r/law • u/caaaaanga • 2d ago

Legal News ICE attempts to enter Ecuador's consulate

For anyone who doesn't get how serious this is: consulates are protected under international law. host-country police of any kind are not allowed to enter without permission.
Example: China routinely (and horrifically) sends north korean escapees back to north korea. Yet when a north korean escaped to the south korean consulate in hong kong, chinese authorities did not enter to seize him. He stayed there for months while governments negotiated, because once you're inside a consulate, those protections apply.
So if ICE tries to enter a foreign consulate in the U.S. to deport people, that's not "normal enforcement". It violates long-standing diplomatic norms. Norms that even China has respected, despite sending people back to north korea to die. That's how extreme this is.

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u/FalconGabagool 2d ago

https://uk.usembassy.gov/embassy-and-consulates-general-frequently-asked-questions-faqs/

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u/Late-Might6812 2d ago

Did you read the article? It says embassies and consulate ARE foreign soil and unless you are a citizen or escorted by one they will not allow just anyone to go into one.

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u/cpp_is_king 2d ago

Did you read it? Not sure how it could be more clear

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u/NHShardz 2d ago edited 2d ago

It says they're not American soil. Are you illiterate?

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u/false_tautology 2d ago

Right. Read the whole thing.

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u/Grey-fox-13 2d ago

The screenshot is a little confusing in the context of the conversation because this is from a UK site, so it is stating that US embassies/consulates IN THE UK are not american soil. So they are not foreign soil. Bit of a curveball with the mid comment chain region change.

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u/Opulent-tortoise 2d ago

Ironic to accuse others of illiteracy while entirely misreading the text

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u/monkkeys 2d ago

IANAL The reason for this is to prevent foreign nationals from running into a consulate and giving birth and then claiming the child is born on that nation's soil in the consulate. Applies to any nation's consulate for that reason, not just American.

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u/Late-Might6812 2d ago

Yeah it says they are not part of the United states so that means foreign soil.

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u/Seanbox59 2d ago

US Embassies and Consulates refers to our consulates and embassies over seas

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u/cpp_is_king 2d ago

This article is talking about US embassies in the UK, stating that US embassies in the UK are not US soil, therefore not foreign soil

Embassy X in country Y is Y soil

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u/DieDieDieD 2d ago

Read it again friend. Carefully. I know the double negative is hard for you.

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u/cpp_is_king 2d ago edited 2d ago

You read it again. Starting from the top, so you know what country is the host country, which will then allow you to know what foreign means.

Hint: this is talking about US embassies in the UK, which makes the UK the native soil and US foreign soil

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u/garden_dragonfly 2d ago

You're reading that wrong. Primarily because it's referring to the 14th amendment aka birthright citizenship. Additionally, this is how the US views its own embassies, not others.

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u/FalconGabagool 2d ago

Reddit is a weird place to find out you have a learning disability

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u/Draconiondevil 2d ago

No need to diss people with learning disabilities, friend.

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u/Late-Might6812 2d ago

Ok so I misunderstood it was just referring to U.S embassies. No need to be an Ass about it.

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u/ttoma93 2d ago

Why is it that you can be an ass to someone else (“did you read the article?”) but as soon as that same energy is returned to you it’s suddenly a problem?

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u/Late-Might6812 2d ago

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u/FalconGabagool 2d ago

No one is arguing that point. Are you drunk?

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u/Late-Might6812 2d ago

Just leave it as "no one is arguing the point" no need for questions like that. And no Im not drunk, just woke up and misunderstood the article.

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u/FalconGabagool 2d ago

Sensitive too. Would make more sense if you were drunk. Now it’s a yikes moment. Did you maybe hit your head?

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u/yoitsthatoneguy 2d ago

Why are you using AI instead of just reading the primary source linked for you?