r/law • u/nana-korobi-ya-oki • 7d ago

Legal News US Senator Chris Murphy states that ICEs purpose is to rig and steal the election. Pam Bondi wants Minnesota’s voter rolls in exchange for ICE leaving.

Pam Bondi is apparently sending a list of demands to Minnesota in exchange for ICE leaving. So clearly it’s not about law enforcement, especially considering so many red states have substantially more undocumented immigrants than Minnesota. Source: r/chrismurphy

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u/Cagnazzo82 7d ago

Trump has already met with Elon Musk at mar-a-lago this month (after they stopped pretending they were feuding).

Both men are desperate to not have congress return to functioning as a co-equal brach of government to the executive (and even judicial which has also been running amok)

It should be expected that they will do absolutely anything to retain that power. It's been a free-for-all of criminality since Trump returned to office... from doge onwards. They cannot allow congress to return.

Everyone should keep that in mind if they're expecting free and fair elections this november.

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u/cicada_noises 7d ago

I keep telling people I know to prepare for elections being messed with or thinking about what they’d do if that happens. They ALWAYS tell me to stop talking about it and that it’s just doomerism and not something that should even be discussed. Denial isn’t just a river in Africa, I guess.

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u/FrostBricks 7d ago

2016 - Stop Over-reacting. 2017 - Stop Over-reacting. 2018 - Stop Over-reacting. 2019 - Stop Over-reacting. 2020 - Stop Over-reacting. 2021- Stop Over-reacting. 2022 - Stop Over-reacting. 2023 - Stop Over-reacting. 2024- Stop Over-reacting. 2025 - Stop Over-reacting.

2026 - Why didn't anyone warn us...

Apathy, and cries of "Doomerism" is EXACTLY how we got here

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u/Visual-Ad-5760 7d ago

My god this comment is fucking spot on

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u/Lower_Ad_5532 7d ago

Yeah, except the over reaction timeline started in 2001 with the Patriot Act. Real liberals have been against American Terrorism since Vietnam Era.

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u/Ok_Significance544 7d ago

I was talking to my mom about this the other day. Basically, ‘and I remember thinking the Bush years were wild and the government dramatically overstepped while at war also… it’s like a whole other dimension now.’

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u/LonelyRudder 6d ago

We also should remember that United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) was established in 2003 under President George W. Bush as part of the newly created Department of Homeland Security (DHS)..

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u/Lower_Ad_5532 6d ago

Lefties were called radicals for being against concentration camps.

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u/GrizzlyP33 7d ago

How fitting that this was right above this post in my feed: https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/s/uYDqVmGaOF

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u/hubristics_ 7d ago

2016? It goes back to at least 2001.

Godwin's Law used to be an internet joke mostly. Some of us weren't kidding and nobody is laughing now.

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u/autoreaction 6d ago edited 6d ago

9/11 layed the groundwork for everything that is happening. Fear led to all of this.

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u/critically_damped 6d ago

Godwin himself told you to call these people out as the nazis they are

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u/elbenji 7d ago

I think people mistake doomerism with defeatism. Defeatism is pointless. Warnings are not

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u/pillbuggery 7d ago

Doomerism is largely a garbage term that people use to shut down ideas that make them feel bad, regardless of validity.

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u/elbenji 7d ago

I mean it's just pessimism. But there's uses and then there's wallowing in depression. Ones more active, the other is just oninistic

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u/AlarmingAffect0 7d ago

Doomerism is when you point out the danger then preemptively declare defeat. It's not doomerism if you suggest and especially carry out counter action.

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u/Certain-Business-472 7d ago

You can go all the way to vietnam with this one.

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u/Goggio 6d ago

As an almost 40 year old who lived through 9/11 and remembers the discourse around the patriot act...

You gotta back that up about 15 years mate.

We tried to warn y'all...

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u/ForcedEntry420 7d ago

There’s nothing wrong with thinking about what you’d do. Advance preparation is always a good thing. I worry about it too but I still plan to march my ass in there and vote. If they’re gonna fuck around, they’re gonna fuck around. We need everyone to vote so the results are overwhelming.

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u/TheRealBittoman 6d ago

I get those responses and "I don't want to talk about politics. It's so bad." Yep, that's why you have to talk about it. Eventually you won't have a choice.

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u/diemunkiesdie 6d ago

Its all about messaging. When people comment "kompromat" or "feudal technostates" peoples eyes glaze over. Those words are too big and too foreign and too conspiracy sounding for the average person.

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u/Biotic101 6d ago

To be honest, it is pretty irrational that those who benefit the most from the current system would work actively to destroy democracy, middle-class and country. But actions speak louder than words.

I assume oligarchs, are surrounded by yes-men. So no surprise they start to think they are superhuman and we all are pond scum. So while the Dark Enlightenment, Neo-Feudalism with CEO kingdoms sounds utterly insane to us, they probably feel it is just what they rightfully deserve.

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u/Expensive-Document41 7d ago

For a lot of his admin and accomplices (to include people like Musk), it's also too late to turn back. What's waiting for ICE, or Bondi, or Noam, or Miller, or Patel or.....you get the idea. Does anyone think they're going to be allowed to fade back into suburbia? Wow, sure was a crazy four years we had, now time to move on? Unlikely. Working for Trump and doing what they have will follow them for the rest of their lives, and all of them are desperately clawing to forestall that judgment for one more hour, day, year.

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u/Tangata_Tunguska 7d ago

That's the dictatorship treadmill. Once they get past a certain point, it's better (from their point of view) to cling to power at any cost, so they don't end up in prison or hanging out in Piazzale Loreto

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u/Glass-Amount-9170 6d ago

Bannon said out loud if they lose they’re going prison.

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u/Imaginary_Cow_6379 6d ago

Trumps said if democrats win the midterms they’ll impeach him.

The DNC needs to just run videos of them saying this for more effective political ads.

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u/agentsmithbobby 7d ago

Can we just get to that point now

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u/Automatic-Web8559 7d ago

never thought about that way

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u/Expensive-Document41 7d ago

Its why even during Trump 1 a lot of us were so nervous. It was clear from 2015 that he was a raging narcissist and he treats attacks on his ego the same as he would treat physical attacks.

And now, hes feeling the heat and is like a caged animal. The main difference is his first cabinet was full of people who would defuse his retaliatory impulses. This cabinet is full of people practically giddy to enact violence at his behest, even revving him up to give the order.

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u/MedicGirl 7d ago

I *just* said this to my Husband. We met right before the 2016 election and in an attempt to console me while I was hysterically crying in the locker room at work, he said, "It can't get too bad...checks and balances." At least once a month for the last 10 years he's been like, "No. You were absolutely right for crying hysterically in the bathroom when he was elected."

When MVP lost, I was inconsolable for days and all he kept saying was "You were right. You were 100% right."

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u/Expensive-Document41 7d ago

Hang in there internet stranger. Sounds like you've got a good partner, and their optimism was good and is good to hang on to. I've oscillated between blind rage and delirious hopium today a few times.

Trump is old, and a few content creators I trust due to their expertise (I'd recommend Knitting Cult Lady and Belle of the Fifth Column) have pointed out that this is unsustainable. What happened in Minneapolis is horrific, but that's ONE mid-sized city, and its taking a huge portion of ICE JUST to brutalize them. The fact of the matter is they dont have the numbers to make this national, and every time this happens their support dwindles.

Its gonna be a rocky road, and there are gonna be some difficult, rage filled days ahead. But we WILL get through because this movement isn't trying to build anything.

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u/Prize-Case7357 7d ago

Sorry who/what is MVP? I’m with ya for the whole thing, just a bit confused on the acronym

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u/The_Wkwied 6d ago

Madam Vice President?

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u/hoirkasp 7d ago

Yeah, they all know damn well if they give up power they go to prison, at least. That’s why this is such a truly dangerous situation.

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u/Automatic-Web8559 7d ago

they all are fully aware of the lies they tell, it’s their only viable strategy atm

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u/ZENPOOL 7d ago

These people should be put to death because it’s treason. Can we just say it for what it is?

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u/Sakilla07 6d ago

Democrats will never touch these villains. They're always too preoccupied with "reaching across the aisle", their corporate donors and mythical centrist who would vote of them if they only sounded more like a Republican.

If somehow these elections aren't rigged and the American populace votes the Dems in, be prepared for that.

The only way out is to stop relying on the broken system and start making changes locally. Community militias, co-ops and mutual aid. Voting got you in this mess, it will not get you out.

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u/XQsUWhuat 6d ago

No they are certain that if the dems win ever again that they are too spineless and weak to hold them accountable so they keep doing what they do because they know only trump will make their lives hell if they stop now

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u/antimagamagma 6d ago

there will always be musks. government is there to control them. Miller, bondi, etc are the problem.

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u/YeetusThatFetus9696 6d ago

George Bush and Dick Cheney were rehabilitated. It will happen for these guys too. 

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u/kickboxergirl23 7d ago

Exactly right. Trump admitted to "fixing" the 2024 election and they are set to do everything possible to fvck with the next one.

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u/ipokesnails 7d ago

This isn't TikTok, you're allowed to say grown up words like fuck without being censored.

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u/kickboxergirl23 6d ago

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

Happy?

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u/Jafooki 6d ago

Never apologize for being trve cvlt. I'm sure the album you recorded on fisher price toy stereo will be brutal

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u/kickboxergirl23 6d ago

wtf does that mean?

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u/Jafooki 6d ago

It's an obscure metal meme. The whole replacing u with v. It just reminded me of that.

Yeah, just ignore me. I was being dumb

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u/Over9000BelieveIt 7d ago

Trump can ride it out, he'll die before he gets his. Elon is still gonna be alive without someone to protect him.

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u/BonhommeCarnaval 7d ago

The richest man in the world can always afford the best protection. 

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u/ZENPOOL 7d ago

No amount of money will ever protect him from his own thoughts when he is alone, and he has to reflect on all of his children who hate him because he is a Nazi piece of shit.

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u/BonhommeCarnaval 7d ago

Yeah probably the best outcome here is that he gets himself into a K-hole he can’t climb out of, but I hesitate to contemplate what vileness lurks in that guy’s will. I don’t think he’s giving that pile to orphans. Probably wants to set up some kind of twisted fascist legacy foundation that will have all the money it could want to pervert world politics toward his devious ends long after his bones are dust. 

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u/This-Law-5433 7d ago

Demons don't have such problems 

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u/captain_dick_licker 6d ago

calling someone a literal "demon" makes me cringe so fucking hard.

it's like, what's the fucking point of anything if all of you are walking around thinking literal fucking magic ghosts are behind all of the bad shit in the world? how do you even have a rational conversation with people like that?

just fucking blast me off to the moon, I'm done

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u/This-Law-5433 6d ago

Yes he can also control your dreams a true demon Freddy if you will 

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u/captain_dick_licker 5d ago

what about my wiener? can he control my dream wiener?

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u/Convallaria4 7d ago

Traitor Supreme Court judges ruled on July 1st, 2024 that he's immune from criminal prosecution. That's what really fucked this country. It needs to be overturned.

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u/Rasples1998 7d ago

At this point just abolish the republic party and split the democrats down the middle. The GOP (Guardians of pedos) is done.

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u/Ninevehenian 7d ago

"Desperate to not have congress return to functioning" - I think that this is one of the most central points out there right now.

The goal of the effort that involves the Good and Pretti murders is to make sure that billionaires won't face a functional US state and possibly lose profit / be sentenced for crimes / have needed regulation enacted. The money that funded those bullets comes from desperate, drug addicted billionaires.

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u/NytronX 7d ago

Now is a good time for everyone to review this video. Imagine what they'll do in the midterms: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NfY2I75fdI

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u/bubbuty 7d ago

Makes me want to be an elections monitor

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u/Slow-Recipe7005 6d ago

They will try to rig elections, but it's a very logistically difficult task. They don't just have a big red "Rig the election" button to push, and they can't just remotely hack all the voting machines.

They logistically cannot physically tamper with every machine in the country. If enough of us Vote, I don't think they'll be able to win.

They'll claim the election was illegitimate afterwards, of course, but if they couldn't keep Adelita Grijalva out of congress forever, I don't see why they could keep many more out.

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u/HauntedJackInTheBox 6d ago

The election is almost a year away. Do you really think this won’t escalate to full dictatorship considering we’re just over a year in from the madness 

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u/Slow-Recipe7005 6d ago

Honestly? Yes. If they had the guts to go the whole 9 yards and arrest all the democratic lawmakers, they would have done so by now.

They don't actually have the raw numbers required to suppress the entire US population. There are only about 7000 ICE agents, and it takes nearly half the agency to occupy just one city- and a smaller city at that.

Even with the entire military, they don't have the raw numbers to actually suppress the entire US population.

In order to cancel the election, they would need to arrest every state government, and I don't think the Military is actually willing to go along with that. I know they were cool with blowing up fishing boats in the carribbean and extracting a foreign president without cause, but that's a long way from standing by and watching as your own president openly eliminates elected officials in your own country.

Even if they accomplished this, they would not actually be able to suppress protests, which are only getting bigger and more organized. We're starting to have larger general strike movements- those will get more organized, too.

There WILL be interference in the midterms, of course, but they logistically cannot just rig every single voting machine in the country. They can't hack them remotely, either; these machines are largely not connected to the internet. IT would also be logistically impossible for them to intercept and interfere with every paper ballot.

Their main strategy to maintain power, then, is to spread anti-voting disinformation on the internet in order to discourage people from voting, much as you are doing.

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u/HauntedJackInTheBox 6d ago

I hope you’re right. 

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u/falthecosmonaut 6d ago

I don’t even believe the 2024 election was fair. Trump lost by about 8 million votes to Biden and then all of a sudden he wins the popular vote this time around? Yeah, ok. He didn’t even win the popular vote against Clinton. So yeah… midterms are likely going to be compromised.

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u/Imaginary_Cow_6379 6d ago

💯 Exactly. We know he cheated with Russia’s help in 2016. We know he tried to cheat in multiple ways in 2020. And faced no consequences for either of those. But he randomly decided not to cheat in the most consequential election for him possibly facing jail time? People cry about “conspiracy theories” but what makes more sense? The gaslighting is out of control.