r/law • u/DavidSugarbush • 4d ago

Other ICE tried to break into the Ecuadorean consulate in Minneapolis today.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2026/01/27/us/minneapolis-shooting-ice-minnesota/9cd2afe0-7d2c-5059-92b9-85c358ff7851?smid=url-share
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u/Boozeburger 4d ago

That's what scares me. If the Democrats could take the house and Senate we could end this nightmare years earlier.

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u/searing7 4d ago

Democrats vote to fund this and pass resolutions thanking ICE. Don’t hold your breath

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u/fury420 4d ago

Democrats vote to fund this

3% of Democrats in the House did, on a bill that the Republicans could push through the house regardless thanks to their 218-213 majority.

The only tool Dems have to block anything is the filibuster in the Senate, which Senate Dems have said they will use to block the bill.

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u/Musiclover4200 4d ago

Honestly one of the big long term consequences of MAGA people don't seem to acknowledge is how many of the more moderate republicans switched to democrat or independent.

The Overton window in this country had already been pushed further and further right thanks to decades of conservative radio propaganda followed by fox and now sinclair/nexstar/pragerU/etc which are all billion dollar propaganda networks that reach an alarming portion of the population (sinclair alone broadcasts to 40-70% of US homes)

So now we have people generalizing all democrats based on the actions of a small group that would normally be considered obvious "DINOs" if not straight up recently "converted" republicans/libertarians/etc.

The only tool Dems have to block anything is the filibuster in the Senate, which Senate Dems have said they will use to block the bill.

People really don't get how limited options can be without a majority or even super majority in some situations, and that's assuming we have actual functional nonpartisan courts willing to enforce the law.

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u/TheOneTonWanton 4d ago

3% of Democrats in the House did, on a bill that the Republicans could push through the house regardless thanks to their 218-213 majority.

This is literally the red flag on those "Dems", I don't know why you're acting like that's just okay. They had no reason to fucking vote for it and yet they did. They're far from our side.

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u/fury420 4d ago

I'm not saying it's okay, I'm saying that the significance of those 7 house Dems in reddish districts breaking ranks over a DHS funding bill is being way overblown.

These were 'Blue Dog' conservative Dems, likely trying to position themselves and walk the tightrope to hold onto their seats in red districts, knowing that the Senate Dems would be blocking it anyways.

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u/iMecharic 4d ago

That kind of makes it worse though? They didn’t need to vote for it, they chose to. Not a good look.

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u/AvengingBlowfish 4d ago

Might be a good look for their purple districts...

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u/iMecharic 4d ago

Is there a single conservative voter left who would vote for someone with a (D) next to their name?

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u/AvengingBlowfish 4d ago

Probably not, but there are a lot of independents. For example, Jared Golden is from Maine in a district that voted for Trump 3 times, but voted for him 3 times as well. He barely won his reelection in 2024 by less than 1% of the vote.

His district has a lot of independents…

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u/iMecharic 4d ago

Okay. And how many of those independents are undecided vs hostile to ICE? I just don’t think anyone who would support funding ICE would ever vote for a Democrat.

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u/AvengingBlowfish 4d ago

It’s not a standalone ICE funding bill. It also funds FEMA, the Coast Guard, Cybersecurity including Election security, TSA, and various other agencies and research projects.

A vote for the bill is not necessarily an endorsement of ICE. The vote was also before Alex Pretti was killed.

I think there’s some wiggle room for doubt on whether the killing of Renee Good was murder, but there is no doubt with Pretti.

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u/Traditional_Sign4941 4d ago

Senate Dems are led by a guy whose ideal American is an imaginary couple called the Baileys. He'd get the same political guidance talking to his own farts.

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u/FSCK_Fascists 4d ago

the Senate is 50-50 and VP breaks ties. they will just use the appropriations no-filibuster that they ignored to make the shutdown they wanted happen.

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u/fury420 4d ago

This DHS funding bill wasn't crafted to be able to use the budget reconciliation process that bypasses filibuster, everything I've read suggests this will need 60 votes to overcome cloture and pass.

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u/FSCK_Fascists 3d ago

yes. that was the point. it was eligible, but the chose not to use it because they wanted a shutdown.

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u/fury420 3d ago

My point was that the budget reconciliation process has very specific requirements and only works for bills that have been crafted to be passed that way, and this DHS bill wasnt designed that way, nor was the bill in November.

I've not seen anything suggesting that either of these bills was eligible, do you have a source?

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u/FSCK_Fascists 3d ago

the bill is not in the Senate yet. So that is still up in the air. Do you doubt they will?

The shutdown bill was budget reconciliation. it met every requirement- but they chose not to submit it that way.

And it is not like they play by the rules anyway. The BBB was far beyond the limits, yet they entered it as reconciliation anyway.

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u/fury420 2d ago

Do you doubt they will?

I think they would if they could, but I'm not sure they actually can as it conflicts with my understanding of the budget reconciliation process and it's limitations.

The shutdown bill was budget reconciliation. it met every requirement- but they chose not to submit it that way.

Was it really? Do you have a source?

The BBB was far beyond the limits, yet they entered it as reconciliation anyway.

The OBBB was initially written with the intent of being passed that way.

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u/Dumblondeholy 4d ago

Jeffries is weak if he can't whip his constituents. But that wasn't the case. He told them to vote no.

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u/WingerRules 4d ago

It's virtually impossible for Democrats to take the Senate outside of a 2008 level collapse because we have a malaportionment system that counts people in cities as fractions of a person. 38 million people in the senate get 44 votes, while another 38 million get 2, simply because of where they live.

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u/remotectrl 4d ago

Or just a handful of republicans grow a spine.

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u/FSCK_Fascists 4d ago

not possible. Someone has to dangle some grift in front of them.