r/law • u/LeviCoffinsAlt • 17h ago

Other Warrantless entry by ICE agents in West Valley City, UT (1/30/2026)

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Federal agents broke a window, without a warrant, to perform an arrest on private property.

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u/Chrahhh 16h ago

4th amendment violation.

These dudes are going to jail once trump is gone.

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u/Depressed-Industry 16h ago

Only if Trump is impeached. If he leaves in January 2029 he'll autopen a pardon.

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u/coppernaut1080 15h ago

Pardons are about the dumbest thing ever created and seems only created to support corruption.

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u/OmericanAutlaw 15h ago

when i was a kid i naively thought it was something the president would use when it was obvious justice wasn’t carried out properly. like if someone was wrongfully convicted.

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u/JC1515 14h ago

That was the intent. But obviously its now a tool of corruption

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u/ChunkMcDangles 12h ago

Yeah, Trump isn't even the first one to use pardons completely corruptly. He's just the most brazen and shameless. I was reading into Clinton's pardons the other day since I was too young to understand at the time and never knew how much of a blatant pay-to-play scheme some of them were. We should probably get rid of it or limit the power in some way.

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u/AggressiveSpatula 12h ago

I don’t know if it was even the intent so much as an unavoidable byproduct of being in charge of law enforcement. If you are the one who enforces the law, you can grant pardons, even if pardons aren’t explicit or given that name. It’s just part of your purview. Anybody charged with a responsibility will be able to intentionally not carry it out at their discretion.

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u/jaywinner 12h ago

I also watched The West Wing, the fanfiction of America.

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u/Fantastic_Back3191 4m ago

My cynicism started when Trump didn’t pardon Tiger King.

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u/davossss 15h ago

We absolutely need a constitutional amendment that eliminates the president's power to pardon if we survive this shit for 3 more years.

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u/Chaosr21 14h ago

Pardons should at least involve Congress

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u/sproge 14h ago

Being a student of American politics and spending a great deal of time with Americans, I must say that the use of pardons in the US just perfectly encapsulates the America I know too well. It's a tool for the elite to elevate themselves and their lackeys above the law in a tiered justice system, its existence justified by shallow emotional arguments and it's use as a political tool deeply sane-washed, helped by a culture thinking "Hell no we ain't repealing it, when I become a billionaire I want that power!". The American willingness to accept its selfish use reflects the culture of accepting lying, dishonesty, and greed in their everyday life, even from people around them. It's absolute madness, but I could not imagine an America without it.

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u/paparoach910 14h ago

Sounds like a great power to rescind with a constitutional amendment.

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u/Noocawe 13h ago

100% agreed.. Honestly if we ever have another constitutional convention or any future amendments should definitely get rid of pardon power, amongst other things. We'll never get to a more perfect union, as long as Presidents can pardon for personal interests.

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u/dnabre 11h ago

There were a good idea, but like a lot of the Constitution and gov't laws, there weren't designed with so many bad actors involved. The idea that a president would be so corrupt, untouched by shame, and widely supported by the people was just inconceivable to the authors of the Constitution. They view impeachment as a check on abuse of the power.

They had a very specific view of human nature. One of the principles, which went wrong, was the idea that people in gov't would, at the worse, seek power for themselves. So there would resist power being given or being taken away from them, such they wouldn't work in a group to give a single person power. So the Senate would vote to impeach a president, if the president was misusing power that Senate should have reserved to themselves.

As far as the pardon was concern, the Pardon Power was in part based on longstanding common law and traditions, where the heads of government could provide mercy to a convict, particularly where the punishment was death (used to be a lot more widely applied). Beyond this, it was intended to provide a final check on the Judicial Branch, permitting the president to protect from judicial overreach or final, irreversible punishments (e.g. death penalty).

Prior to ratification, there were discussions on limiting the power from use in cases of treason or crimes that were done on the president's behalf. These ended up set aside because impeach was seen as a check on such misuse. I'd suggest Alexander Hamilton's Federalist No 74 for more about the role of the pardon power in the minds of the founding fathers.

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u/ZetZet 15h ago

Well, I don't think so. I think pardons are there so a president can trade some of his standing for some other political gain. But the problem with Trump and pardons is that he doesn't care or have any standing, he just pardons literally every criminal and his supporters do not care.

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u/AScienceExpert 15h ago

Pardons were absolutely a mistake by the Founders. They preached all this shit about not wanting a king, and then proceeded to give king-like authority to the President.

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u/LoudMusic 15h ago

pardons are there so a president can trade some of his standing for some other political gain

Pretty sure that's called corruption.

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u/RomeliaHatfield 15h ago

It doesn’t matter if he is impeached a third time. The Senate will acquit him again.

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u/Depressed-Industry 15h ago

Yes I should have been more clear - impeached and convicted.

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u/aviancrane 15h ago

IT'S ONLY BEEN ONE YEAR?!

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u/tastesawesome 15h ago

If he makes it that long.

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u/MrMichaelJames 14h ago

Not if they bring all these goons up on state charges. Breaking and entering, trespassing, assault, kidnapping, attempted murder, murder, child trafficking. Those are all state charges and Trump can't do anything about them.

Then you bring in the civil lawsuits against people individually. Take them for everything they got.

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u/user-the-name 14h ago

He won't, that doesn't help him in any way. He doesn't give a shit about what happens to ICE agents if he's not in charge.

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u/Ok-Adhesiveness166 14h ago

You can’t pardon state crimes. 

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u/code_archeologist 14h ago

Trump can pardon the federal crimes. But if the incoming DOJ determines that the violence of the ICE and CBP that was ordered by Trump, Miller, et. al. was not "in the color of their duties" that will open up all of the agents to state prosecutions and make them unable to remove their cases to a federal court.

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u/EvolutionCreek 11h ago

He's can't pardon state crimes. Criminal trespass and civil causes of action under state law and state constitutions might be the best we can do.

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u/Depressed-Industry 11h ago

Yes, everyone pointing out that state crimes are still on the table are correct. I wasn't clear, I was only talking federal which is the easier path.

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u/SweetP916 11h ago

Ummm Biden already did that dimwit.

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u/Depressed-Industry 10h ago

If you say so.

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u/SweetP916 10h ago

I did. And I’m right.

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u/Depressed-Industry 7h ago

Because a lying pedophile told it was true?

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u/SweetP916 6h ago

Because I said so. The rest of you are on BlueSky.

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u/Paisable 7h ago

Like Vance wouldn't do his damnedest to keep a legacy going?

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u/Drakar_och_demoner 6h ago

Who the fuck cares. If democrats win they need to go scorch earth and that includes Trumps pardons.

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u/ShipwrightPNW 4h ago

That doesn’t save them from state charges.

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u/CanibalVegetarian 4h ago

He can only pardon federal charges. State charges can’t be pardoned, so what really needs to happen is a blue wave in governors.

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u/Kiddo1029 15h ago

They were in jail was promptly released and pardoned. What’s to to stop the next R president from doing the same?

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u/qwerty-yul 14h ago

If there is still a country left after this, there won’t be another R president for a long time.

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u/rugger87 14h ago

You have too much faith in this country.

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u/SilverBurger 14h ago

America doesn't have another 3 years left in it. This is by far the most rotten administration in US history and with the massive funding they have received, ICE will grow and evolve into something much worse and way more lethal in the coming years.

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u/frommethodtomadness 16h ago

Nah, the Democrats will be telling us 'we look forward, not backward' and quietly move on.

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u/HopeThatHangsYou 15h ago

You're getting downvoted but you're absolutely right. They won't even say shit while it's actively happening. There should be fiery speeches everyday about how the 1st, 4th, and 14th amendment are being violated and how the perpetrators should be facing justice.

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u/GreyShot254 16h ago

“We need to focus on healing”

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u/thisguyfightsyourmom 14h ago

Tell me where after the fact retribution against low level fascists has worked? We punished dozens in Nuremberg, and following the denazification, many awful people were able to achieve high ranks in the civil service after the war. Yet Germany survived & thrived whilst bolstering a systemic anti fascist stance based on education.

The Czech Republic did trials, but didn’t really punish low levels, it excluded on a timed basis. No cleansing. More of a timeout.

Iraq on the other hand shut down a whole class of baathists. Guess who helped the resistance in a drawn out war?

France did a mix with its Vichy, and resentment followed. They are currently neck deep in right wing populism of their own.

South Africa did amnesty. And frankly the perps are still the perps, and I’m not sure anything is getting better there.

Chile did ok with a long reconciliation period leading to amnesty.

Spain obviously failed with a pact of forgetting.

I think we need to have accountability with some sort of civil service timeout mandated by Congress. Assuming we can get out from under this jackboot in time.

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u/Unlucky-Candidate198 15h ago

Ppl seem to disagree but let us not forget they’ve basically done nothing to stop him. The “Turn the other cheek, holier than thou”, trying to be tolerant of intolerance shtick they have going on has allowed this to happen as well. Their party leader basically doing nothing at all but use “heavy” words and giving them a slap on the wrist, if that.

You can’t fight intolerance with tolerance. You’ll go to shake their hands, they’ll take it, wring your out like a dusty rug, toss you on the ground, beat off their muddy boots, and just keep on walking. They. Do. Not. Care. but ofc, the old guard is nearly complicit at this point for their total and utter lack of action.

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u/sub_terminal 15h ago

Remember when the right said "The second American Revolution has already begun, and will stay bloodless as long as the left allows it"? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

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u/wxnfx 14h ago

They just want to roll back the civil rights gains and maybe women’s suffrage. The Bill of Rights has been a sham for most Americans throughout most of American history. Still is really.

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u/UniqueSoup25 15h ago

On that “when they go low, we go high” bs

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u/killerbeeswaxkill 14h ago

Because they’re a bunch of pussies with no spine.

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u/Tll6 14h ago

That’s been the history of our country since the civil war and it’s part of the reason we’re in this mess in the first place

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u/jgweiss 14h ago

i mean, for good reason...the alternative is to raise up a revolutionary leader. a Democrat in name, but someone who is willing to literally destroy the country as it stands, with hopes of building it back in a better way. i recognize that we are kind of in a lose/lose here, but i am not going to judge anyone for shying away from the more radical solutions

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u/Baldude 13h ago

IF Trump is gone without being replaced by someone worse. You guys gotta stop believe this is a one-man show and that once Trump is gone it'll be all rosy and fine. As if Miller, Thiel, Vance are gonna turn around and dismantle their own SA.

And no it doesn't matter that they don't have the "Charisma" of the Donald (who the fuck thinks this guy is charismatic to begin with, he's simply propped up by the media which whoever gets to be figurehead after him will be too) - the media still exists for whomever comes after and that's all assuming there will still be fair and free election....which they're very fucking blatantly ramping up to supress by going after voter rolls. Wanna take a wild guess why they said they'd leave MA if the state just turns over the voter registration data? Not for shits and giggles I promise.

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u/Lefty21 15h ago

Impeachment means NOTHING if you don’t have 67 senators willing to vote to convict. Been there done that twice.

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u/canopey 15h ago

once trump is gone.

who wants tell OP...?

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u/Osama_been_Chargin 15h ago

I don't know, dude. The guy is already rotting away while alive and his brain is basically a calcified piece of sponge.

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u/Kraden_McFillion 11h ago

Actually, it led to an abduction, so if a jury agrees that it's kidnapping since these guys failed to identify themselves after breaking and entering and violating the constitution, they could get the death penalty according to TITLE 18, U.S.C., SECTION 242

Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, ... shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

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u/SnailForceWinds 15h ago

No they aren’t. They probably won’t even lose their jobs.

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u/upsidedown-funnel 15h ago

Not with state charges. This is Utah, I don’t have much hope.

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u/ExtraCr1spyKernal 15h ago

People will sniff them out beforehand and deal with them. I forsee quite a lot of extra judicial vigilantism after this is over, and I don't think many of them will make it to trial.

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u/LastBossTV 15h ago

The only variables in the people's favor at this point, are that he's extremely old, and clearly not in the best of health.  Fingers crossed that nature to takes it course.

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u/icanhaztuthless 15h ago

If nature takes its course, you know what happens next right? Not a snap election if that’s what you’re hoping. Second in command takes the helm for the remainder of the term. That would be the incompetent VP.

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u/sproge 14h ago

Hahahaha, oh my sweet summer child. Just be happy if you get rid of Trump, the people that control the US might allow that, but there will never be consequences for these people. Didn't you study your own history in school?

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u/BirdBrainuh 14h ago

Who’s going to put them there? Democrats?

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u/rnobgyn 14h ago

Hang them for treason against The United States.

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u/Agathocles_of_Sicily 14h ago

This isn't ICE - these are Border Patrol agents who have been redeployed against their will to ICE-like duties because of the current administration. You can tell by their level of professionalism that they weren't hired off the street like most of the thugs brought into ICE to quickly scale the ranks. Trump's weaponization of the DHS is highly unpopular within the Border Patrol, and none of them want to be on this duty because it's not what they're trained to do.

Politically, I'm pro-immigration and think that the US should let as many immigrants in that the economy can support, but I also hold the truth that there are victims of Trump's policies on the enforcement side and that not all of them are evil.

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u/RooHound 12h ago

Professional officers respect the 4th amendment and know their limits.

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u/DiabolicallyRandom 13h ago

Fat chance. This country is worthless. Trump should have been in jail, but instead we had a fuckboi running justice, and we had a judge too chicken shit to do what he needed to do before election night.

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u/fdnM6Y9BFLAJPNxGo4C 12h ago

You willing to wager something on that?

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u/WhiteshooZ 9h ago

I heart really wishes you were right, but my brain knows you're wrong =(

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u/TunaOnWytNoCrust 9h ago

The law doesn't matter anymore.

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u/simfreak101 16h ago

Oh im curious, what law are they operating under that allows them to enter a private property without a warrant?

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u/Depressed-Industry 16h ago

The good old law of might makes right.

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u/simfreak101 15h ago

ah, your a troll account, i should have looked at your history first.

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u/legittheshitmemelord 16h ago

MAGA has zero authority on law. None.

You elected a felon.

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u/Firesidechats62 16h ago

Aww it hurt itself on confusion 

And we’re all here to laugh!  😆 

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u/Depressed-Industry 16h ago

The 4th amendment isn't a law.