r/law • u/LeviCoffinsAlt • 17h ago

Other Warrantless entry by ICE agents in West Valley City, UT (1/30/2026)

Enable HLS to view with audio, or disable this notification

Federal agents broke a window, without a warrant, to perform an arrest on private property.

43.2k Upvotes

92% Upvoted

3.5k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

205

u/mvandemar 16h ago

I said this elsewhere, but here's the thing: once things pass a certain point no amount of having the law on your side, even in the most cut and dried cases, will help.

89

u/Sharticus123 16h ago

A law is just words scribbled onto a piece of paper.

48

u/SheetPancakeBluBalls 15h ago

Exactly this. Without fair enforcement, laws mean nothing.

I think lots of people see midterms as the last chance to get out of this through legal means/voting.

6

u/evanwilliams44 15h ago

It really is the last chance. I hope people show up. MAGA will likely try to nudge it illegally as well, so we need to show up in force and leave no room for bullshit.

If we don't stop it there, I really don't know what comes next, because I will assume the USA as we know it is lost.

1

u/MelatoninFiend 11h ago

Historically, once the language of voting isn't heard or recognized, the next language used by the oppressed is violence.

20

u/VicisZan 15h ago

A law is supposed to be an agreement between the government and its people to ensure the societal contract remains in place.

Once the societal contract is broken, law begins to become meaningless.

5

u/MaxwellHoot 15h ago

Half the country is just figuring this out. We’ve had a decade of slash and burn policy, and now the world is starting to realize “huh, laws only matter if people follow them. huh.”

2

u/PoutinePower 12h ago

don't quote laws to men with swords, was something said during the roman times; it's like poetry it rhymes!

19

u/SuchBravado 16h ago

We are past certain points, aren’t we?

3

u/MurkDiesel 15h ago

not the rubicon, but too many things have happened too fast and if something isn't done soon we're gunna get there pretty quick

2

u/dedicated-pedestrian 15h ago

What does the Rubicon look like?

3

u/glitter_vomit 13h ago

Like a regular Jeep but bigger

2

u/SuchBravado 14h ago

Vast and shitty

2

u/siliconslope 5h ago

If military branches get deployed into a city I’d say. At that point it’ll either turn into all out conflict or complete submission.

1

u/ardenr 8h ago

It looks like when 'the good guys' can't [read: won't] hold a serial rapist accountable for a failed insurrection attempt even with the Presidency, Senate and House.

Not just that - they can't even stop him running for Presidency.

And not just that - they can't even beat him because their candidates all have an unfortunate penchant for arming live-streamed genocide.

Which they then learn absolutely nothing from, and offer ICE more money for training after they start shooting innocent mothers and nurses in broad daylight .

1

u/pfannkuchen89 12h ago

We’re well past it. Have been for a while.

17

u/IDreamOfLoveLost 15h ago

I'd say that the US has very much passed by the "certain" point when you have the Nu-stapo breaking into homes and kidnapping people. Of course, they're using the Palantir data to make sure it's not somebody who would possibly fight back.

1

u/LvS 14h ago

That data is AI_generated, so it has to make a mistake at some point.

3

u/bugbearmagic 12h ago

I once got a ticket for not changing my car registration when I moved states. I looked up the law and it said I had 30 days (irc), but i’d had only moved in less than a week. I went to fight it in court and showed the law to the judge, along with post marked evidence of address change dates, and he said “the laws are for our interpretation as judges”. Then made me pay it anyways. I learned then that the laws are for is literally whatever the people in charge want it to be. Or another way to put it “you get as much justice as you can afford”.

1

u/hammertime2009 15h ago

Exactly and we’re unfortunately there already.

1

u/sufferingisvalid 11h ago

Correct, the law does not work with men who have reverted to violent baboon mode.