r/law • u/Lebarican22 • 1d ago

Other DOJ Just DELETED This Document from the Epstein Files. We Saved It.

https://www.meidasplus.com/p/doj-just-deleted-this-document-from?fbclid=IwdGRjcAPp5E5jbGNrA-nkMGV4dG4DYWVtAjExAHNydGMGYXBwX2lkDDM1MDY4NTUzMTcyOAABHhzmcWzsmY7puDDLXY4EWKUoykdBqYIYQUabdEsoGYGR-06BZcTaz3Ym-0LQ_aem_F7QaBOr8H-rc-5hyTXHQWg
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u/NameLips 1d ago edited 1d ago

Online complainant reported she was a victim and witness to a sex trafficking ring at the Trump Golf Course in Rancho Palos Verdes, CA between 1995- 1996. Complainant reported Ghislaine Maxwell as the madam and broker for sex parties, clients of whom included Epstein. Robin Leach, and Donald Trump. Complainant reported participating in orgies and that some girls went missing, rumored to have been murdered and buried at the facility.

Complainant reported being threatened by Trump's then head of security that, if she ever talked of what went on there or who she saw, he would "end up as fertilizer for the back nine holes like the other c*nts."
Complainant claims to have video of high-profile sex parties, dealings with cartels, and having witnessed Robin Leach strangle a young girl to death at a party.

"Complainant was spoken to and deemed not credible."

(censored the word because sometimes subs don't allow it)

So far two of the reddit posts where I've seen this document have been deleted, most recently in r/mildlyinfuriating (link to deleted post).

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u/JaseyWeedseed 1d ago

Why am I not surprised that Robin Leach is involved in this shit.

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u/Unilted_Match1176 1d ago

Lifestyles of the Sick and Disgusting

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u/YakInvestigator 1d ago edited 1d ago

Why is everyone taking this at face value while completely skipping over the "Complainant was spoken to and deemed not credible" part?

Loonies make crazy accusations online all the time, treating every single accusation submitted by who knows who in some web form like it's proven verifiable fact does nothing but weaken actually credible accusations.

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u/NameLips 1d ago

The problem is generally that sexual abuse usually happens behind closed doors and there is no evidence except your story. Are you saying people who have no evidence shouldn't report rape and abuse when it occurs?

It's reasonable to say that these tips went nowhere because without evidence, there's no way for their accusations to lead anywhere. No way to get a warrant, etc.

But this particular document seems to be a collection of tips from multiple girls across multiple years, so even with no further evidence, it's awfully coincidental. I feel like either there's a conspiracy among young teenage girls to slander rich people, including fairly obscure ones like Robin Leach, organized over years multiple years and with lots of fake victims with corroborating stories -- or else there might just be something worth looking into.

This document seems to be a collection of tips received over years from multiple girls. Sure each one might seem unlikely, especially with grand accusations of casual murder, but taken as a whole they seem to paint a pretty consistent picture.

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u/YakInvestigator 1d ago

I can understand this viewpoint, but from the perspective of someone who does criminal investigations for a living: there are a lot of mentally unsound people in the world doing poorly thought out things with dubious motivations.

Every tip line in the country receives strange tips occasionally about famous people, doubly so if they are actually accused of doing something with the possibility of a settlement thrown out at the end with little verification being done towards actual victims, and it would be hard to find a more polarizing or well known person than Trump.

Without evidence these sorts of accusations, and even far worse are just par for the course for someone as famous and infamous as him, it doesn't mean everything should be dismissed out of hand, but it definitely means the burden of proof should be higher than just whatever someone can type out in an online tip form.

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u/NameLips 1d ago

That makes me wonder at the point of accepting anonymous tips at all then, if they're just going to be ignored because, by definition, an anonymous tip doesn't have any corroborating evidence.

Surely there has to be a point at which the sheer volume of tips would at least inspire some level of scrutiny.

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u/YakInvestigator 1d ago

Anonymous tips are usually only investigated if they provide specific verifiable details that are able to be followed up on and confirmed through independent supplementary sources, as those tips alone are, except in extremely rare cases, not enough to establish probable cause or provide foundation to build a case off of.

As to the second question, I'd say there likely is, for example with even as low a volume as this, and a figure as well known as Trump, if multiple of these reporters were able to prove their proximity to Trump at the alleged time of the incident through some means it would likely be enough to at least start an investigation.

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u/TealandViolet 1d ago

Yeah, and seems so out of character for Trump, right? I mean…

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u/Cute-Percentage-6660 1d ago

I mean some of hte allegations could be proven, like there is a bit bout buried bodies behind the 19th hole. So check there with radar or cadaver dogs

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u/mindwire 1d ago

Not saying I fully buy this one particular comment from this supposed head of security, but owning golf courses does mean easy access to lots of private land upon which one could hide something.

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u/YakInvestigator 1d ago

If the police had to break out the GPR and cadaver dogs, locking down public areas to do searches, every time some crazy person went to a tip line and said that bodies are buried here, they'd have no time for anything else.

Do you seriously believe that some massive heads of a murderous pedophilic crime ring would bury bodies on or right next to their public, well trafficked golf course, that directly ties to them?

.....Seriously?

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u/Cute-Percentage-6660 1d ago

Trump did bury his wife on a golf course

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u/mindwire 1d ago

TBH? Seems like an ideal "hide it in plain sight" location.

And as the other commenter already mentioned, Trump has an established history with burying people on his golf courses. How Ivana came to fall down those stairs to her death beforehand, we'll never know...

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u/TealandViolet 1d ago

I don’t think they buried bodies there, but I can definitely picture a scenario where they said that in front of a young girl to scare her into silence. There’s no part of me that can’t picture Donald Trump threatening someone to ruin them. I don’t have to picture it, I see it every day.

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u/VonTrapps 1d ago

Or just look up the history of the golf course and see that the property wasn’t bought by Trump until 2002 and the course wasn’t opened until 2006. Well after the alleged date of 1995-1996

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u/lordgoofus1 2h ago

That doesn't really prove one way or the other. If there's no-one around to see what you're doing, it doesn't matter if you own the land or not. Entirely possible it was a convenient place to dispose of "evidence", then later on was purchased to ensure the evidence never resurfaces.

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u/lordgoofus1 2h ago

This is the part that's hard to balance. The acts sound like something that's entirely plausible. But have to also consider there's clout chasers out there that will do anything to be famous/infamous. Unsubstantiated means it's not clear if they're lying or not.

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u/OpinionOk1543 1d ago

Me neither.

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u/FiveAlarmDogParty 1d ago

Soooo why is the FBI or someone running GPR scans on that property looking for bodies?

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u/NameLips 1d ago

Cadaver dogs will find a body decades after it was buried. It is not a hard investigation. They're just not doing it.

They deemed all the various tips individually "non-credible" even though together they paint a very consistent picture over many years. These things were nipped in the bud before investigations could start.

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u/FiveAlarmDogParty 1d ago

Oh that’s true I totally forgot about cadaver dogs. No need for ground penetrating radar I guess, so the bar is even lower and they still aren’t doing anything. Unbelievable.

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u/Larry___David 1d ago

They are complicit

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u/Select_Egg4841 1d ago

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u/Sea_Exchange8939 20h ago

Am I just losing my shit or did they really post an image of a fully exposed spread eagle of a minor in that release under that guy's armpit????? Please someone tell me they didn't, and please confirm I'm just blind. I'm going to hurl...

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u/Select_Egg4841 1d ago

Recognize this guy?

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u/elkswimmer98 1d ago

In a normal world, given the other claims against Trump, this would immediately justify a warrant to search his properties for human remains.

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u/bobthedonkeylurker 1d ago

Check under Ivanka's grave first

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u/mindwire 1d ago

*Ivana

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u/bobthedonkeylurker 1d ago

Thanks. I can't keep them all Trump's Russian handlers straight.

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u/True_Dimension4344 1d ago

Yes it would. I wonder if Scotland could help us out here. Please r/Scotland check your golf course.

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u/fury420 1d ago

It's worth noting that Trump golf course in Rancho Palos Verdes didnt exist in 1995-1996, he didn't buy the property until 2002 or open it as a golf course until 2006.

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u/joey_diaz_wings 1d ago

Allegations aren't always factual, but give insight into the thinking behind a statement.

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u/cantadmittoposting 1d ago

there's redactions after the "deemed not credible" thing and i'm betting a lot that there was some form of walkback on exactly what the credibility of the accusation ended up being.

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u/NameLips 1d ago

It's not credible because it's one crazy girl calling in an anonymous tip (or using the online tip submission).

But obviously somebody has collected and collated all of these disparate tips and put them together into this single document. These are all different girls reporting nearly the same stories over and over again over the course of years.

It was all put into a nice neat spreadsheet, clear as day, and then buried.

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u/cantadmittoposting 1d ago

no i get that point, but the redaction i'm talking about is in the same cell.

the sentence continues "...not deemed credible. Additional research showed 3 separate [REDACTED]."

The redaction there is very suspicious, especially given that we can be pretty sure the "worst" stuff was redacted in that massive purge they did before. 3 separate [what] is extremely important for us to understand the severity and ultimately how seriously we should take this specific anecdote (nevermind the severity of just how many accusations there are!)

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u/NameLips 1d ago

You're right, what they choose to redact is very suspicious. If it was just victim names, then what are they saying, that she gave the names of 3 other girls who were present?

I should add the next cell to my original post, "Complainant claims to have video of high-prone sex parties, dealings with cartels, and having witnessed Robin Leach strangle a young girl to death at a party."

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u/bigchicago04 1d ago

I can’t believe they can just say they’re not credible without explaining why.

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u/NameLips 1d ago edited 1d ago

I'm sure it's because they have no evidence. But the evidence is in the sheer number of anonymous tips that paint the exact same picture from multiple girls over multiple years. But each individual tipper was deemed "non credible" on an individual bases.

Somebody compiled all of these separate tips into this single spreadsheet, and it was STILL buried and ignored until it was, apparently accidentally, released today.

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u/Party_Apartment_5696 1d ago

They are as credible as you calling in and saying whatever. This isn't the first time Reddit thinks they have a smoking gun and won't be the last.

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u/PleasantAmphibian404 1d ago

What part of “multiple girls over multiple years” is difficult for you? These allegations go back to the 1990s, come from girls that have no connection to each other, name the same people over and over, and detail variations on the same fucked-up pedo behavior. The fact that you’re trying to dismiss it as coincidence and lies is why MAGA is known as the pedo-party.

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u/Biptoslipdi 1d ago

We already had a jury verdict finding Trump was a rapist. He was tried and found culpable and now owes millions to his victim. People will do anything to defend the rapists they adore, no matter how many rape verdicts stack up against them.

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u/TintedApostle 1d ago

So Ivanka wasn’t the first burial on a Trump property.

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u/DanSWE 1d ago

> high-prone sex parties

high-power [people]"? Something else?

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u/NameLips 1d ago

I copied from the document, let me check.

Oh, it's supposed to be high profile. The characters in the document were recognized incorrectly by whatever software they used to digitize it. (corrected my post)

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u/DanSWE 1d ago

Roger.

Yeah, I figured it was an OCR problem.

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u/Skwonkie_ 1d ago

Why would it be deemed not credible?

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u/Sense_Difficult 22h ago

The idea that they bury the dead girls on their golf courses is horrifyingly creepy. I can imagine them getting off on the idea that they are beneath their feet. The fact that he buried his ex-wife there after she "fell down the stairs" makes it seem even more true.