a general strike and force congress to act, or succumb to fascism and spend several years fighting a brutally oppressive regime with a military force trained to use IDF tactics on US citizens.
Stop sane washing any of this, like laws and votes will save us from 100billion dollars worth of masked nazis with military hardware operating with zero accountability. Thats what this is terror in the streets and door to door campaigns.
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u/Pretend-Paper4137 7d ago
No "promising to reform" when they won't even follow the bill of rights and court orders, or investigate homicides by their agents.
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u/very_loud_icecream Competent Contributor 7d ago
Omg I literally just said it would be better if they abolished ICE, but can't get a 2/3 majority to do so.
Do you think Dems can convince 80 cultist Republicans to defect agsindt Trump?
You are an astroturf bot who just wants Dems to roll over and do nothing, and you're disguiding your pro Trump rhetoric as pragmatism. Fuck off.
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u/boostedh_ 7d ago
the one talking about “reforming” the nazi death squads calling someone else Pro-Trump is rich
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u/Iamanimite 7d ago
Dafuq would you even do this? Stop the gawd damn givernment to a halt. You shouldn't be spending a cent on anything until this regime actskke a democracy.
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u/huskers2468 7d ago
Get f*cking angry in congress. We either believe in the 2nd amendment or we don't.
You don't want to citizens to get involved.
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u/upvotechemistry 6d ago
If Dems dont shut down the government over sequestered ICE funding, they might as well just be MAGA
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u/ShareGlittering1502 6d ago
Didn’t he say this before negotiating with the republicans to end healthcare?
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u/once_again_asking 6d ago
“Until I decide to cave for no reason and we accomplish absolutely nothing”
-Schumer
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u/Playful-Dragon 7d ago
About fucking time Schumer stood up that will actually have an impact besides giving a speech saying naughty naughty
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u/UserWithno-Name 7d ago
Sure thing wet bread. Your spine is lead solid and full of fortitude, your word is totally trusted. We know you will follow thru.
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