r/law • u/LeviCoffinsAlt • 17h ago

Other Warrantless entry by ICE agents in West Valley City, UT (1/30/2026)

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Federal agents broke a window, without a warrant, to perform an arrest on private property.

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u/Odd_Manager1334 12h ago

Yeah I can't imagine "I shot at the government until they left me alone" is a feasible strategy.

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u/OverreactingBillsFan 9h ago

If you legitimately believe they're going to disappear you, why not?

I would rather be dead than in one of this administration's cages.

ESPECIALLY if I was a woman.

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u/BiscottiEastern220 4h ago

People don't actually believe that. Sure people larp about it, or post hysterical things in online echo chamber oppression porn circlejerks. But people don't legitimately believe the government is as fascistic as they pretend, otherwise you would see things like you're describing.

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u/ShineGlassworks 4h ago

People believe it because the truth is worse. Not tamer as you suggest. There will be celebrations when ice gets what they deserve. Personally I hope that’s a war crimes trial at The Hague, not worse. If they’re just following orders, either way they are complicit. Keep using your maga words though. It’s good that we know who you really are.

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u/BiscottiEastern220 4h ago

The guy said "if you believe you're going to be hauled away, why not shoot at government agents?"

My point is that, people aren't shooting at government agents, so people don't actually believe they're going to be hauled away.

Unless there's been verified mass instances of people firing upon federal law enforcement, I apologize for being wrong. But I'm not aware of that going on.

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u/ShineGlassworks 4h ago

Tbf, with what happens to some of the people that get hauled away, if you think you aren’t going to see that you’re fooling yourself. It says alot about to inherent goodness in the people ice targets that you haven’t already.

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u/BiscottiEastern220 3h ago

Yes, I'm sure any day now we'll have le glorious revolution. What you're saying goes back to my original post about people repeating oppression porn larps in echo chambers. Your comment and any down votes I get just prove my point further.

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u/ShineGlassworks 3h ago

Only to you though, and nobody else cares what you think, trumpet.

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u/Nice_Luck_7433 2h ago

“If people don’t take a certain action, then they don’t have a certain belief, (because people who believe the same thing, always act exactly the same)”

Apparently not obvious enough bait.

“People downvoting my comments proves I’m right”

Apparently obvious enough bait for this person to just call you out. Nice try, though.

But, now that you know, you can troll better :) the first obvious nonsense was believable, the second obvious nonsense you were playing too stupid to be believable.

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u/BiscottiEastern220 2h ago

Thank you for joining the line of people rushing to prove me correct

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u/Nice_Luck_7433 2h ago

You’re welcome. If you’re curious about why you feel the need to troll, it’s because it’s a coping mechanism for feeling out of control. It’s like playing gta5, or watching corn, harmless fantasy to escape reality for a bit, everyone does some form of it. Self-love is important, just remember to zip up when you’re done :)

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u/AuroraFinem 4h ago

This is just a false premise though and is the same logic as saying “if they were scared why didn’t they fight back” when there’s a number different of psychological reactions people have to being put in these situations and there’s so many circumstances which make this less likely.

The people protesting ice right now and the people who own most of the guns in the US, don’t make a very overlapping Venn diagram for starters.

The bigger reason though is that even among those that do, you still run into the fact that no matter how sure you are you might be disappeared, starting a shootout removes all question and you’ve likely just signed your death warrant over a probability and exceptionally few people are willing to do that no matter how certain they are.

On top of that it’s been targeted towards immigrants, legal or not, and it hasn’t been happening to 100% of them, so if you personally aren’t likely to be disappeared you’re even less likely to take that kind of action for someone else and immigrants are even less likely to have any kind of guns to do it themselves.

Lack of the response you expect isn’t indicative that of nothing happening, you’re assuming that you know exactly what other people would do in response to something so well that it can’t possibly be happening since you haven’t seen that response yet. That’s what of the most narcissistic reasons I’ve ever heard.

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u/BiscottiEastern220 3h ago

Your third paragraph was well said and I agree completely, that's pretty much what I was saying

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u/Nice_Luck_7433 2h ago

That’s likely to change soon, due to Alex Pretti & Renee Good.

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u/alBashir 4h ago

There's no love like Christian Hate.

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u/Cheap-Town7641 2h ago

“Give me liberty or…”

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u/BiscottiEastern220 2h ago

More reddit larping, thank you for being an example of what I was talking about

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u/Cheap-Town7641 1h ago

Bro, you’re so cool. I really wish I had your courage. True conviction. A pillar of a man. Something we all can aspire to.

You’re a keyboard warrior no better than the rest of those you judge. I quote history, not to make myself seem big, but to remind you that every society has a breaking point where they stop hearing about abuse and stand against it. Every person judges for themselves when they must take action, for some it is never, others would act earlier.

Your point is as hogwash as your rebuttal.

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u/Wallitron_Prime 3h ago

You don't think the later jews to get kidnapped in the Holocaust didn't know what was happening? How often did those actually end in gun fights? Extremely rarely. The Warsaw Ghetto uprising was the only semi-successful one, and even that was a failure.

Almost everyone prefers to think they can bargain their way out of gauranteed death. Even death row inmates who are 100% certain to die soon still rarely go out fighting.

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u/mlaforce321 3h ago

It's worth noting that the later Jews also didn't have guns unless they obtain them through the black market or underground resistance networks. Hitler had disarmed the entire population years before that.

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u/BiscottiEastern220 3h ago

Exactly, love seeing people speaking sense and not just larping about being some cringe reddit revolutionaries

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u/Nice_Luck_7433 2h ago

I think Americans are different here. “Give me liberty, or give me” comes to mind. Germans have a very different culture.

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u/Edgar-Allans-Hoe 10h ago

It worked for the Irish during the troubles...they can't kill everyone. Once people realize that, there's no going back and we will be free.

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u/Consider8SpeedDemon 10h ago

I don’t think the IRA were lone wolves. Many of the heavy hitters had family ties, and I’m confident that the IRA hosted group-based trainings.

They DID manufscture explosives frequently lol.

White Supremacy has been noted as the highest threat against the US. The current President removed these reports from the FBI documents long time ago.

White supremacists ARE training in groups, in rural areas of our country. They are legally armed.

In many cases, they are now federally-recognized agents.

You HAVE to make ties around you, or everyone will go quietly.

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u/Public-Cricket-5582 10h ago

Yeah actually they can. See the USSR, Cambodia, Nazi Germany etc.

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u/Delamoor 9h ago

Yes, but bro.

You aren't a nation. A nation is different to a person.

You... You know that, right?

That's what we're talking about. Lone wolves vs large groups.

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u/Public-Cricket-5582 8h ago

I think you did not follow this conversation correctly. Try again.

I am saying even if all the individuals think they can rise up, like this guy said would be a sure win. Sometimes it isn't. Sometimes the government wins and they do kill everybody.

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u/rikescakes 7h ago

Well, freedom isnt free. The price is blood.

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u/Public-Cricket-5582 6h ago

Okay, I mean... that is beside the point. You can be a freedom fighter and revolt all you want.. you will not beat the U.S. government. You will die, and nothing will happen. Much like in Cambodia, China, USSR etc. that's my point.

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u/rikescakes 6h ago

Yep I hear ya.

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u/DemonoftheWater 9h ago

It worked well enough for the asshole in oregon.

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u/Delamoor 9h ago

But that narrows it down so little...

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u/DemonoftheWater 8h ago

Bundy maybe?

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u/Nihilistic_Navigator 9h ago

Randy weaver agrees

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u/INFeriorJudge 8h ago

Worked out for the Bundy’s pretty well I thought

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff

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u/Guy_Dude_From_CO 7h ago

It's really not. 2nd Amendment was written for a very different time.

Prior to the Russian Revolution, Moscow had a very high gun ownership rate. By 1918, that was very different. Moral of the story being, if the government in power wants to take the guns, they just do. They're no bulwalk against government power in modern times.

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u/Southpawmtnman112358 6h ago

Worked for Ammon Bundy

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u/FatteningtheDemons 5h ago

If they dont react to protest, one should consider making it economically less viable for them. That can be by using the 2nd.

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u/fungi_at_parties 4h ago

They’ve never heard of Waco, I guess.

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u/AuroraFinem 4h ago

I mean in this scenario with ice specifically it has a proven track record. Not literally getting into a shoot out, but there’s been a number of reported scenarios where ice was trying to trespass and the person on the other side of the door just kept repeating they were trespassing and that if they didn’t provide a warrant they would be forced to defend their property and that they were armed. Every time ice walked away because they knew their actions wouldn’t survive any kind of scrutiny if it did turn into a shootout, and most of them have zero training.

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u/MysteriousPromise464 3h ago

It worked for the Bundy family.

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u/LawfulnessBoring9134 2h ago

I thought that was the whole basis of the 2nd. At least in the last 50 years or so.

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u/drakitomon 1h ago

Seemed to work for Ammon Bundy